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Dark Java Dude 64
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2015 06:40
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K guys I CANNOT lose this opportunity to claim payj
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2015 09:51
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Wow, thanks dude. Thanks for crashing my tabs for me. Just as well I had no unsaved work :/


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Yeah man, similar here, I didn't realize what was going on and kept trying to reload the page. After finally realizing I thought haha very funny you git, so closed the forum tab to continue with a film on another tab, barely a second went by and chrome crash message appears for a split moment, the film sound goes all funny in a sort of echo like loop followed by a BSOD. On a different note good catch on mentioning vertex/index buffer, forgot to mention that part!
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2015 13:23 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2015 13:46
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It only crashed one tab here. I thought every tab was its own process so it should be impossible to crash everything.

[EDIT] Someone made a game out of it:
http://linkofdeath.com/

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Yeah, it only crashes the one tab. Someone is just being moany.

Will the posting comp end when the transfer to the new forum happens?
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2015 18:00
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Same here; Chrome is designed so that only the tab that breaks will crash, and it won't bring others down with it.
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2015 18:09
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Yet that didn't happen as it was designed to for at least 2 people, clearly on account that designs always work as intended without a shadow of a doubt..
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2015 18:56 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2015 21:11
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Only kernel-level software (ie. drivers) can cause a BSOD, so your story doesn't add up.
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2015 18:59 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2015 19:00
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[edit] double post, sorry
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2015 19:48 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2015 19:52
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If you guys keep posting that crash-link I'm seriously going to report your posts.

Incidentally, crash-points for me!

EDIT: Don't hover over that huge image that Seditious posted as it has the %%30%30 bug hidden in it. Please edit your post!


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Posted: 22nd Sep 2015 19:57
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Seditious!

I'll have to start posting fake code snippets with the crash link now. Actually no, that will get me banned again.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2015 20:46 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2015 20:49
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Who was telling a story? I merely told the events as I witnessed them. Last I checked stories were meant for the purpose of entertainment so perhaps the ones you have been reading are not that entertaining I would like to assure you I am not telling porkies here, to what end would this benefit me or anyone else?
I won't pretend to know the ins and outs of what went on, although I will say that I was under the impression that memory leaks can cause BSOD's, ie when memory lost to a leak is tried to be accessed, as well as that Chrome has been known to have memory leaks, am I wrong about this "fact"? Perhaps this is what has happened and was only hastened by the fact I had multiple tabs open - one of which had a fully buffered film on I was watching. I have not had a BSOD in a long time, my system has been stable with no issues and I haven't had any since this particular one. About the only thing I can remember is that the BSOD did make mention of page file sys or something to that effect at the beginning, I didn't read it all, although an agnostic I found myself praying that it would reboot and be fine once again, which appears to be the case so far. Perhaps this is a very different problem to getting a second tab actually showing the same crash message achieved in TheComets link(but yes I definately saw the tab with the film on change from what it was to the crash message).
I did find some mild humor in the link as I repeatedly fell for it when it was first posted as I tend to use the mouse pointer like it was a requirement to point at what I read, but repeat posts serves only to annoy folk, especially with big pictures - at least the way TheComet did it there was minimal chance of not getting the crash once I realized what was happening, this kind of thing does become tedious very quickly... Thanks Yodaman Jer for the heads up.
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2015 20:48 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2015 20:50
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Unless there is some issue in the OS or one of the drivers which for some reason allows a regular program to modify memory belonging to them.

And I would also assume chrome using a bunch of memory could fill up the memory completely and make the OS or drivers unable to allocate more memory when needed. (I have no idea how memory is handled by the OS in a case where you run out of it completely)

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2015 21:12 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2015 21:38
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Edited out since I don't want to be the cause of anyone losing their work. Work that they should be doing rather than browsing this thread.

Quote: "(I have no idea how memory is handled by the OS in a case where you run out of it completely)"


Page file (not to be confused with points file). I think if the page file is disabled it deallocates memory previously allocated based on certain factors, and restores it when necessary (or isn't that precisely how the page file works?). No idea.
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2015 21:19
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Whatever happens in that case, I'm sure Windows doesn't just decide to call it a day because it can't give a program more memory than it's asking for.
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2015 21:43
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Attachments to be lost for a short period of time....... good thing I link everything

Hmm I should get the repository updated asap... it is my most visited site lol

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2015 22:01
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True, if a program is requesting more memory which can't be given, im sure the program will have to deal with that. But what if the OS has allocated all memory to programs and has used all of the memory it had allocated for itself. If it needs more memory, it can't allocate any more because it has already been used up, it (probably) can't just deallocate a bunch of program memory.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2015 22:05 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2015 22:08
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According to some sources I just read on google it may cause Windows to crash if it runs out of memory and there's no page file (or it's full), but I'm not sure if that's definite behaviour. I guess really there's limited options for what it can do.
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here, take them

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Take What? >.<

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2015 22:53
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your points

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The first person to start the Posting Competition on the new forums should get 50k points

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What do you mean? This thread isn't going to be deleted or anything, the server is just relocating.

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I thought I have read somewhere all threads are going to be locked and can only be found using the Search.

I will have to go re-read the forum changes thread and see.

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So this is where I was confused I guess...I must of read it that day as all the old threads will be locked and still be searchable.

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Posted: 23rd Sep 2015 09:41 Edited at: 23rd Sep 2015 09:46
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No. They recently changed it so if you open a link from one tab in a new tab, the new tab is a child of the previous tab. I think that's how it works - don't really know, just seems to be the case. Either way it saves on ram without severely compromising stability. Just press shift+tab in Chrome to open its task manager thing and you can see which tabs are running in the same process.

Quote: "Only kernel-level software (ie. drivers) can cause a BSOD, so your story doesn't add up."


Yeah but if a driver has a bug or slight incompatibility with the system, crashing a normal user program (Chrome, for instance) could cause the driver to crash and cause a BSOD. It's perfectly possible and in fact a normal occurrence. Have you never had a game cause a BSOD before?

Quote: "(I have no idea how memory is handled by the OS in a case where you run out of it completely)"


If you run out completely or the page file can't keep up (if it's on an old, slow HDD for instance), programs crash, task manager won't open properly (like some parts of the gui load and some don't - very weird), graphical elements corrupt, and Windows crashes. I've done it many a time by forgetting I have 70-80 Chrome tabs open and then launching GTA V (with only 8GB ram)

Also it makes your hard drive go flat out trying to keep up

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Yea, I have done it on linux atleast once by having a bunch of stuff open and then launching Kerbal space program. Linux doesn't crash completely though, I think it just kills the X server which effectivley logs you out.

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IIRC Windows BSODs when one of the drivers (probably the graphics driver) fails to allocate memory. That's the disadvantage of such a tightly integrated system.

Thankfully Windows gets better with every version. I know that Windows 7 (and probably Vista as well, but I don't know) can sometimes recover from a graphics driver crash. Just occasionally I'll be browsing and suddenly my screen will go black, then come back on and a balloon notification will tell me Windows recovered from a graphics driver crash. Pretty cool given previous versions of Windows would BSOD without exception if any driver even so much as flinched.

Incidentally mum bought a cheap laptop from someone in town for $250. It's worth more than that, so it's faster than her old 2012 model Samsung laptop (forget which model number). I convinced her to replace the 400GB HDD with a 120GB SSD and upgrade to Windows 10 (from Windows 8) and she's very happy with how snappy it is. Anyway, when she got that laptop I took her old one and also put an SSD in it (same model, just cheap Sandisk 120GB SSDs - we back up all our computers regularly) and also upgraded to Windows 10. Surprisingly, so far it's really, really good. Once it's a bit more stable and better-supported (in a few months' time) I'll be upgrading my main PC to Windows 10.

So yeah, I like Windows 10. Way, way better than Windows 8, and in time could be the best OS ever made - but not just yet.


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I'm getting some graphics driver crashes under Win10, like you said it can just recover from them though, and it doesn't seem to happen while gaming.
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so they extended a road near my house, they put in a round-about. i feel more European already!

it's maybe the third round about I've ever actually driven through.

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You forgot points

I mean forgot to point at the roundabout

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it's maybe the third round about I've ever actually driven through.
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I drive through 8 roundabouts on my 15 minute drive from home to university every day. I think there are over 40 of them in the town where I live

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I really don't understand why people hate roundabouts so much, they're actually MUCH safer than intersections, and a lot more intelligently designed.

A few years ago we had two put in our town, much to the chagrin of the town's residents (including both of my parents). But my sister, brother and myself do not find them bad at all - in fact now we hate intersections with a passion since everyone insists on changing lanes at them and trying to tbone cars going the other way

Plus roundabouts just *look* cooler. I like circles.


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Simple Roundabouts are OK, it is when they blend them into various things that it turns into a nightmare...

Here is one example...

53.472057, -2.257662

And just down the road from it a larger monstrosity...

53.463534, -2.283109

To fully understand why that second one is a nightmare, see if you can get into street view or look at the floor markings from the air...

And just around the corner if you want to hurt your head lol

53.472558, -2.236071

I live not too far from there...



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Ah ha, yes I can see how that would be quite the challenge to navigate!

I think that is misusing the idea of roundabouts and actually making it more complicated than it needs to be. Funny how when we try to simplify things we end up overcomplicating them in the process.


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it's maybe the third round about I've ever actually driven through."


That's so weird! Even big cities in Australia are full of roundabouts! You can't learn to drive without going through a roundabout within the first week.

This is Glen Innes, a town 45 minutes from where I live and it's where I work:

-29.737030, 151.735973

I count 7 roundabouts.

Incidentally this is where I work:

-29.728471, 151.741155

If you go streetview the names are mostly blurred out by Google's automatic face-and-numberplate-blurring software, but it's called PhotoCreate. Those coords are actually the exact spot I park every morning


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Roundabouts are dandy, except for when they have a giant, very tall island built up in the center of them. I have no idea why they put those there in some of them -- it makes it impossible to see all but one third or so of the roundabout.

The Zoq2, did I tell you those images of your 3D printed keyboard looked sweet? I don't think I did; must have forgotten! But they do look pretty neat.
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Anyone else think the text in my sig picture looks like mint flavoured icecream, or maybe mint chocolate? Am I just hungry maybe?


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I think you did, but thanks again

Quote: "I really don't understand why people hate roundabouts so much, they're actually MUCH safer than intersections, and a lot more intelligently designed."


I totally agree, I thought it was a bit hard at first but once you get used to it, they are really nice. You only have to look left (or right if you drive on the wrong side on the road) when you enter it and as long as you go in the first or second exit you don't even have to cross any lane.

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What, and go counter-clockwise around the roundabout? Ridiculous.
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Just four days to go for the new forums, then I can restart work on my forum browser and release it but maybe I will wait until November so I can fully utilise the Windows 10 User Interface elements... the current one is for Windows 8.1 so will likely redo everything from scratch...

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Why wait until october, is the API not released yet or something like that?

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I use books and the one I am needing is not out until November

I do not have time to scour for partial data

EDIT

Woah... perhaps I should just work on a rudimentary version... the book I was looking at has been pushed back to June 2016 LOL

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Quote: "(or right if you drive on the wrong side on the road)"


Quote: "What, and go counter-clockwise around the roundabout? Ridiculous."


?? We go clockwise around roundabouts and we look to the right.

Quote: "and as long as you go in the first or second exit you don't even have to cross any lane."


What difference does it make? Once you're on the roundabout, everyone gives way to you. You can cross as many lanes as you like and you only have to glance at the other cars to make sure they're not about the randomly pull out in front of you.

Roundabouts are super easy to use (even the gigantic, multilane ones) and I don't know why anyone wouldn't love them.


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Quote: "So yeah, I like Windows 10. Way, way better than Windows 8, and in time could be the best OS ever made - but not just yet."


I just spent the whole day removing windows 10...I did a clean install of Windows 8.1.

I always track my Network Data because im on limited bandwidth from month to month.

I caught windows 10 uploading data and I wasn't having any part of it. If it was a few Mb here or there it wouldn't be a problem but it was 150-250Mb of what ever they were after!

My Anti-Virus is always set to Stealth Mode...Meaning only programs can access the internet if it asks my permission first This happens every time a new connection for any program is started...So if something was happening with out asking my permission something fishy is going on

Could of been many things...
It could just be me being paranoid...but idk...

But I do know now...Im safe from what ever was going on

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Weird, Chrome and Skype just crashed and when I checked task manager it said something like 98% of memory was being used. The highest consumption was reported as Foxit Reader, with 70MB being listed. Yet when I went into resource manager it showed in fact 700,000KB which is quite a significant amount of memory considering my system limit (3.5GB).
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Posted: 25th Sep 2015 06:23 Edited at: 25th Sep 2015 06:24
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Seditious, 32bit, really? >Dies...

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Or did you mean 3.5Gb RAM?

>Dies...

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Posted: 25th Sep 2015 07:06 Edited at: 25th Sep 2015 07:06
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Well actually I am running on 7 64-bit now, so I should have the full 4GB available. But yeah... can't install any more memory on this dinosaur. Not that I really need to; I never do any video editing or anything like that.
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Posted: 25th Sep 2015 07:13
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TBH 8GB is a standard now, even retail desktops come with 8GB and as too do Laptops, budget systems come with 4GB/6GB [Why 6 beats me lol]

And if you build a new rig, it is even cheaper if you already have a licence for Windows... retail licence that is... I have a few I still have a spare Win7ultimate for sale... but might make use of it eventually...

Just because you don't use video or photo editors, does not mean you will not benefit from more RAM, consider when you use Chrome to open tabs

Also next years retail desktops and tablet/laptop computers are teasing 16-24-32GB RAM as standard, if that actually happens I will surely buy a Surface Pro 5 Pro 4 is coming at a poor time, but if they managed to get the most recent gen Intel CPU in them... I will still wait for the 5th gen model as my Pro 2 is still working like new! almost 2 years in!

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Posted: 25th Sep 2015 08:19
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Phew! ~4,650 posts and a little over a year ago, this thread came near its death when the mods almost locked it. It lives on! I shall therehence deem it a sturdy thread. (lol wut)
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