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Dave J
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Posted: 4th Aug 2003 13:37
I found Black Segregation US History really interesting, quite amusing as well when they called in the 101st Airborne division to escort those 8 black students to school with .50 cal machine guns and four soldiers per student.

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Posted: 4th Aug 2003 13:52 Edited at: 4th Aug 2003 13:53
Indeed - and they're still missing equal rights... Mind you, it would help if they cleared up the 'shantytowns' (Bronx etc).


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Posted: 4th Aug 2003 15:34
Seriously? I would've thought the whole country had gotten past that by now and realised they're equal and deserve equal rights albeit it would be expected some people in Alabama and Mississipi still wouldn't think of them as the same. o_O

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Posted: 4th Aug 2003 16:07
I think the Deep South still causes the problems... I do think it would help if there was a large-scale urban re-development though.


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Posted: 4th Aug 2003 16:08
I don't understand any kind of oppressive thought, why hate another for something they're born with?

By the way, who is that girl in your sig, Raven? She real or CG?

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"If Raven has such a wonderful 18-hour a day gig going, why the hell does he post so much?"

lol THIS i wanted to ask for a LONG time. I mean, i'm 13, on my summer vacation with hours to waste on my time with out a care. And I spend the whole day here and dont make 1/10 as much as posts as raven. Who i thought had a job, and also from what I heard alot of other importent stuff to do. Does he not sleep at night? Or maybe 8truths is right? I'm not jumping to conclusions here, but this is just weird.
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Posted: 4th Aug 2003 17:30
oh and whats this console 8truths was talking about?
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Posted: 4th Aug 2003 17:40 Edited at: 4th Aug 2003 17:56
lol you notice the bigger posters are those who work nonstop
sides i'm my own boss get off my ass, if i wanna post in the forum i will ... the perk of working from home

(not that it seems to stop others :: looks at toady :: )

[edit-]
was wondering when someone would ask...
that is the soon to be infamous Chloe from 7th Day Project
and that is her standing ontop of a building from the opening scene.
the yellow background is actually a blend in an attempt to get rid of all of it, but it didn't quite work

she has a reallife counterpart, but then everyone in the series will.
Raven in the prerelease/demo is me - got told it was kinda egotistical by a mate, but in the story i kill me off in the first episode so i don't think many people are gonna be too disappointed

and the character Erin i'm hoping will be voiced and based on Rose. She's already agree'd to it, just going talk to her more when i next see her as she'll be in the first game.
we also have Beck who is based on my mate Chris ... who is a blast to work with

you know it was a blow to hear that Tomb Raider has now been taken from Core Design - because the games essencially are similar in design ... i felt i'd be pitted against the ledgends in the series.
But with Crystal Dynamics now being who i'm against.
Well that makes the game interesting

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Posted: 4th Aug 2003 17:45
you work from home?! Well that explains alot
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Ok, Geri i have a question...if you have the skill to crack DB...then why the hell would you use DB in the first place...with cracking skills shouldnt you be able to do like C or sumthin...

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Posted: 4th Aug 2003 18:07
u can easly find a crack on line. Doesnt mean he cracked it himself.
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Quote: "Ok, Geri i have a question...if you have the skill to crack DB...then why the hell would you use DB in the first place...with cracking skills shouldnt you be able to do like C or sumthin..."


If the db protection is like the dbpro protection all you need is to borrow the cd off someone install it, spend 2 minutes to work out how it works. you could even write the actuall crack in dbpro in less than 10 lines.

Did he actually admit to cracking the demo or borrowing the cd. There will be a fair few people here who removed the protection from dbpro and own a dbpro cd.

Would be kinda funny if all this trouble was started because geri brought db and removed the cd protection and posted here in his bad english and everybody got the wrong end of the stick.
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Raven -- work from home? That's a euphamism for unemployed.

I'd like to see Raven address an issue one time, instead of acting like it was not said at all.

Raven is a prototype of the kind of person people do not hire. Never finishes projects, never takes criticism but deals it easily, always has some great idea, avoids itemizing responses, and flat-out invent facts when he is out of ammo (Coke Soda?).

One time, I'd like to see Raven ante up and crush everyone by showing all his brilliant work, instead of claiming everything as a victory without every showing anything.

I cannot believe that with his big gun games and his console, he has what? A stock image cribbed from the net to show for it.

. . . Now for something totally different . . .

MrToad--

Quote: "I think the Deep South still causes the problems... "


This is a lasting stereotype that just isn't true. The North has always been far more segregated, racist and violent than the South.

Worst riots in the 60s were in Detroit (half the city still looks like Beiruit during the 80s).

Most Southerners actually live in fairly integrated neighborhoods. The only exceptions I have really seen in the South are in tech areas (like northern Virginia) where there is some segregation between Asians and everyone else.

Baltimore is a really good example (if you excuse its high crime rate). An absolutely integrated city.

In the North, it's the total opposite. Entire cities are black or white. White people do not go into black neighborhoods, and black people do not go into white neighborhoods.

In the towns that have tried to integrate, there have been outbreaks of protests, violence, Aryans and KKK, widespread racial vandalism going both ways, and the police and National Guard respond with small forces of about 50 men (even well into the 1990s I have seen this happen).

I have relatives in the South, and they haven't seen anything like that since the late 60s.

Northerners are far worse racists, because their response to black Americans has been fueled by the same forces that fuel hatreds of immigrants: economics and jobs. Blacks were a threat to big labor in the early 1900s, and that mentality has never receded (although now it is more of just a general hatred with no specific reason).

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'work from home? That's a euphamism for unemployed'

Completely untrue. I know two people who work from home two/three days of the week on computer-releated jobs, getting full pay for their work.

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Didn't know about the American North being so bad...


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My mom has been working at home for the past 2 years. She is an RPG (not the genre, I think its Database related) programmer, and the reason she decided to work from home is because our grandma lives with us, and she's had 2 accidents, both around Christman (boy, imagine the odds of what I'm about to say) and she's dislocatted both of her shoulders, her left one december 2001 and her right one on december 2002. So my last 2 christmas's were pretty hectic.

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The American North isn't so bad. I've lived in the North all my life, from west coast to east coast, and what 8truths is saying holds no truth in it at all. Cities are all black or white? Utter nonsense. The whole Seattle area was completely integrated and so is the Manchester/Derry area where I live now.

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I went to notrh ohio when I was younger to visit family and the suburban areas where weird and slightly scary. Massive areas of housing and you never saw another person not on their property. Here if I walk 300 meters to the shops I would walk past 5 people. Over there I had one of my cousins bikes and I went for about 6-8 miles around the housing area and never once saw another person off their property. I don't remeber seeing any black people there.

There is no such thing as completly integrated in a city. If it's not race there will be seperation of other groups. Does Seattle not have any areas that don't have a big majority of one group of people? I can't believe it myself.
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Completely put in persective-- as much as it gets. Of course it's not perfectly half-and-half, of course there are a few mostly black or mostly white areas. But yes, walking around downtown, I would see a rougly even amount of both. It's the same here. It's a bit more tilted; I'd say 80% white and 20% black in contrast to Seattle's more 65/35, but that is absolutely not an 'all white' city.

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Mouse . . . Seattle isn't part of the north. It's part of the west. The North is those states that were free states really before the Missouri Compromise, or so.

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As for work at home, it can be a job, but I suspect that ain't the case for Raven. Developers are not own-boss, work-at-home types; good developers work for a company.

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Quote: "Seattle isn't part of the north"

Really, that's odd I seam to recall is being in a State that borders Cananda, our northern border. But what do I know, I live in South Dakota.

8truths you need to get a life, I haven't seen any reason for you to attack Raven what-so-ever. If this keeps up people are gonna think you're just Shadow Robert with a new handle.

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lmao.. Seattle is north/west
that aside, i live good as in LA right now - South/West
sorry but the racism here is just intollerable at times ...

nothing like the KKK burning crosses in your front lawn or nothing, there are more ways to be totally intollerant.

depending on where you are at the time depends on how much your accepted really (and how much money too, BIG factor in some areas).
on adverage its alright i suppose ... hollywood is a very bad area though, especially the central and western parts (but it looks like a s**thole and no-one except the people who live there and clueless tourists go there )

i've noticed that alot of americans are very territorial. i mean within thier given communities they're cool, but if your someone new and don't quite fit with thier profile of normal - thats when you can have an uncomfortable situation.

i mean my english accent here is seen as kinda sexy and interesting... i go 150miles east, and people are very suspicious around me. Dunno why, its just how the communities are.
they'll still be "friendly" but you can tell they want you out of thier café as-soon-as.

also depends on which age group your around, older people generally are far more tollerant from my experience. you're more likely to get racial abuse from teens and young adults than you are from midage peeps or old timers.



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'you're more likely to get racial abuse from teens and young adults than you are from midage peeps or old timers.'

Blame the school system. I have yet to spot a single intelligent teenager in passing-- and I drop by the mall fairly often.

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"I have yet to spot a single intelligent teenager in passing-- and I drop by the mall fairly often."

For the love of God, stop classifying us all as one. No doubt my generation is stupid, but I can't help when I was born in comparison to you. You were a teenager once too, and I'm sure you didn't like people automatically assuming that you were a moron due to your age.

Trust me, my generation is embaressing, but I try as hard as I can not to be one of them. I live in a small community surrounded by farms, but we have people here who acutally think they're "gangsters". If you're surrounded by farms you should not have a New York accent...yet some here do! I can't even walk down the street without these "cool teenagers" driving by in an Eclipse yelling stuff at me. And that really pisses me off, because the only reason they do it is because I can't do anything back. Then if I see them it school they just pretend nothing happened.

I'm not the "dorky" teenager type. In fact, I'm tall, and because of that I'm more noticed I suppose; because of that people expect me to be good at basketball and be "cool". Let's get one thing straight: the last thing I wanna be is "cool". "Cool" is what every other god damned person in my generation is brainwashed into believing they should be. The guys believe they should wear $40 shirts from Abercrombie or Hollister and that K-Mart "sucks". Why does it suck? BECAUSE THEY DON'T OVER-CHARGE YOU! It's all about the "being rich and looking cool" thing that makes them believe that - and trust me, I do not wanna be that.

In conclusion, Mouse, just because I'm sixteen does not mean that I'm the same as every other moronic teenage guy in existence. That's all I have to say about that.

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That's amusing .

HZence, I'm younger than you.

And I will continue to hold teenagers in general in contempt-- particularly males as they seem to be stupider.

Those who use computers tend to have a bit more intelligence to them, and those who program, quite a bit more.

Furthermore, if someone makes an intelligent post-- which you just have-- I'll judge them by that and put steriotypes aside.

I'm not classifying you 'all as one' but if I judge people by what I see, and what I see walking around is stupidity personified.

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aich has a point.

After all, you cannot deplore one form of classification, then move into another.

As it stands, tho, a lot of stereotypes have hints of truth.

The question isn't whether those stereotypes are ture, but how they screw you up if you run into someone who does not conform to them.

Do you just assume Mexicans can fix cars?

What if you meet a smart teenager in passing? Do you still dismiss him because he is a teenager?

What if your girlfriend really is barefoot and pregnant? Do you change your ID to Ermes and ask her if she can program? (Sorry . . . Ermes has more of a point in his femme post than people concede.)

If you meet people named Raven, do you just assume they are incapable of answering direct accusations, and will instead avoid the sound of the enemy's cannons, retreat, and build a newbie nation of syncophants who nod until their neck bones fuse?

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"Those who use computers"

Reminds of another thing I hate. Technically I'm considered a "computer nerd" and they're athletic. Why can't I be "computer smart"? Why can't they be "sport morons" or whatever? Don't get me wrong...I like sports, and I run cross country...but you get where I'm going with this right?

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Society shuns those more intelligent than the average person, it's a sad fact of life. The witch trials are an example of this.

(To those who don't know, 'witch' litteraly means 'wise person')

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How ironic

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Quote: "If you meet people named Raven, do you just assume they are incapable of answering direct accusations, and will instead avoid the sound of the enemy's cannons, retreat, and build a newbie nation of syncophants who nod until their neck bones fuse?"


you somehow think that i would want a bunch of newbies or anyone standing infront of my to fight my battles for me?
i don't care if its a fight of words for fists ... i dislike anyone talking for me, taking my place or trying to defend me.

i'm big'n'ugly enough to take care of my own.
and your open anytime to come and test just how well i can take care of business too.

lets face it 8truths you don't even have a dictionary overflowing with words in any given language to even take me down with them even with resorting to cowardly little flicks from your "insulting for dummies" book.
go learn some come back jokes from SB then perhaps you could have a little leg to stand on.

big words don't make you smart, not even by a long shot ... what makes someone smart is being able to apply thier knowlage properly.
overpopulating a post with big long facny words are for the pompus and pretenious.
the truely intelligent people are niether - and everyone time you post in such a way you just show again and again that your not intelligent, just a little kid with a dictionary scrolling off what he has memorised rather than learnt.

2cents buys a clue - and at that price you might want to stock up mate

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I think 8truths and Raven's flames both would be more impressive if they used Hungarian jabs at each others' ancestry.

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In the US smart folks take it worse. There is a general cultural fear of intelligence, and a tendancy to assume all intelligent people are up to no good. This why Americans tend to warm to folksie, down-home politicians, advertising, sappy music, movies with talking babies, etc.

Only the really distant, clearly harmless smart people are venerated -- guys like Stephen Hawking.

The rest (Gates, Clinton) try to fake harmlessness -- or you get the guys like Guiliani, who just chucks it, does everything his ways and basically says, "Yeah? I am a bastard, but I get things done."

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i don't know any hungarian's to jab him with...
apart from Geri/2Geri - but then i'm not sure what i'd catch from touching that he/she/it thingie

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'This why Americans tend to warm to folksie, down-home politicians, advertising, sappy music, movies with talking babies, etc. '

Do a bit of research before you take a potshot at a nation. Sappy music? Riiiight... Movies with talking babies? Yeah, sure. The US is the leader in the horror genre (not that I think that's a good thing). I think you're describing... well, we'll be polite and not say .

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i wonder... erm... i don't remember any talking baby films.
i could just be being dense atm - i am running on fumes and waiting for dinner (hunger makes me hallucinate)

though it doesn't sound like the america i know, and kinda revile a lil.
to me america seems more like a Rossotto - first you grab some rice from the meal you had last night ... throw in a bunch of crap your about to run out of and then hope it all tastes oki once your done.
(mom calls it the mornin' after rossotto - but i just cook it whenever i've made anything with uncle bens cause i always make too damn much)
... but really thats the english peeps as a whole - confusing eclectic and leaves an interestingly familiar taste you just can't recognise but your not sure if its good or bad for hours even after you've eaten it.

sorry but there is so much different in what america really is, theres no way to really generalise the population as a whole without over generalisation ... there are a few traits they have, but you can't specific them to "close to home politicians"

personally if i had to sum america up as a nation i'd said... Friendly but Stupid.
ya'll like a woman really, one of those chronic women - you mean well, but your make seriously bad decisions ... and you always let your emotions get the better of your no matter the situation.

christ knows what ya'll be like is a country could have pms - everyone would duck into thier nuke shelters every 28days

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Americans are deceptively stupid. A lot of that is a propensity toward simplification. We are really the only major nation in history built from nearly the start on industry, and not surprisingly, a lot of the American character reflects that -- simple, too much, driven by a "sell".

Leaders in the horror genre? I'm not sold on this. Americans may churn out a number of horror films, but we churn out a number of films, period. By that standard, we also lead the world in religious films shot on something slightly worse than 1960s 8mm, porn, films with talking animals, and films depicting the Canadians as evil.

Talking babies -- those damned Look Who's Talking movies. Rugrats.

Americans churn out a lot of sappy slop that re-affrims life and the beauty of youth, wonder, charm, marketing, etc. Take all that boy band crap, pop, etc. Hell, even rap/hip hop turns out the occassionally melodramatic piece of garbage. The 80s hair bands were all awful in this regard. Touched by an Angel. Highway to Heaven. All of the Star Trek shows/films. Forrest Gump, Castaway -- all of Tom Hank's crap, including Road to Perdition (which, in the very end is life-affirming and bittersweet, but happy). All of Spielberg's work (including the WWII stuff).

Americans are sappy and sentimental, and wish to be told that life is wonderful, that they are ten feet tall, well-hung, rich, and will never grow old.

That whole cowboy and gangsta thing is an image being sold because conflict sells drama.

The theme to 90% of all Americans films is that the world is good and beautiful, that you will get ahead if you work hard, that bad guys get what's coming, and will be well.

Americans like life-affirming crap -- even most of our horrow films have some gay turn that causes you to shrug and go, "He killed the meanie and got the girl. He's a great guy."

Americans are like teenagers -- moody and goofy and misguided, but essentially holding a positive outlook because they have not faced adulthood yet. Sure, there are episode where Americans get down (teens have these, too) but we always rebound into the June Cleaver model of the world.

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Um, arent you American I am

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wow heavy forum material.

Id just like to point out that racism is a taught trait through conditioning and learned responses and not a inbuilt thing we are built with. de la sol say no go

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Racism comes in many shapes in form.

I live in a community which is probably above 90% all white skin-toned people. Many here go around talking about how they disagree with racism, and that blacks should be treated equally, etc. Yet if any of us were thrown into a room full of black people, odds are we would freeze, because for once in our life we don't entirely fit in!

The whole thing about "acting black" is a myth. One of my closest friends is black. I've known him since I was in second grade. He acts just like me - he doesn't talk like a "gangsta" or anything. That just goes to show that you act as you're taught to act, and you talk as you were taught to talk, etc. (well for the most part)

As far as the idea that Americans are stupid, I don't know where the world got that from or what their definition of "stupid" is. But, I guarantee there are just as many "stupid" people in England, Australia, or wherever in comparison to the U.S., just as there are intelligent people (i.e. rocket scientists). Americans in general are not stupid, we're just people. We're all just people. If you look at the world from that one sided perspective that "this type of person" is stupid, then, well, congratulations! You're right! There are stupid people!

Best thing to do, hard as it is, is to look at the human race as a whole. In that case, though there are many different versions of humans, saying that a black person is a different race just ain't true. They're still human! I guess where I'm going with this is that human beings in general are stupid. We are just stupid creatures. Just when we think we have it all figured out, we don't! It's a loop, it's just gonna keep going like that. And if we ever achieve true enlightenment then I'll be damned

Here are a few personal philosophies that I've written (and yes these are by me so if you use them I'd like some credit )

1) The concept of reality is a mirage. Reality is in the eye of the beholder. Every human being blindly believes that their perception of reality is truth; therefore, the only truth is that no human can comprehend truth.

2) It is impossible for any one human not to be opinionated in some form. Though one may believe part of an issue to be true, another may disagree and claim to know the exact opposite to be true. Hence, it may be nearly impossible for each side to alter their opposition's idea of fact, making each individual opinionated.

Dictionary.com definition of "Opinionated" - Holding stubbornly and often unreasonably to one's own opinions.

Ironically enough, all of this is just my opinion, making me opinionated - and proving my point.

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Quote: "Americans are deceptively stupid"


Hmmmmm, I don't know if that's how I'd describe myself. We only seem stupid because that's how other countries and people portray us.
I won't really go any further into this, as I don't really know much about politics/rasicm/pshycologic and all that other stuff.




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I would say Americans are more like a flock of sheep. For the most part we aren't that stupid but we don't like to rock the boat. No wonder condidering quite a few protests turn into riots. It's sad but unless things really gets out of hand, Americans will just follow the croud. There was a poll done a while ago on how high taxes could be raised before people would refuse to pay them. You know high it was before the magority of people would refuse to pay? 80% that's right, 80 percent!

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Must agree with the sheep thing - Americans like to take things at face value, and believe they're true - not wanting to find out the reason for something. The other main problem is that business controls almost everything - politics, education etc.

Most people in the UK like to question everything - we certainly demand more from our MP's - because we know how wasteful they can be.


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Posted: 6th Aug 2003 16:06 Edited at: 6th Aug 2003 16:07
Americans like to take things at face value, and believe they're true - not wanting to find out the reason for something.

This may sound shockingly bigoted/racist/whatever, but I'm tempted to agree. (Note the word tempted... it's not 'whole-heartedly')

As an example, I'll point something out about the education system. Correct me if I'm wrong, (which I'm sure you will ) but until degree level, the only history you are taught is American History. What's wrong with World History? It just seems to compound the feeling that you're either intentionally sheltered, or not interested in the rest of the world.

As some dude said on the extras to The Sound Of Music: "Americans are famed for suffering from collective historical amnesia". Now, I'm paraphrasing, but the point still kinda rings true.

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Mind you, I think the same sort of thing is starting to go on here. When I was at school, we did the Russian Revolution, WW2 etc etc, but very little about English history. Now, as far as I can tell from when my sister was at school, it doesn't expand past English history.

The main problem is most people (seem) to find it boring - teachers need to infuse enthusiasm, which is what is lacking.

Some interesting subject titles would be :

American war of Independance
American Civil War,
American early 19/20th century
Australia early 19/20th century.

And for those who like gruesome things, the English Civil War would be good too - could really lose your head over it.


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Quote: "but until degree level, the only history you are taught is American History. What's wrong with World History?"


LOL if I had a pound for every post that had phrases like "America won world war II" or "America saved the Europeans", hmmm! they seem to forget there was a hell of a lot of Europeans died over here long before they became involved, to hear some posters talk we rang up the USA on declaration of hostilities and the American Army came round and sorted it all out for us in time for the weekend, hey guys! it wasn`t like that at all, this may be a shock and in direct contradiction to what HollyWood say, but the surviveing free western nations paid huge sums for ships, supplies and weapons to the US out of gold and national treasures shipped over to the UK from France, Poland, Holland etc, along with a lot of our own reserves, it wasn`t all pure altruism on the part of the USA.
the French even had the cheek to insist they where paid back their Gold by the UK after the war, adding considerably to our national debt (we went on credit to pay for the war), since we used it to buy arms to get their les`miserables arses out of trouble, (and wasn`t it amazing how many frenchmen swore they where resistance fighters after the war?, as one real resistance fighter said, "people are praising each other for their heroism so much that it seems that in Paris the whole population of the city was in the resistance, a pity we didn`t know this at the time"), while the free French ,Polish and Dutch who fought with UK troops and flew fighters in the RAF got not so much as a thank you when they returned home, but then everybodys the good guy as they see it, aren`t they?, if Hitler had won the war then we would all be posting in German and talking about the atrocities commited by the British and Americans before they lost the war and the common people where liberated by the glorious socialist party of the Reich, eh? what?, cheers.

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Posted: 6th Aug 2003 19:14 Edited at: 6th Aug 2003 19:17
I would guess a bit of the american stupidity might be because it is easy to be stupid there. The american tourists I meet are generally less intelegent in a common sence sort of a way than british people.

I think if you where willing to start a dodgy garage mending cars you would be able to rip the americans off a lot more than the british.

Quote: "Mind you, I think the same sort of thing is starting to go on here. When I was at school, we did the Russian Revolution, WW2 etc etc, but very little about English history."


It might be to do with the way teachers are trained now and the types of people attracted into it. The teachers I used to have didn't stick to the cericulum rigidly and would often stray off into the more intresting parts of history. They also wouldn't always tell it in such a way that made the uk look good and I am sure a few of them would have intresting things to say about the recent Iraq war. Also a lot of my teachers didn't exactly like the government, proberly didn't like capitalism and teached accordingly.

I remeber one of my teachers going on about how bad some of the british commanders where in the first world war and the way the conciencious objecters subject was taught wouldn't be the same in america.
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Posted: 6th Aug 2003 19:47
it's an eye for an eye really... all i remember being taught in history was really
Egyptian/Victorian Times (Jnr School) -> Roman (1st year) -> WW1 (2nd yeaar) -> WW2 (3rd years)

there was a bit about the invasions of england and the war of the roses, general english history. a slight amount of french, though we never learnt about the french revolution which i think would've been interesting.

we never learn anything about the Victorian reign, particularly the Kazibar War ... learnt about the industrial revolution and the suffrajets - but nothing about the americans, russian, australian, oriental, etc...

maybe it was in the gcse level stuff - but most of the history i learn was mostly about England (not even Britian as a whole).
alot of what i've learnt about history i've done on my own either through discovery things that peaked my interest or like reading up on topics and such.

i mean i wouldn't mind understanding how america was formed, what went wrong and such - but literature on it was never really widely available in my school. And everyone was more into sitting in the library and doing those magic eye things whilst talking about x-files

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really both countries are kinda as bad as each other... they teach history they feel is relivant - ours simple includes far more european history.

though to be honest American history is English history too - and should be very relivant if you ask me

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Posted: 6th Aug 2003 19:50
Quote: "though to be honest American history is English history too"


Only up to the American war of independence and the creation of a new country afterwards...


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Posted: 6th Aug 2003 20:01 Edited at: 6th Aug 2003 20:02
Quote: "but until degree level, the only history you are taught is American History. What's wrong with World History? It just seems to compound the feeling that you're either intentionally sheltered, or not interested in the rest of the world."
Oh, we have World History, or should I say "World History that Pertains to America. Here's a brief run down of it.

1.Anicent America, ice age type of stuff.
2.Dark Age Europe
3.Columebus, greatest Europain (spelling?) guy in America
4.USA War of Independance with breif after thought of the France Indapandace
5.USA Cival War
6.Screwing the Indains over
7.WWI
8.Great Depressions effect on the USA
9.WWII
10. current politics of the USA

Oh yeah, that really covers the whole world. What about all the territory wars that Britain had? What about thge fall of the Shoginate? That's one thing that has allways bugged me about the USA education system, hell if it weren't for WWII, the entire Pacific counties would go unknown. That and the fact that there is no standard set of courses when you get into high school. I've had to take exrta classes in some subjects when I moved across state becuase I'ld need more of that subject to pass than the last state. I've moved enough times hile in high school that I've actually missed a few manditory credits and still graduated. I think the US needs to create a nation wide school standard instend of the regional one they got now.

I totally agree that the Government is being bought off by big busiseness (spelling, another side affect of US education ) is bribing the commom man out of his civil rights. It really sucks.

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