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Yian
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Personally I think the only Harry Potter book worth buying is the latest one, but I wanna say to HP haters that it's not what you write it's HOW you write it. Get that in your heads, and read at least 100 books, and then try and critisize...
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Posted: 13th Jul 2003 23:13
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is that book for little kids or what?
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yuk!get out and take that avatar with you!

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i prefer the movies (special FX fanboy ), so yeah luved the story
Bought for my bro & sis too since they enjoy it

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I like the Harry Potter books, and I must say, the characters are far more interesting than in many adult books I have read. One that particularly struck me was Dolores Umbridge in Book 5, who makes Anne Robinson look about as threatening as a teletubby.


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i read hp 5 in a less then a week, and still coded in that week!!!

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Quote: "i read hp 5 in a less then a week"


Took me a day to read (about 10 hours, maybe a bit more) - I didn't get any coding in on the aforementioned day though.


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jeez!!!

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Yian
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I needed 3 days...I read about 100 pages an hour so total must've needed me about 8 hours....(non-stop )

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Posted: 14th Jul 2003 00:33
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the only book i read is the DBP refrence manual, over and over(that and a few of my c++ books)

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Posted: 14th Jul 2003 01:34 Edited at: 14th Jul 2003 01:39
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dawm I wait for HP-5 to come out on type so can`t say any thing yet.

i lvu the frist 4 but there are better kids book read buy sad 23 year olds.has any one read the northern lights by philip pullman or artemis fowl by eoin colfer.there a lot better then Harry Potter

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artemis fowl is definitly not as good as hp.

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Posted: 14th Jul 2003 01:44
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oh i will also read the art of war, gotta read that

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Posted: 14th Jul 2003 01:51 Edited at: 14th Jul 2003 01:51
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yusuke200013: Did`t thay make you read books at skool?

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Artemis Fowl is good, but it isn't as good as HP. The imagination is there, the concept is great, just the characters aren't as memorable.


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exactly! Since when is the main character of a children's book a bad guy?

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well it may be the one of the frist time in a children's book that the main character bad guy? but is that a bay thing?

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@mattman

Nothing wrong with that - I like a change. You missed my point.


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I like the Harry Potter books. Very imaginitive, much deeper than many people give them credit for. It's good to know that kids are actually reading something worthwhile.

I also like the Artemis Fowl books myself, although I haven't read the 3rd yes. But yes, they aren't as memorible, and the narrative and writing style is more simplistic (which I'm sure is because the books are aimed at children, and I wish he wouldn't write like that).

I also enjoyed Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials quite a bit, and although I'm sure many people will argue the books are not suitable for children, that was who the author aimed them at.

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By the way, I think those of you who have read it will agree that they'll have a hell of a time trying to cram the 5th book into a movie . They might split it into 2...

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"i lvu the frist 4 but there are better kids book read buy sad 23 year olds.has any one read the northern lights by philip pullman or artemis fowl by eoin colfer.there a lot better then Harry Potter"

I have read all the HP books and the Philip Pulman books (Northern Lights, The Subtle Knife, Amber Spyglass) and I would not really compare the two. HP is more "fantastical" and yes, more child orientated. But an awesome read all the same. The Pulman books are far far darker in their outlook and as far as I was concerned a lot more heart-tugging too. Seriously tragic endings, but beautifully written. I would recommend any of them to child or adult alike (or "sad 23 year olds" whatever they may be).

Another absolute favorite is Coraline by Neil Gaiman, but then anything he does is a work of genius (Sandman, say no more).

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Neil Gaiman - i prefer his Batman works, a classic

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Ok I was going to write several pages on why harry potter is so bad. But I have to say they are quite readable.

And yes it is most definitely a childrens book. Quite honestly I cannot see why it has caught on so much with older people. It is written in a childish manner and has the plot and intrigue which sounds like it was written by a decrepit tortiose turned on it's back to roast in the sun. Ok maybe not that bad, but I didn't feel at all imersed as I am with most other books.

I find no fascination with the books. They completely contradict my views and opinions. But they're just my opinions I know, and they cannot change anyone.

She has however managed to get some kind of story that seems to apeal to both children and the odd olde folk who seem to be able to stand it.

I'll give J.K.Rowling her due, she has been utterly successful with something which shouldn't have made it as far as it did.

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sure its just opinion? .. not envy?

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Any book about kids doing pot is good

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If you just see the HP film you miss an awful lot. There are many, many character building moments and comic bits in the books which just cannot be put into films.

Take this phrase for example: "Snape looked as if Christmas had been cancelled.", it's pretty funny, but just doesn't translate to the big screen.

His Dark Materials triology was good, but again, I just didn't feel that the character development was as good. Mrs Coulter didn't seem as evil as she ought to have been for example.


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and the games suck (another cash in on title job )

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No it's not envy. Should I really be envious of it?

What for I ask? I have read them and I have not written anything myself that I consider to compete with it, simply because it is so different. It totally ruins the whole fantasy atmosphere (Apart from the more stereotypicial witches on broom sticks texts) (There that's an opinion).

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Oki, understandable

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heavy conversation, it's only harry potter

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Ok I apologise for the err post. I'll go away now and ... do ... something else.

HP just enrages me though :Þ

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I like the books, but I hate the films. There's no way anyone over the age of 10 could actually enjoy the films. As for interesting characters, Umbridge is just like this new evil deputy head we've got at our school. She's taking away all our sixth year privileges!

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I think part of the reason it is seen as a childrens book (therefore a lot of the narrative is in a childish manner) is because adults can't believe in magic like children can. Once you actually get past the "this is a load of crap that could never happpen" part the books are actually quite good for an adult to read. And in what way could they disagree with your views and opinions? All I can see in there is your typical good vs evil stuff.

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Solidz = age above 10

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The movies were okay. I enjoyed the knowledge that they were far better than they could have been. Really, there is absolutely no way to translate those books to the big screen within the time frames we're looking at.

His Dark Materials may be another matter. I think Warner is making them, if they make 3 long films it might be possible to translate those well. You haven't got such an arching plot, such a wide array of characters, and heck, so many words...

Rich, I'll look into that author you mentioned last, I've never heard of him before. I'm currently devoid of good things to read, so.....

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Quote: "northern lights by philip pullman"

I have and it as well as the other 2 in the series are much better then what little I read of Harry Potter simply because it's aimed at an older audience. The wording and the way it's written is a lot more 'mature' and interesting then how Harry Potter is written.

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I love the HP books... =\ if you guys get the chance I would suggest the Ender Series (Enders Game, Speaker For the Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind...) (a few are kinda boreing though...) and the Bean series (Enders Shadow, Shadow of the Hegemon, Shadow Puppets)... (I loved this series... its actaully part of the Ender one but Enders dead... Bean is the main character... so I guess is Bean completely... AND... The Sword of Truth Series... (Wizards First Rule, Stone of Tears, Blood of the Fold, Temple of the Winds, Soul of Fire, Faith of the Fallen, and The Pillars of Creation so far...) =\... another good series would be the Man of Mars... I don't remember the book titles but I do know that most of them are out of print... kind of rare... its about a guy who somehow gets on mars... and there are martians there... except hes extremely strong because of the decreased gravity... great stuff... by Edgar Rice Burroughs... same guy who wrote Tarzzan (sp?)... ^_^ I'd say those are my all time favorites... =\ the Mech Warrior books are ok too...

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@Dr.O (a question pointed at me a while back) Yeah i read for school, but i do reports on the DBP refrence manual if thgat counts as reading.

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I never read HP, i got all the books, well they are on the shelf. I have seen the films, and they are not too impressive.

I am a good film critic. I have managed 138 films in the last 2 years, all rentals.

So am i allowed to critic

Talking of films, i got 10 more films to get in the next 6 weeks. Thank God for no school.

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I got the 5th HP book throuth amazon the day it came out. At a pool near my house the lifeguard told us she is so obbsesed with harry potter she stood at the store from 12:00 all night waiting for it.....creepy.

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and what's with the 'Adult Version' of the books, only difference is the front cover and that aint exactly 18+ ???

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it so dum ppl can`t tell your reading a kid`s book evens so it says Harry Potter in big letters on the front.

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lol, and why make it so big too, looks like an epic but the font is just really big :p

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Only seen the movies. Which were alright. Interestingly, my mate's sister was an extra in the movie. And Harry Potter's house (well his uncles) is actually up the road somewhere from me (same town). And the school is somewhere around here too apparently. Not quite sure why they used our town (Bracknell) as it is just a modern town (built up from a village for commuting into London in the 60's), with not that much in it (compared with Reading or - more obviously - London itself).

How are the books then? I've always been a big fantasy reader, esp. with LOTR and Terry Pratchett. I sort of thought they would be written in a "Lion, the witch, and the wardrobe" kind of way, which I loved when I was a kid (read the series, is great), but I don't know now...

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anyone read Lone Wolf? (the choose your own adventure type series)

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Yeah, years ago. Used to have loads of adventure books. The Lone Wolf series was pretty good story wise if I remember rightly. Favourite was the orange spin offs from fighting fantasy by Steve Jackson. Is in my other room and I can't be bothered getting out of bed.

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Someone mentioned The Golden Compass...
That series was the best. So was the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy.

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Hitchhiker's Guide was good up to Life, the Universe, and Everything-- about 2 pages into that, it just lost its charm. Still, the first books were good...

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Hitchhiker was the best. Too bad he's dead now. The robot destroying the bridge was great

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I love Harry Potter, currently reading book 3, so please don't spoit it!

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