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MikeS
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Yea, I know dbp can use shaders, just didn't really konw which ones. Anyways, I'm still a novice to using shaders in my games, so I have lots to learn.



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Posted: 28th Jul 2003 04:33
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So shaders are basicaly like little effects?

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Yawn. Yes.


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lol... that is one use for them.
Shaders are essentially a way to access the GPU directly, and some of the more advanced GPUs have builtin effects for graphics - but in general you can do close to anything you like really.

recently in the nVidia developer forum we got the pleasure of seeing Snake which ran nearly 100% off the GPU ... with the exception of controls. But still it was pretty impressive to see how people have adapted the possible uses of the GPU.

at SIGGRAPH this year there's going to be a presentation on the total uses for GPUs - including the new Karma inspired Dynamics Shaders which will allow for physics calculations with the vertex directly in the memory of the graphics card.
now with the GeForceFX 5900 you can actually do so much of your games as part of the shader engine.

all the effects (*.FX), are Microsofts HLSL language which is essencially a C front to programming Shaders - or Fragmented Program Strucutures. Though without understand what shaders do won't help you no matter how the language structure is setup.

i'm still going to await some ACTUAL shaders from the rest of the community ... not doubt we'll see alot of shader theivery from places like CgShader.org or the DirectX and NVSDK's and wondering why they don't work out of the box (so to speak)
after my full explaination of them for Oyaaaa i would've thought atleast one person would've been able to make one by now.

bet most have waited for .fx as if its some miricle solution.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2003 16:03 Edited at: 28th Jul 2003 16:05
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Quote: "i'm still going to await some ACTUAL shaders from the rest of the community"


Maybe you could start the ball rolling by posting some (working - with DBP source code + media) yourself A link to the post containing your full explanation would be useful as well.

The problem with shaders is that to create your own, you need to learn a lot in order to achieve a little.

The advantage of Upgrade 5 is that many FX shaders can now be applied straight away with one command (although the shader may have to be modified first).


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Posted: 28th Jul 2003 17:09
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So now that i know what they are, how are they made?

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Posted: 28th Jul 2003 17:17
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lol i'm way ahead of you Rob, as my new site includes a few tutorials in PureBASIC/DarkBASICPro/DirectX/OpenGL to getting shaders working.

but only really an overveiw of things, for simple shaders like Water & Reflections which are all over the net already really.
but the more complex ones i'll be retailing as code + example + bin

still can't figure out how much i should sell each one for, guess it should probably be on complexity ... simple Fur and such for like $5 then more complex ones like Global Illumination for $25
but i dunno, i'm still trying to figure out why my stupid javascript menu is only showing "JavaScript:void()" ... begining to bug me.

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*winces in pain at atrocious spelling and grammer in Raven's sig*

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Posted: 28th Jul 2003 19:09
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... look, incase you didn't know ... nVidia hold trademark to the saying "The Way Its Meant To Be Played"

until i get approval from them to have it in my signatures, you'll just have to put up with it

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@Raven

As long as you don't use "The Way Its Meant to be Played" as a trademark, you can use it in your sig.


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no, but its the whole assosiation thing ... the site has it up there - and i was suggested i changed both of them to what it is now until i can have an official "yeah it's oki" thing.

it's just they have people constantly scanning the net for breaches of the copyrights/trademarks and such - last thing i want is for legal action to be started by someone on behalf of nVidia, when it is likely they don't mind.

just a case of playing it safe. i've gotta register RavenStudio sometime this or next week - i've only got one person in this company right now though, which is annoying. Cause i need atleast 2 people.

Director & Secutary ... so i need someone willing to be a figurehead secutary.
not sure who i can ask, but whoever it is ends up with 50% control - so its gonna have to be someone i trust.

(i've only just been learning about all of this business side of things like the past week, brent used to handle all of this stuff )

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Posted: 28th Jul 2003 20:32 Edited at: 28th Jul 2003 20:38
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nVidia hold trademark to the saying "The Way Its Meant To Be Played"
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I hope not. Otherwise they should hire somebody who owns a grammar book.


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Director & Secutary ... so i need someone willing to be a figurehead secutary.
not sure who i can ask, but whoever it is ends up with 50% control - so its gonna have to be someone i trust.
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The company secretary doesn't automatically control or own part of the company.

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@Raven

Starting a company is H***, isn't it. So much legal stuff to do, and tons of secruity and liability stuff to worry about. I myself have been looking into starting a company, but as we all know, I'm too young to be an owner of a company. But, I have found some ways to get by this problem. I believe that I can have one of my parents sign in there name, as the official business owner, and then have me employeed. Then, technically, I can hold any position as high as, lets say Vice President of that company, whereas my parents won't have to really do anything. It's some complicated stuff, and some of the information I've provided may not be 100% accurate. So, I guess (I better find a good book somewhere.)

Anyways, a while back(a week or two ago), I provided this link in one of my posts.
http://www.technomagi.com/links/gamedev.html
I found it very helpful with some of the links about game development business.

Starting a company is a very ambitious thing, but so far I'd think you're in good shape. (though, what do I really know?)



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Posted: 28th Jul 2003 21:07
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Quote: "Director & Secutary ... so i need someone willing to be a figurehead secutary. "


You might want to correct the spelling before you advertise for staff. Poor spelling doesn't look very professional.


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Let me verify this--

nVidia owns the saying you want, so to get around it you use poor spelling?

I feel sick...

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empty i've been looking around, remember i'm still only a british citizen - so i've gotta have my company incorporated within the UK.

the law dictacts that any company incoportated must have atleast 2 members ... Director & Secutary, now i am allowed to take on one of these roles myself and i MUST have a third party for the other.

as part of a UK company you must have atleast 500shares valued at a mimimum of £1 each ... you then MUST give atleast 1 share to the Director and 1 Share to the Securtary.
Given them both 50% Control and Steak in the company.

if you don't think thats how it works then i'd suggest you do a little research mate because i've looked over around 30companies so far which incoporate companies (as you're no longer allowed to incorporate yourself, you must have a 3rd legally negate party) who all say that this is how it is done.

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as for actually starting the company, its not like i've not been part of a company like this before - just this time i'm actually involved in getting it all started and setup myself. It's not so much a big deal as you'd think, but is very good to understand what your liable for if the company goes under as well as what taxing rights and such you're in for.

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as for the spelling, we're hoping to have that cleared up by the end of the week ... but regardless of what the outcome of the permission or not, i'm not delaying my site simply on the basis that our current slogan clashs with nVidia's.

and for being sick for poor spelling to get around trademarks, you somehow thing i'm the first person to ever do this?
and not to be funny but "ment" is also within the dictionary and means something pretty similar ... it's kinda stupid that you kids actually somehow believe that anyone aside from you will care about the spelling.
i've known you guys haven't noticed before when other things have been spelt wrong gramatically and technically from other people. Infact oftently it's me who picks up on it - and a few of you probably would never have noticed if someone hadn't pointed it out.

i mean c'mon - just grow up, i'm not gonna even bother risking any bad bloody between myself and one of my partners. You can bitch about it being wrong and how it makes you feel all your want, but business is business - and it ain't changing until we have the greenlight to do so.

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I don't mean this in a smartassed, flame war sort of way . . . but . . .

There already is a Raven Software (I'm sure you're aware). As a TM issue, I'd be surprised if you can register this TM if they already have.

http://www.ravensoft.com/legal.html

Quote: "Raven Software Corporation:

Raven Software® and the Raven Logo® are registered trademarks of Raven Software Software, Inc."


The chance for even incidental confusion is pretty clear. Imagine typing in "Raven games" on Google.

BTW -- why employ a TM phrase (nVidia's) if it is not going to be legit?

Someone else beat ya to it, and it is now part of their identity.

If your TM is not uniquely and completely yours then it fails to serve its purpose -- affording instant recognition from customers. The most you have now is cognition problems on at least two fronts.

We're all still stuck with the old EA Sports slug -- "If it's in the game, it's in the game."

This meant as a constructive comment: you need to take that phrase back to the drawing board.

Whatever the case, it would be very constructive if you could let everyone know the outcome of these legal matters, and how you arrived at them (most likely, if you get to keep the Raven Studios name and slogan, it will be from gentlemanly agreements with the other companies).

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... but my new companies name is RavenStudio
because there is already a Raven Ltd. and Raven Studios Ltd.

although the Raven one is overdue in thier payments - i'm sure i could push for thier legalities to be hurried to get the name myself, don't see the point.
also note how the name is made - a single word RavenStudio not Raven Studio (this again makes alot of difference)

i don't remember saying anywhere that i'm registering as Raven Software.

ya know the companies actual logo is "Welcome To The Playground".
the idea with this current logo is to actually have the connection with GeForce technology, without actually plastering the technology logos all over the shop.
if someone sees a TWIMTBP logo, they think nVidia immediatly ... and i am after all heavily involved with them. However this way people see our slogan, they see the geforce one ... and hopefully after a while they'll be recognised as our titles which require GeForce Technology.

whereas those who have our "Welcome To the Playground!" logo will recognise it just have RavenStudio Technology

this is all completely amicable between all of us, we're just making sure everything is 100% legal before we proceed.

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empty i've been looking around, remember i'm still only a british citizen - so i've gotta have my company incorporated within the UK.
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No you don't have to. You can have it whereever you like.


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the law dictacts that any company incoportated must have atleast 2 members ... Director & Secutary, now i am allowed to take on one of these roles myself and i MUST have a third party for the other.

as part of a UK company you must have atleast 500shares valued at a mimimum of £1 each ... you then MUST give atleast 1 share to the Director and 1 Share to the Securtary.
Given them both 50% Control and Steak in the company.

if you don't think thats how it works then i'd suggest you do a little research...
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Man, I think it's better you use an agent to set up your company.

The issued share capital may be only 2 shares each at £1.
The shares can be held by only one person, like the director, secratary or someone else.

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empty i'm not going to bother going into the in/outs of all of this with you - because i doubt you'll listen. No one ever does.

quite simply put, if i applied for a business in the US then i would be turned down.
that aside the base shares for a Limited Company (Ltd.) or Limited Liability Company (LLc) is 500 base set at £1 each... and 2 shares much be allocated to start with.
1 for the Director and 1 for the Secutary ... giving 50% control.

if you don't believe me then just checkup on all the companies that will do this for you.
https://www.hanovercompanyservices.com/

those are the people i'm currently dealing with about my company.
but what is said on thier site is the same for ALL of the others... and even my soliciter has told me that this is how it all works.

feel free to sit there and tell me i'm wrong but half the bloody web and my soliciter says otherwise mate.

also i happen to have documentation from the US offices for the same thing, and they're pretty much the same. BOTH forms require you to give your original nationality and/or date of citizenship, if you don't have a valid citizenship you must have a valid perminant/working visa and have been in the country for more than 6months.
Although technically i do have all that, the British ones are actually alot cheaper. That and they're forms and such make sense to me.

the real difference between the two is that the US one doesn't seems to need a Base of Ops... the UK one needs you to have one in the country your registering for.
if in England/Wales then England/Wales, if in Scotland then in Scotland, if in ROI then in Ireland.

you can setup more than one base of ops. but you need atleast one address registered to the business within that country.
i was kinda making a decision about moving back to England just to not have to front 2 places ... but i wouldn't mind a citizenship in the states. As i'm gonna be setting a second BOOps here in LA then i might as well use it to my advantage

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Posted: 29th Jul 2003 17:33 Edited at: 29th Jul 2003 17:47
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quite simply put, if i applied for a business in the US then i would be turned down.
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That's entirely possible for whatever reasons (like crime records). But not because you're British.


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if you don't believe me then just checkup on all the companies that will do this for you.
https://www.hanovercompanyservices.com/
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LOL
Did you actually READ the information provided on this site?
Either you read it but didn't understand or you can't read.

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Quote: "That's entirely possible for whatever reasons (like crime records). But not because you're British."


i have NO criminal record, i've done military service (which actually improves prospects of things), my family has a military history (again improves my prospects when applying for things).

its not a case of just because i'm british... its a case that I AM NOT AMERICAN.
i could apply for one, and i probably would be accepted but to be guarenteed of it - i would be required to be a citizen OF that particular nation.

as for what the site says... i'd suggest you read it, and i mean READ not glance. Because what i'm telling you here isn't just what i've read and understood from all of this, its also from my solicitor AND what these guys who actually run this company have explained to me as well.

you somehow thing that if i'm going to be liable for a company which could possibly bankrupt me that i'm going to walk into this lightly without making 100% sure that i know exactly what the hell is going on?
i might jump into alot of things, but something like this is DAMN important and won't just affect me in the short term but could affect me for a very very long time if i do something wrong.
Like if i don't know what dates i have to post taxes, what tax group i'm in, what details need to be in the audit script, etc... I could end up with a criminal record or worse!

i have a perfect credit rating and a perfect clean criminal sheet, there is no way in hell i'm going to jepordise something like this with malinformation.

i'm sick and tired of your attitude. So simply SHUT UP for once in that pathetic lil life of yours and go bother someone else.
because i know and understand EXACTLY what i'm getting into here, what implications it has, what i have to do and what i've got to make sure i don't do and before i actually sign anything and pay, I'm checking over very possible contingency.

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Quote: "that aside the base shares for a Limited Company (Ltd.) or Limited Liability Company (LLc) is 500 base set at £1 each... and 2 shares much be allocated to start with.
1 for the Director and 1 for the Secutary ... giving 50% control."


Thats not true in the Uk, one person can own 100% of the shares.

I would advise you to see an accountant that has spent a fair bit of time working with small companies. They will know how the ins and outs of this sort of stuff as well as a lot of stuff a soliciter won't like how to pay for stuff late and keeping the bank manager happy which is vital to a small business. They will also help you keep on top of tax issues as you don't want to be on the wrong side of the inland revenue or pay anymore tax than you have to.
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as for what the site says... i'd suggest you read it, and i mean READ not glance. Because what i'm telling you here isn't just what i've read and understood from all of this, its also from my solicitor AND what these guys who actually run this company have explained to me as well.
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So that explains it: You didn't understand it.
A quote from the site you posted (this information can be verified on many other sites):
One person may incorporate a United Kingdom private limited company and become its only shareholder and director but please note that in addition to having a director the company must have a separate secretary. If no suitable person is available for this post we can provide a nominee secretary.


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i'm sick and tired of your attitude. So simply SHUT UP for once in that pathetic lil life of yours and go bother someone else.
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I don't like your attitude either.


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because i know and understand EXACTLY what i'm getting into here,
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Obviously you don't.

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Raven please calm down. Flaming won't get you anywhere.

I suggest you follow winch's advice and use an accountant with a good deal of experience in this field. Do the research and it will save you much time and stress.


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Back on the trademark issue (let's just belittle the incorporation issue, because it is not one if you are determined and prove capable of delivering on your goods on any sort oof scale!).

In the US, a trademark is infringed the minute it causes confusion. Since there are multiple Raven Studio Software, etc. companies out there, an infringement probably is occurring.

What caught me is that the USPTO database does not show a registrant for ANY of those variations.

Which brings us to what you can do: make sure no one else has registered the TM, then register it yourself. You may want to acquire a few US partners so you have legal standing to do this.

In US copyright, TM, patent, etc. laws almost always the first to officially register with the USPTO wins.

I would strongly suggest that when you get your logo and slogan in place (total agreement among your partners) you take the money and time and do a USPTO search and register it if you can.

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empty READ ON...

you MUST have a Director and a Secutary.
you MUST give the Director 1 Share AND the Securtary 1 Share.
(hense the 50% control stake to begin with, and if you do not deligate someone these guys nominate themselves and then hold a 50% stake in your company!)
you MAY ONLY be a Director OR a Secutary, you cannot be both. However you can choose to be neither.

Although the company would be signed and incorporated to whoever starts it and signs thier name ... without having a share they have no technical control. And although you can own ALL of the shares, you must purchase them FROM the other shareholders and have them change hands legally for the correct ammount.

seriously i have read this all, and it appears i understand it one hell of alot better than you.
if you don't like my attitude THEN SOD OFF! no ones making you post here... just bugger off and bother someone else, why the hell are you here if all you want to do is knitpick? I mean what the hell do you care if i have my company up and running or not?
I didn't ask for your help nor do i want it, i thought i made it incredibly clear... but incase i haven't.

SOD OFF EMPTY AND LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE!

as for the other comments, i've got in touch with an accounting firm - got a meeting on Thursday ... they charge almost as much as my soliciter its just insane.

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8truths there is no confusing on the trademark issue...

my company is called RavenStudio - there are currently no other companies called this.

it isn't RavenStudio Software, Raven Studios, Raven Software, or anything else... just plain RavenStudio.
the name is going to be a Ltd. UK Smallbusiness.

the standard name trademark will be on the actual name RavenStudio Ltd. but at this point i have no other trademarks i've paid for other than the term Luma ... my logo is not of a raven, a phesant or haire or anyother crap - its just a bog standard logo


see - just a normal logo which is simply called Raven's Tatoo Logo, again causes no Trademark infringement.

if you would care to point out an ACTUAL copyright infringement made which i might have missed, then please let me know ... but i'm pretty sure that they don't let your register trademarks assigned to other people.

the only person here who seems to be confused by all of this is you.

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from https://www.hanovercompanyservices.com/AnyQuestions.asp

One person may incorporate a United Kingdom private limited company and become its only shareholder and director but please note that in addition to having a director the company must have a separate secretary. If no suitable person is available for this post we can provide a nominee secretary.

It is traditional (read: traditional- not nessecary) for a private United Kingdom company to be incorporated with an authorised share capital of 100 ordinary shares of £1 each of which only 2 are issued. This provides for the normal start up situation of 2 persons starting out business with one share each giving them joint control.

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Quote: "please note that in addition to having a director the company must have a separate secretary"


guess that line missed you eh?
guess the fact that your also MUST give your Secutary a single share has passed you by too.

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"please note that in addition to having a director the company must have a separate secretary"
guess that line missed you eh?
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No, I didn't. I never said anything different.

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guess the fact that your also MUST give your Secutary a single share has passed you by too.
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Indeed I missed that line- maybe because it doesn't exist?

Read:
One person may incorporate a United Kingdom private limited company and become its only shareholder and director.

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ahh... what is the difference. Raven can use his imaginary laws for his imaginary trademark for his imaginary company for his imaginary console.

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Good point, actually.

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I've got 2 limited companies but my accountant set them up for me. Leave it to the professionals. My wife is secretary - I hope she doesn't have 50% control - or at least realise she has it. I suppose it's easy for me - I pay accountant money - he sets up company with his pals and then transfers shares or whatever to me.

As for trademarks, I had a quick look at this. As long as the term or logo being trademarked doesn't contain direct details of what the company is then it should be ok. The logo looks very trademarkable.

Unfortuantely my company name describes the business so can't be used. It's all very odd.

So there's my story without a hint of advice - sorry. Sounded good at the time.

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I don't even know where to start with my company. I'll worry about it once I finish(or come near to finishing), a good game. When I reach that point, I'll just have to find a good lawyer, who will work for free and give me some tips. I dunno, if "I" myself, am able to legally own a business at my age. But, you can read my other post, a couple posts up, about my theory on my parents signing for me, and then employing me.



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Karlos, she probably does... until you hit an earnings bracket of over £1,000,000 a year your shares don't waver in value - so you could purchase it from her for £1

you can't own a business if you're younger than 16, this is for a very good reason.
at 16 you are not legally allowed to work (child labour laws). although you might want to, legally you can't.
second reason thought is even more sound, and its because you will be responsible for the finances of the company (as the director is the one who takes the fall if the company goes under) ... someone who is under 16 is not allowed to handle more than $50,000 at any given time. (again another weird law) ... although you can store more in another account like a trust fund, you're only allowed to have upto $50,000 per year in your current account.
this is really mostly a tax reason, as people under 16 do not pay taxes nor are eligable for them.

we got some cookie laws. you secutary must also be older than 18. reason for this being that when your 18 you can handle an unlimited amount of money based on your company account. Though some banks will only allow upto 2,000,000 ... and make you wait until you 21 before allowing you a full range.

really i don't understand why someone people post, its quite obvious they don't like me ... and i can't say i particularly like them. So why bother even posting? What do they care what happens?
a good few sad lil kids around here, who seem to have one joy to try to show people up ... when sadly they oftenly don't have a clue what they're talking about (not that it'll stop people believing what they say).

Quote: "When I reach that point, I'll just have to find a good lawyer, who will work for free and give me some tips"

hope you know a mate or family member in law school

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i'd just like to make this clear btw... and just for empties benifit really.

please read the sentace you want to quote almost every post... and read it carefully. It does NOT say that you can hold all of the shares UPON incoporation, only that your allowed to BECOME the single shareholder.

people must be lucky your not a lawyer mate, cause you would make an aweful one with that kinda of laspe in interpretation.

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Raven . . . Get real. Whether you want to believe something or not, you are walking a thin line with TM.

An excerpt:

Quote: "Infringement of a trademark can occur if another entity uses a name that is the same as or similar to your trademark in the same line of goods or services. For example, an infringer cannot get away with spelling his name differently if the resulting name sounds the same as yours, e.g., ZEROKS sounds like XEROX� and, therefore, would be an infringement on the XEROX trademark for another company in the same line of goods or services."


http://www.viennapat.com/newsletter/vol2iss4/abcs4tms.htm

You can bullshit anyone in the world you want as long as you don't bullshit yourself.

RavenStudios is a "confusingly similar name" to Raven Software, especially when you are in the same industry.

If I go looking for Raven games, I run the risk of missing one of the two of you and finding the others products.

Raven . . . the standard you are applying assumes I have the right to start a Coke Soda company, and tell Coca-Cola they can go screw themselves.

Really detach yourself from your interest in your project, because it has a skeeing effect.

In a detached mode, answer this question: have you paid for an official USPTO trademark search, and the equivalent search in Britain?

In a detached mode, really answer whether this is not confusingly similar: Coke Soda <> Coca Cola?

Because that's the Raven Software <> RavenStudios equation.

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YOU ARE COMPLETELY INSANE!

and no Coke Soda wouldn't have a problem with Coke Cola... you wanna know how i know this? BECAUSE THERE IS A UK COMPANY NAMED THAT!

the point in the trademark system is to make sure that your have a recogniseable business and tradename.

RavenStudio & Raven Software... are not spelt alike, they don't sound alike, they're not even the same number of flipping words!!
our logos are totally different.
our sites are totally different.
our slogans are totally different.

the ONLY thing we actually have in common is we're both working on game titles ... but there is where the similarity ends, becuase thier game titles are based on another companies engines. Mine are being done from scratch.
I'm also working on a Programming Language & Render Engine, not to mention actively supporting the amature programming community.

all Raven Software do are modified games.

sorry but your grasping at straws here... Coke (Co K So Da) Soda doesn't not sound like Coca Cola (Co Ka Co La)...
that would not stand up in court mate - however they can't use that as a trademark for the reason that Karlos said before...

Coke Soda would be what? a Carbonated Coke Drink, a Carbonated Drink is a Soda ... hense you can't have Coke Soda because it is a descriptive name NOT a tradename. Because if you took it then you could legally sue anyone who used it in describing thier own product.

your insane... completely insane!

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Are you on crack?!

There are zero references anywhere to a Coke Soda company in Britain, except as part of Coca-Cola, the Atlanta-based US company.

Let's not start fictionalizing facts!

98-paragraph responses don't supercede laws!

And, have you run the search with the PTO?! I'm grasping at straws? Register your damned TM, then! The Raven Software people clearly state they have a reg'd TM. If you have not run an official search, you are just blowing smoke up people's asses.

You cannot invent facts just because it suits you!

Register your TM! If you're in the clear, hooray! Let's see your "My TM went thru" post in a couple months.

If I am so damned wrong, and so full of it, let's see it. So far, I don't see any TMs next to your stuff.

Coke Soda? God . . . what next? Nykee Shues! Buhble Yoom Buhble Goom. Sheven Elleven. Cercle J. Nin-10-do'h. Macrosoft.

With an Engrish dictionary we could infringe all kind of trademarks.

Don't tell me . . . there is a Macrosoft in Britain, too!

Really-Heavily-Shaded BASIC, the Bestest 2+1-D Game Creator.

Hey, do you use Not-Suffering-Macular-Degeneration C++? Nah, I don't like Macrosoft's software.

BTW -- your spelling change on the nVidia slogan is a clear infringement.

Just remember, Raven, insane people tend not to believe they are insane. They tend to assume others are.

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look 8truths i'm not gonna argue this anymore, there isn't any point your not gonna listen and by the judge of other posts of yours no doubt your going to flame me for explaining to you here that quite frankly you don't have the first clue here.

have fun living in your own little world oki... and don't bother me or this post again.
thank you

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Quote: "Nykee Shues!"



lmao!



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Hey, Solidz. Don't laugh. Raven will say bad things if you do. Raven's a poopie face. He makes me feel like less of person.

RAVEN'S POSTING POLICY:

"SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! You are so f---ing dumb! How many times did your mother beat her stomach failing to abort you?! Your stuupid. I ment two tipe thaht wai. You are so dumb. Only dumb people disagree with me. I'm utterly right. Get real. If you were in this world, you'd SHUT UP! SHUT UP!"

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And Raven -- did you submit your TM to the appropriate search?

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Quote: "
i'd just like to make this clear btw... and just for empties benifit really.

please read the sentace you want to quote almost every post... and read it carefully. It does NOT say that you can hold all of the shares UPON incoporation, only that your allowed to BECOME the single shareholder.
"

Yeah, except that as a director you get the inital shares anyway. There's a lot you need to learn, little raven, a lot to learn.


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and no Coke Soda wouldn't have a problem with Coke Cola... you wanna know how i know this? BECAUSE THERE IS A UK COMPANY NAMED THAT!
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No, there isn't.

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Maybe it was Coak Sew-dah. So hard to tell.

Raven is an ass monkey. They bite, and the doctors won't treat it. They keep saying that one look from the ass monkey will steal your soul. I slapped the doctor, and said, "Pull yourself together, man!"

And he said, "You don't understand. The flying ass monkey is coming!"

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First enPhinuhtee screen shot:



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And the console itself . . .



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WOW! Can I develop for you 8truths? I am going to do sports games and call my company "theletterafterD-A Sports". Soon you will all be very familiar with this: "If it is in their game, it is in my game". Drool you peeps..... drool.

Raven, people don't like you just because your "raven". People don't like you because you run your mouth with BIG claims with absolutely nothing to back you up. Then you make comments like - "You have no idea who I am OR who I have working for me OR what I have done." Well yeah, your right... we don't. You claim to have some top industry guys working for you on some of your projects, yet you show nothing to back up those claims. Some people fall at your feet in worship "just-in-case" you are telling the truth, but some of us are smart enough not to fall for that. You want to call me some stupid little kid with nothing better to do than bring down the big bad Raven. That is fine with me. You are wrong, but I have done nothing to prove to you otherwise. I haven't claimed to be anything that I am not though. Please do not get the satisfaction of thinking that you have made me angry in some way. You haven't. In fact, all I ever get out of your posts is a few good laughs. You can tell me to mind my own busines, and maybe I would... but you would never do the same. If someone flat out asked you not to respond to a constructive post would you listen? I very highly doubt it.
Anyway, what is worse, laughing at someone and calling them on lies, or making false claims in order to receive false respect?

Anyway, good luck with ALL of your projects Raven. I look forward to not getting to see them because they are swept under the carpet with other things that will eventually be swept under the carpet also.

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Raven's got the right idea. THis thread should now be locked in my opinion.

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Quote: "
THis thread should now be locked in my opinion.
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Why?

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