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Dave J
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Posted: 28th Jul 2003 07:59 Edited at: 28th Jul 2003 08:02
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Quote: "Notice Geri's location: Cyberspace."

I believe he's from Hungary.

Quote: "ever seen *that* episode of fresh prince of bell air? "

Lol that episode's hilarious (that is if you're referring to the fitness bike/dress making episode)

Quote: " just tell that, that i am antifeminist."

There's a distinct line between Anti-feminism and being just plain sexist.

Quote: "It's called reverse discrimination."

lol, that reminds me of The Animal. Can anyone verify if Reverse Racism like in The Animal actually happens? I'm interested.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2003 10:20 Edited at: 28th Jul 2003 10:21
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ok now stop it!!! you all haven't understand nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah i'm saying i'm surprised to find women here like to find men in a needlework forum.

needlework is a female attitude for our society, so programming games is figured with a man and his little computer, like in the 80'.

You are thinking on sexual discrimination, not me.

And stop it now.
I was only intrested to contact female users to ask what they like to program.

sorry for my english.

eh che cazzo!

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why would you be surprised to see a man in a needlework forum??
what the hell is wrong with men doing that?!

christ are you just trying to insult every possible person you can... jesus what a decensian attitude

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Posted: 28th Jul 2003 11:47 Edited at: 28th Jul 2003 12:16
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well, if you think i'm an idiot, don't answer my post and let me be.
Are you a superhero defending moral attitudes?
First think if you are a people who can judge the others.
If there are one who behive like a god, i'm not me....


Maybe if i write it bold , you understand:

PROGRAMMING WITH DB FOR A GIRL IS UNUSUAL LIKE NEEDLEWORK FOR A MEN.

i'm writing GIRLS CAN?T PROGRAM or MEN CAN'T MAKE NEEDLEWORKS????

I AM WRITING THIS IS ONLY U N U S U A L.

I'm italian, but i think i'm more capable of you in english, at this point.

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Hehe, can everyone stop looking for offensive comments in harmless posts please? - I did'nt see anything in Ermes posts that was out of line, honestly, you've just tarred him with the Geri brush because he hinted that a girl who uses DB might be sexy.

Maybe a female programmer would be sexy to me too, because I like intelligent women - and let's be honest, most women don't have a hobby as involving and complicated as programming - so female programmers have a little air of mystery about them .

I have a thoery, that I'm gonna share then regret, because you won't see it from the same angles as me. Anyway.

I believe that womens liberation is an illusion, that they have exactly the rights men let them have. Everytime they win the right to do something, I don't think it's the strength of the argument or the intelligence of the people involved - I think they've gotton what they want to keep them quiet/happy. No doubt 99% of people reading that find it offensive, but consider this, how about if this was the same for everyone. If 50 women protest that a man doing the same job earns £2 more per hour, something would be done about it - but not necesserily because the bosses believe that the women deserve more money, but because 50 angry women are scary.

I hope you don't think I agree with this way of thinking, it just occurs to me that this is the way things are done, I'd personally like to see equal rights for everyone.

One little point that annoys me, just a harmless little thing that would'nt get under the skin of most people.

In America, several swimming pools have weight-challenged days, where overweight people can come along and swim without feeling inferior, because there's only overweight people there.
The thing that annoys me is that this is the direct opposite of equal rights, it's giving more rights to one group while taking away the rights of another. In order to please one group, another group suffers. What would the reaction be if I proposed a 'normal person' only day at my local swimming pool, only for those who are not deemed overweight. There would be public outcry and a possible lynching.
I can feel the back of my neck burning as I almost type this, because I know some of you'll have a field day - but basically, if seeing healthy people makes you feel bad, put that burger down take responsibility for your problem.


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One of the best, VAN-B, you're one of the best in this forum.
Thanks god, one have understand what i've write.

THE OTHERS, must learn from this post.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2003 13:53 Edited at: 28th Jul 2003 13:56
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but Ermes it ISNT unusal at all... just because it goes against the small little grain of what you consider normal behaviour doesn't mean that it is unusual.

this is why your comments are offensive to me atleast - your trying to single people out for who they are rather than thier ability.
your doing exactly the point that Van finds annoying.

he might find this harmless fun, and other might find it offensive because they feel your insulting women.
I am finding it offensive because actions like this no matter how harmless it seems are actually singling people out ... shows a form of distrimination, whether it is to praise them or to fawn them.

and i'd suggest you reread what you've already said, and remember that english is NOT the same in syntax as italian - perhaps you'll be able to understand how people can really be furious with the comments you've made.

but as i've said, i'm not offended by how you've said what you have ... its because your trying to pick out some people, be it for your own curiosity or not - just leave people alone!
This is an international forum, and what is "normal" is very very situated - what is unusual for you is perfectly normal for people in another country and you really do have to respect this.

[edit-] (corrected some mistakes, i really should start paying more attention to what i write)

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umpf, maybe in the future, someone will tell to you "Welcome to the real world", but this will happen only wher you leave your kindy world.
Too complicate to explain you what life really is, i'm losing my time with you.
Bye Bye Raven.

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But Raven, it is unusual to find a female programmer, if it's unusual for most people, then it is unusual - your shurely not suggesting that most programmers are women, because that's just nonsense.

Please appreciate that Ermes is Italian, and there are different lifestyles in Italy than America and the UK - he's saying it's unusual, it's his bloody topic so leave HIM alone to say it. I agree with him, I've never met a woman who could program, I went to college with several women who tried to learn, but none of them learned, I don't think I'm being sexist when I say that programming is not a usual career for a woman to be interested in. And before you say it - I do know and have known several women, the most technically minded is a Photoshop operator for a printing company, and a part time model (yeah Jill is a remarkable woman) - but I would'nt expect her to take an interest in programming.

Medical fact - Woman use the left hand side of their brain more than the right.
Medical fact - Men use the right hand side of their brain more than the left.
Medical fact - The left hand side of the brain handles emotions and creativity.
Medical fact - The right hand side of the brain handles logic.

So, given these medical facts, is it sexist to say that women are better suited to creative jobs, and men better suited to technical jobs?. I'd say programming is a mix of creativity and technical/problem solving abilities, I honestly think that a woman who posesses good logic and problem solving abilities along with a creative flair, is rare - as rare as men who are artistic and logical at the same time.

I know you (Raven) probably know a few female programmers, but like it or not, your the exception because you do this for a living.


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i'm in love with Van B.

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sorry mate but you've gotta take off your Black&White glasses... becuase life just ain't like that anymore.

it about getting the most your can for nothing ... life and people are selfish. Sit there and believe that, Women don't program becuase it isn't citché - or that men don't sew.
Maybe next you'll tell me there is no such thing as a transexual because its just not normal but your definition.

wake up man, nothing is life is "normal" but anyones point of view ... and now people don't even go about hiding it or evern trying to just go along with the flow. Because now its all about what YOU can get out of everything with the minimum of effort.

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van... i know 25 female programmers from these forums alone... i know none of them are professional programmers (though one or two are in the industry doing different jobs)
and i know alot more across the web.

you don't see them around simply because they have to put up witht crap like this... or some pre-adolesent teen trying to get thier name/number/picture and bugging them 24-7

quite frankly i don't blame that hardly any of them actually post in forums, especially those who start with a huge guy base... or even let thier sex known throughout the forums because most of the guys thing that they're around other guys.
i can guarentee you there are 2 users on this forum who post regularly that none of you even realise are women.

and over at RGT because of all of that business with guys claming to be girls for the attention setting up all the paranoia it allows them to be able to say they are then they can take it back and people believe them.

you honestly gonna tell me that if you knew a female programmer on here that you talk to like a guy the second you knew it was a she that you wouldn't immediately change how you talk to her?
i know i oftenly do without thinking, its those values you have instilled that girls are somehow more helpless and need that protection. Kinda instinctual - but when you get more used to it and realise you can then slip back into just being a guy around them again.

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Quote: "In America, several swimming pools have weight-challenged days, where overweight people can come along and swim without feeling inferior, because there's only overweight people there.
The thing that annoys me is that this is the direct opposite of equal rights, it's giving more rights to one group while taking away the rights of another. In order to please one group, another group suffers."

You're missing an important point there. The overweight groups suffers, not because there is a rule that forbids them from using the pool but because socially overweight people are usually made fun of because the media tells us that thin people are sexy. As soon as we realise that all people can live in harmony then you're statement will be correct but that's not true and because obese people are rediculed in public because of their size (wether they can help it or not), they're the ones that suffer.

Tell me which group suffers when you take into account the fact that 99% of the time skinny people can use the pool but only 1% of the time larger people can use it without humiliation.

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nana-nana-na-aa! nana-nana-naaa! nana-nana-na-aa!
Hey men, what do you think to talk to me instead to talk with your mental problems??
I've write a simple thing, with a part of true, now i'm your target to revenge what life make you angry!!
heh heh your answers make me happy.really.i like to see people spite fire and get crap for nothing!!

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In that case get out of this forum and go bother Derek Smart.

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:: sighs :: thats the problem with a biggot, no matter how you say something they just plainly don't listen.

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Ermes,
I love you too . (Van-B would like to state for the record that he was never confused)

Exeat,
Ahh, that's a good point - but 99% of people aren't skinny, overweight people are in the majority, if anything, and dare I say it, especially in America.

I only brought that up because it annoyed me - it annoyed me because I don't make fun of anyone because of their appearance, I certainly would'nt make fun of anyone in a public place - that's just crazy. I've been brought up, and I'm bringing my son up to accept people for what they are - but also to disagree with them when you feel strongly, and disregard any impediment because peoples personalities come from within. But I think it's harmful to tell a kid they can't go swimming because of the overweight people wanting the place to themselves!

Raven,
I would'nt be surprised at all if there were a lot of 'secret' female users here, but in comparison to males here, they're a minority. I think I'd treat them more or less the same - but I speak to women differently than men anyway, nothing creepy, I just think women pay more attention to how people write. Randi's probably the only female here that I would say I know, I don't think I treat her any differently than the other users I know. Some would argue that you are guilty of this though Raven .


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Quote: "Ahh, that's a good point - but 99% of people aren't skinny, overweight people are in the majority, if anything, and dare I say it, especially in America."

Well there you go, the majority of people can't go swimming because others will taunt them. All the more reason to have such a day. And while I do agree with the way you're brining your son up unfortunately not everyone has been brought up the same way and such people do exist and will make fun of anyone who's different to them.

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*lay back in my jacuzzi, sipping applejuice, watching the debates*

any fine ladies wanna join me?

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oh my god, i was believing Raven was the one who don't listen.
Biggot? yeah, all Italian are Biggot if you think my behaviour is a biggot one.
how old are you? By god, you speak like older one, like... my grandfather.
I'm not the Biggot here, i'm one who write words as i feel.

In all of we there is a "bad" part, the side who is hidden, the dark side.... i live with it and i let it talk sometimes, so i'm real, i'm always Ermes Bertone, in the bad and in the good.

Sorry, i've to leave this forum if this place is only for totally good ones, saint peoples, i'm not so, but you can bet on me, what i say is what i do and think.

I see you, writing here "all we need respect, why discriminate fat ones/girls?" and after two minutes say "hey, who is that ugly fat girl who is inable to turn on her computer??"

thats all, hypocrites.

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Yo Ermes,

Relax dude, dun take it so hard, its just an open forum and anybody can say anything here, thats one thing. Hope u dun leave the forum, u are a great person to have here.

Its just sometimes ppl can't accept what others wanted to say (even though its written at the General Forum - Talk about Anything Unrelated to DBP and stuffs) - hey , it happen to me too, lots of times , relax dude , just chill

Okie everyone , this is just another post where one person voice (and several others) vs the entire community, just not as bad as Blitz vs DB Another opinion misunderstanding, people, happens all the time in here

So i suggest we all stand back, no more snides/insults/etc, and let this float to the bottom.. (i doubt it)

if else fails.. MODS!!!!!

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hehee... i think i'm pretty guilty of it, but don't particularly mean to be.
as for the minority... Hispanics are counted as a minority in america, come to LA mate - they don't seem like a bloomin' minority to me considering you need to know some rudimentary Latino just to get by in some areas.

... think of it like Aussies, you will only find a few around ... but its not unusal to go almost anywhere in the world and meet an aussie backpacker.

i swear to god, if there was a nuclear war and you were like the omega man ... you walk into a bar - $50 says there would be an aussie at the other end of the bar (j|k but you gotta admit its a funny thought)

Ermes, i don't particularly care what your views on things are.
just try to remember that certain views can offend people, and i mean although alot can just be let slide here - certain areas are really to be avoided.
I mean like just think how inoppropriot it would be to say something like "i don't know any homosexual guys who program ... hands up all the gays here who program cause i wanna know if you code differently to me!"

oki perhaps to some it might seem like a fair topic, but even to you that must seem pretty offensive to try and single people out - not to just reveal something they might not want to ... and also insulting them by suggesting that they can't code the same way because they don't button thier shirts up the same side.
if i did that, i'd be labeled a homophobe and flamed to death.

perhaps that explains it better?

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nope, i haven't offeced nobody, others people want to think i was.
I'm the first to be hit by this, i'm a southern italy one who is living in north Italy, there's a discrimination for this, like black and white men in America.
My words hit ones who are instable by theirselfes.
And Raven, stop talking me like you are seated on a chair higher than the chair i have.
Let me be in my mental poorness and in my idiot attitude.
You have offenced me several times before i reply, remeber that.
I've see there's one in this forum very good to offence people with hidden insults, this are YOU.
So take it easy next time.

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Hehe, I've never even known a gay man who likes video games, never mind programming. Lesbians though - are often into computers in my experience.

It's not important really, because for all anyone knows anyone can be anything here - I've never met a DB'er in person, so I might be an overweight homosexual martian for all you guys know . I think the whole reason why people wonder about these things, and the whole reason why we use the forum is because programming is a terribly lonely thing to do - it's not the sort of thing you can do half-heartedly, not even on a hobbyist level. I try not to work when friends visit because you need to give it your full attention, which leaves your friends sitting watching TV wondering why they bothered!. So we wonder about the folk who use this forum, and we wonder about what type of person uses DB, maybe so we can find connections and feel welcome somewhere (I'm not a big fan of the internet - it's there for my DB stuff and for finding out interesting facts like the name of He-Mans battle cat).


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Van-b, i use this forum when i'm working, at home i haven't internet connection.
I use internet for placing on-line my project in DB and find others DB'er programs, and the forum is an intresting place to share info and have a good time.
Also use internet to find info and to book train ticket or something else.

When i'm with my girlfriend, computer is the last thing we think,maybe in a rainy day, a couple of match with Tekken or Bust a move.

when i'm with my friends we like to go to disco or to drink, computers?...what are they???

When i'm alone, instead to play game like TR (....) ,sometime i paint picture with oil paint, but often i program something, so i've made the two raven, and the upcoming "Sunday Drivers".

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Oooh boy...

Raven, that should be "it's" and "meant" not "its" and "ment" in your signature. I die a little every time I am forced to read it.

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Yeah, I'm at work too! - I spend more time posting when at work than when at home - even though it's a pre-paid connection at home, I like the idea of messing around here when I should be working.

That's what I mean though, DB is for when your alone, it's a personal hobby that most other people can't understand the attraction of. There's nothing worse than someone standing over your shoulder, asking what your doing and making obvious comments like 'Is that complicated?' or 'Why not make a...... game'. It's cool when you take on a project that people are interested in though, I'm working on a sequel to Stoked, so all my mountainbiking buddies have been throwing ideas at me, sorta makes it a bit more acceptable to do a little work when they visit - I haven't told them they'll be starring in it yet!. My girl does'nt mind too much if I work when she's home, means she can watch whatever she likes on TV without my usual complaints!.


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Oooh, a sequel to Stoked? I've got to play that

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LOL @ Mouse!

11am, lets see how long it takes for him to change it .


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I don't see why there is 'girl stuff' and 'boy stuff' not that i like dolls or anything but, my girlfriend is a tomboy and plays footbal at recess with us guys, and no one really cares.

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Eh Eh Van-b, my girl hate i'm with computer when she's home.....
I'm forced to watch some bullshit on tv with she seated on my body......

Yeah it's beautiful messing around with this forum when you're at work!!!

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'I'm forced to watch some bullshit on tv with she seated on my body......'



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Yup a lotta feminists are actually looking 4 superiority 2 men which kinda defeats the point! Strange that the words "Feminine" and "Feminist" are so similar but often have v different results

Yes, a GIRL who can really program! Not bad looking too hehee
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i'm poor, i've only a chair in front of my tv, so i'm seated on the chair, then she's seated on me.

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It was the wording that seemed a bit off . Nevermind.

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oh it's my english i think.

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Quote: "They're separated because men are just brutal"


Lol, I take it you've never played any sport against girls then Raven. Girls can be even deadlier than men on the playing field.

(edit): Damn, didnt see the second page.

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pretty standard actually ermes... i guarentee you, you have yourself 3 couches - she'd still insist on actually sitting on you

women think its comfy and nice - if only it actually was... then they bitch when you move them just enough so they're not crushing ya nuts lol

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explained it once, not gonna explain again

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Quote: "Girls can be even deadlier than men on the playing field."


yeah especially with a stick in thier hands
but they still oftenly don't stand much of a chance against a large guy around twice thier weight.

i've played footy against a womens team before, and they were pretty dirty players too - alot of two legged tacles and such.
but for the life of them a 120lbs girlie trying to injure you by sliding into you at full pelt just doesn't really hurt much.

a 300lb women then yeah i'd be a little more worried about it... but women who get that heavy generally are more fat than muscular - women have a knack of not gaining alot of weight from muscles, where as guys do. you can easily have a 250lb 6'5" muscular guy, whereas a women the same size and just as strong will have smaller muscles.
god knows why but it also makes them lighter, they can oftenly bench the same ... they just are more petit about it and weight less for it.

remember i train almost daily with a particular woman ... and we also fight almost every monday in an arranged match. (like today)
not the same like sports and footy but still i get to see alot more women around it, as its all mixxed and you get alot of women trying to work on thier self-defense (they need it in this city)

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I would just like to say that in this thread (http://www.darkbasicpro.com/apollo/view.php?t=14028&b=2) Bertoine Ermes has posted his picture. That picture is perhaps a far greater explanation of this thread than words can do justice.

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this thread got boring so i thought i'd skip to the end lol, but anyway, my first point is we're all allowed to show our own point of view, just try not to slag others off about it too much

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ever seen *that* episode of fresh prince of bell air?

Lol that episode's hilarious (that is if you're referring to the fitness bike/dress making episode)
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Yeah, if that's the sameone that prince gets beaten up in the ring by a woman, and derent hit her back because she's female. Then gets the mick taken of him I think we're on about the same one.

Anyway, discrimination is alot more rare than the olden days, especially through gender.

However racism stays strong. It's not so much white v black anymore, its western v eastern. What I mean is refugees etc. May of been on the national news, the city where i live, (hull), has had alot of riots lately, mainly townies vs refugees in massive fights (didnt want to be stereotypical but ohwell).

I'm in two minds about this, but i'd probably sway other to the anti-refugee side. Why? because of the government, and all our taxes going towards brand new cars and apartments for these refugees. They also get free driving lessons, while i have to pay with them (using my crappy trainee wage of £40/week). Also, reading the newspaper the other week, i read about the refugees getting a free holiday to Blackpool to help them "settle in". That takes the mick, lol.

Anyway, now iv'e just had a little rant about that, i'll let you get back on to your old subject lol.

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The problem in England is not the fault of the refugee's, our system treats them very well - too well in my opinion - but remember never to blame it on them personally.

Our system makes for 400,000 applicants a year when the next highest European country only gets 20,000 applicants (and those are only because that countries standard responce is to give them a plane ticket to England).

Given the choice between England, France and Germany. I know where I would want to live. Given the choice between England and Romania, I think I would go for 3 lions again... Now give me the choice between England and Romania again AND throw in a house, a car, in some cases a holiday, a 'settling in' wage (benefits), a job, and a packet of luncheon vouchers and I don't think anyone can be blamed for chosing England.

As for whether racism really exists anymore, well perhaps in Hull, mostly though I think it is an issue of minority v's minority - the majority pretty much dont give a damn*.

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400,000?
Where did you get that number from?

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i know onley one Hungarian programmerteam. Name: Geri, and the program is PS Emulator.
onley one.

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*but I know onley one Hungarian programmerteam. Name: Geri, and the program is PS Emulator.
onley one.

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Quote: "Screamer4x4, 1nsane, ElastoMania, Imperium Galactica, ang Haegemonia are Hungarian gamez!"


well that would be good... but your wrong.
Imperium Galactica 1 & 2 were coded by an Chequeslovacian (i know it isn't spelt right) team ... 3 was coded by an east german team (and was a complete waste of our time if you ask me!)

Screamer4x4 & Insane were coded in America by Milestone.

i'd suggest you do your history next time, because there are NO retail level hungarian development houses. I couldn't even name you 5 shareware companies from there.

as for women programming - i know close to 120 in the industry itself, but as Van said my knowlage of how many female programmers about is a little unfair due to positions i've been in in the past.

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just because you don't know of things doesn't mean they're not there.
i mean do you know how many naval ship are under the ocean?
i don't, and most of the shipwreck teams don't - you can still find them a dime a dozen under the ocean though. Just because we don't know something is there, doesn't mean it isn't.

for a programmer you need to be a little more open minded, you'll never get anywhere useful with an attitude of "until i can see it for myself i won't believe it"
skeptics make very very poor programers ... the simple reason being is where you think something can't be done until your shown a real programmer will go out of thier way to ACTUALLY prove it can't be.
you either end up with solid proof, or you end up with it being achieved.

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So we have an Hungarian one.
I was in Budapest some years ago, nice city, especially the island between Buda and Pest, lots of nightclub, disco and others.
I've home some local money, Florint i remember.

I don't know if thigs have changed, but i remember Soviets make several damage in this beautiful country.

Cheers Geri.

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That would be Cringer

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Yeah, if that's the sameone that prince gets beaten up in the ring by a woman, and derent hit her back because she's female. Then gets the mick taken of him I think we're on about the same one."

Yeah probably, they're all one big blur to me though lol.

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