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Eric T
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Posted: 9th Jul 2003 11:22 Edited at: 9th Jul 2003 11:31
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Hello all,
Me and grim have decided to start the battle of the game composers, this will include anyone who enters here, and over a RGT(we have a topic there). Any one who would like to enter, reply to this topic, and start gettin your peice togethter.

We will also need 3-5 judges, judges can't be in the comp, but thats just obvious. we'll probably take 2 judges from here, and 2 form RGT(on a first come first serve basis).

Yusuke...

BTW this contest is for fun and to get your music heard

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cool i wanna be a judge

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Eric T
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Posted: 9th Jul 2003 12:02
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1 judge entry!!! woohoo, in less then an hour none the less. now we need musician entrys.

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I've got some music on my web site - have a listen to all of those...

Good news everyone! I really am THAT good...
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I can judge

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Eric T
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Posted: 9th Jul 2003 16:20
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two many damn judges, we need participants.

Q's for raven and exeat, You have any musical knowldge what so ever(dosen't mean you gotta be a music expert, or know how to make it, just that you know what half decent game music sounds like)?

Yusuke

BTW i'm participating just incase you wanted to know if i was judging or not, so because i'm a participant i cna't judge, same for grim

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cusoi
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I want to participate(is this written correctly?)!

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Shadow Robert
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well i like to think i know good music
really a matter of opinion and such, but still i knows what i likes.

which reminds me... i'm gonna pop-in the TR OST again (^_^)

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well, by knowledge in music we mean that you will judge by the quality of the song itself and not just according to which style you personally prefer. A good judge will know the advantages of any style, be it orchestral, techno, etc.

Basically we just want the judges to be as un-biased as possible.

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Shadow Robert
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(^_^) lol ... well i thought that was kinda obvious
as long as its not some new age hippie tantra like music or bad porn music or beatles (sorry peeps but i just hate that 60s poop) then i'll be able to listen to it and judge it.

you see my collection its just extremely exclectic.
i'm guessing that i won't be having to judge anything like that especially not as its "game" music

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yea thats cool. I doubt you will hafta worry about running into that style of a song, unless someone is making a 60's porn game hahaha

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probably the best kind

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Can I start now, with the song?

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yea you can start whenever you like. We will give a deadline whenever we have more participants.

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If you need more judges, ring me a bell. I practically listen to video game music all the time even when I'm not playing video games - lol.

I'm not a favoritist of any style - just what sounds good. My music interests range from Beethoven to Rock and Roll. I've also limited piano talent.

I think I see people saying this today:
AHHH! Too many judges!!!

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Ok, here is who we have so far:

Judges:

Pincho
Fog
Teemu Puurunen
Raven
Exeat
CrayZemon

Participants:

Myself
Yusuke200013
Hidden Angel
RTSpider
Gryvix
MrTAToad(i think?)


good start but we need more!

Also, Judge spots are now full.


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Posted: 9th Jul 2003 21:13
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I guess I should go ahead and state how the judging will work.

After you recieve each song, you will need to listen to it entirely. You should really pay good attention to it. Listen to how well the song is structured, how well it flows from one part to another, how good it begins and ends, etc.

Here is how the scoring will work. You will give each factor of the song a score of 1 - 10. Factors are as follows:

Sound Quality
Overall Mixing
Song Structure
Flow
Variation

After you give your scores, you should write a brief summary of your thoughts on the song. List what you liked, what you thought could be improved, etc.

When all the songs are judged, we will total up each song's overall score and determine the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place winners.


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I'd be worried about the quality of some guy that says "I listen to and know good music, pick me." There's a huge difference when you're listening to digitally composed music than what a band records at 1152kbps. Personally I've been writing digital music for three years, MP3, Wav and MIDI music in many different styles. I've scored a computer game, I've scored a movie, and my work has gotten me enough fame to do the soundtrack for 2 more movies and several individual projects. I'd enter if there weren't so much already on my plate.

I suppose I could judge, on AcidPlanet people specefically request me because I write the most detailed and thorough reviews of songs, I know what to listen for when listening to a homemade song, levels, sampling, loops, I've trained myself to pick up on these things. I'm just worried, from experience, that there's so much to look for in a homemade song that most reviews end up "that was ok, I liked this part and when you did this in that place," and not in depth at all.

I just don't want the task of judging to be underestimated by guys who say "i'm listening to music now. I like music. I know good music. I can judge." I'd prefer quality digital composers to judge.

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Well, 3 of the judges(Pincho, Fog, and Teemu) i know pretty well, and i trust their judgements as they know what they are talking about. Haven't really talked to the other 3 so i cant really comment on them...


Also, a note to the composers: Please include with the song a brief explanation of what kind of game the song would be for, so that the judges have a better understanding of what you are trying to express in the song.

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@ QuothTheRaven

You have a point. Except there may be few, if any, like yourself on the board.

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Posted: 10th Jul 2003 05:14 Edited at: 10th Jul 2003 05:15
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I wouldn't exactly say I'm just some guy who listens to music. I've actually done quite a lot of MIDI composing although I'm not terribly good which is why I'm not participating and are entering instead. Believe me when I say I'm not going to give any shallow reviews for the piece, I've had to do it before when reviewing music for my own game and trying to explain how to make the music better to a composer is not an easy task where you can just say "This bit is bad".

Edit: Should also mention I'm not a music genious and I can't say I know everything about it but I do have a more then general idea for what works and what doesn't.

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I'm agree wholeheartedly with Exeat. However, like I said, I currently hold no expertise in musical playing like I did in the past.

On the other hand, I'm a very reflective kind of guy who has some background in writing and English skills, and can express myself with utmost quality - including my feelings.

Not to worry, if there is a person, like QuothTheRaven, who is definately more qualified than me, so be it. However, if there is a hole in judging that needs filling, I'll be the filler. If I do fill-in, you can be certain that you won't recieve any dry, non-descriptive reviews.

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Eric T
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Oh i'd like to add, that song must be in a majorly known format (I.E Mp3 Wav mid...) nothin too foriegn.

and i'm glad to see a half decent turnout!!

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yeah well i ain't installing WinAmp just to play these songs lol
so wav/mp3/wma/mid is probably about you've got available (^_^)

nothing against WinAmp, but it just doesn't sound as nice as running a track through MediaPlayer Series9

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wiin amp, i use sound forge 6, i'll give it to ya for a few hundred.(actually its only 100, but still, you can edit the songs, plays alot of formats).

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I actually use Sonique... it looks so sexy

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lol... i don't wanna tinker with my sounds, i just want them to play well on my MPS9 i have Dobly Surround Theatre 8.1 w/SRS Professional (all came free with my sound system) sounds a treat to me

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Yeah, Generally digitally composed MIDI's played on Winamp sound horrible compared to what they would played from DirectMusic or some other alternative. For some reason Winamp plays a low-quality version or rather isn't able to play it properly.

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Count me down as a possible entrant. Just need to figure out how to record without creating a massive feedback loop.

PS if anyone has any hints on how to connect a Korg 05R/W using the To/Host thingy to a win2k machine without freezing the machine it'd be appreciated.

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o_O I'll judge...

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Just an update

Participants:

Myself
Yusuke200013
Hidden Angel
RTSpider
Gryvix
MrTAToad
Karlos
RDBond(possibly)
Barzoule


1 or 2 more and we will start the clock.

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The countdown has begun!

i have moved the time back to 1 week seeing as 2 weeks is just...well...not a challenge lol. So next wednesday is when the writing time ends and the judging begins.

Good Luck!

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we now have 2 songs entered(both by the same person)

Judges: I will email you with the links and info

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Cool, my email's Exeat@Designex.net (can't remember if the forum shows it) lol.

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You can download my music from my web site - it's the easiest way of listening to it...

Good news everyone! I really am THAT good...
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oki i've got those first two through email downloading now

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Let me know if you want mine e-mailed to you.


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we have 2 more entered now


oh and Judges: Whenever you have your reviews written for each piece, just email them to me at AaronGRC@hotmail.com ...After the competition is over I will post the results and reviews on my site and the forums.

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hey just outta interest what is the scoring system?
0-10 ... based on the merits of the track i'd gather

but if there is a definitive way would be nice to know before i get too into these tracks hehee

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heh, already mentioned this but incase anyone misses it:

Here is how the scoring will work. You will give each factor of the song a score of 1 - 10. Factors are as follows:

Sound Quality
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Song Structure
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Variation

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Damn, just read this post. I wanted to be a judge (and I want my damn spacebar to work).

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damn, does it have to be MP3?

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And which of you lucky judges have listened to all my music ?


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Me

But only quickly so I'll have to relisten several times and write up a lengthy review tommorrow when/if I have time.

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If you wish to e-mail me, if I'm still judging, my e-mail is dojowiz@juno.com . Thanks in advance...

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petrat: No it can be .mid if you like

CrayZemon: Thanks i'll email you the links to all the entries so far

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nah dont worry anyway..

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2 more entries. One is by RDBond and the other is by BADSNAKE...

Check the 3rd and 4th pages of the post on RGT to download them.

http://www.realgametools.net/forums/index.php?board=22;action=display;threadid=16662;start=40

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I must apologize in advance, my computer is being repaired and my juno account can only work on windows. The only way I'm posting right now is because I'm using my sister's bloody macintosh .

Therefore, I won't be able to judge the entries until some time later... Hopefully within the next three days.

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CrayZemon: No problem


Everyone else: The deadline has been pushed back to Friday due to some of the participants messaging me in need of a little more time to get their tracks done...Also, the deadline of a major project im composing for just got knocked down to thursday, so i have until then to get 2 songs done for it. So we are pushing it back just to make sure we recieve everyones entry and make the whole contest worth while



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