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MrTAToad
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Posted: 4th Aug 2003 21:24
You must be rather unfortunate then...


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Posted: 4th Aug 2003 22:58
guess so

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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 01:11
Winblinds : Yep, runs fine on my machines, just obviously uses tonnes of resources. And I want all I can have basically. Even with 512mb of RAM, or even a Gig, you can always do with a little extra. Is just a standard thing I've grown up with.

XP on the other hand. Now it runs nicely, but that fisherprice 10 year old look has to go. Strangely I haven't bothered reverting on this laptop yet, but the other XP home went straight to original Windows look, and my XP Pro machine would be a p*ss take to have that "just out of the Duplo box" look.

Oh, and I never had a problem with XP, both home or pro (I own 3 copies of XP) but then the laptop I did myself, and the 2 other machines were formatted and reinstalled. Essentially one crashed a bit (mainly cos they had installed it like a loaf of bread), so I just reformatted and reinstalled the thing, and the other was seriously badly setup. Stuff it, start from scratch again, is easiest bet. No probs with any of them yet (its been a long time, and one machine would need reinstallation of 98SE/ME every now and again in the old days).

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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 02:00
Hey Rob,

I love that Mac theme you're running, where did you get it?

Thanx.

Wiggett
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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 05:57
well shit raven my computer will crash and get blue screen of death jsut trying to run half life, infact i cant even open mspaint in my profile, it runs fine on other profiles but xp doesnt like mine. an di know i didnt click anythign wrong cause all i did was goto start_> programs-> accessories-> paint. an dit comes up with error could not open mspaint. n ow all my drawing has to be in photoshop. and when i crash while surfing the internet and listening to music, all i do is look at teh forums here and all of a sudden blue screen of death. its mostly winamp3 vs xp's fault. but it nevered happened on 98 i don't fiddle round with hardware nor do i delete programs from the windows dir yet xp still crashes, its cause its new and buggy so get over it. xp = poo but i stil use it cause nothing online seems to run unless you have it (damn microsoft's cornering of pc world)

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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 06:59
yep, microsoft products seem to crash alot especially windows(I know from exp), seems to crash randomly for me, I could be browsing the net, I could be in notepad, I could be on Max(I really hate that cause sometimes it doesn't load the project I was on)

go to http://www.deanliou.com/WinRG/
and click the Run winRg button(in fullscreen)

thats the perfect example of windows

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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 10:19 Edited at: 5th Aug 2003 10:21
Quote: "Hey, Exeat, is that the mac video about how easy the mac is to shut down..."

Yeah it is, I found it so hilarious I just had to save it: "Using a Mac is a little different to using a PC, it's not so much operating computers. It's sort of tricking it, fooling it into doing what you want it to do." lol.

Quote: "I love that Mac theme you're running, where did you get it?"

WindowsBlinds - find it on Download.com

Quote: "Well Raven i just lost my respect for you, because, i am sorry that my straight out the fukkin box dell wasnt setup correctly "

There's your problem right there. It's a Dell. Dell's are by far the worst computers you can buy, they're set up all wrong and are very prone to breaking. And I warn everyone, NEVER, and I mean NEVER buy a Dell Laptop because they are so poorly put together I've witnessed parts fall off them without being touched. Oh, and don't even think about calling Tech Support because they're based in Malaysia and won't understand you.

Oh, and I've NEVER had a problem with XP. The only blue screens I got was when my CPU fan blew and the computer started overheating, a new CPU fan and now it all runs fine again - no crashing, no blue screens of death, no problems at all.

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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 10:35
Reformat and reinstall. As soon as you get every new machine. Simple.

Main problems I've found with Windows (no matter what the version) is CD writeable stuff. If your computer doesn't like a CD-R disk for someone else (normally different software created it) then it can lock up, or simply reboot your machine in a blink (ie. no shutdown whatsoever, or error messages, nothing). Completely pants. And network stuff. If something isn't quite right then all sorts of kooky crap can happen. Although I haven't seen XP get it's knickers in a twist with a network (mainly because we don't use it at work, and my home network is only small).

Had a look at XP styling, and there's some pretty good themes out there. Now have my laptop with funky orange look and nice shading, with raytraced background and login. Tis nice. And uses XP built in styling rather than something like Winblinds which (as Raven says) is something running on top of Windows.

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 14:22
well i'd have to say genetlemen with all those problems its very likely you have Virus' on you computer.

XP Home, Oem & Pro out of the Box work fine for me...
Coporation has some issues with Non-Windows Exclusive programs.
all of the patchs just add to its security & stability in particular service patch 1.0 (1.1 seems to have something wrong with it though and no one knows what).

and Graham if you were really a technitian then you'd know that just because you knew Win95/98 like the back of your hand doesn't mean you know a think about XP.

for one it uses the WinNT 5.0 base (which you'd need to have extensive knowlage of Win2000 as it is a completely different base OS) add to this is the 5.1 update adds alot of exclusive access.
XP has a very different kernel to any other of the windows - although yes it has similar functions... saying "oh i was a technitian"

is like a programmer here saying "oh i knew darkbasic so i know exactly how Pro works" - in theory that works, in practise though its a very different story isn't it.

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if your having REALLY bad problem with XP (which i can guarentee you are your fault in the first place) update to the current Service Pack as it not only corrects alot of the little bugs but it also restores the OS to an original factory setting.
Which does not mean you have a new chance to piss about with it ... once you update it - leave it the hell alone and just use it.

if you want new bootup screens as a mate who knows how they work to do it for your rather than messing with the kernel yourself.
you want your network working, then find follow the steps in the network wizard DO NOT try to setup the network yourself unless your 100% sure of what your doing.

everything in WindowsXP is linked in some way, this is due to the .Net Framework & DirectX backbone - which means you change something you feel is insignificant and it might completely f**kup your entire installation.

people have learn not to mess around with thier Linux installations after they're installed for this very reason, i'm sure you guys can understand that Mirosoft are trying to seperate the adverage "have-a-go" techy from someone who know what the heck thier doing.

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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 17:45
I don't think you can write of all xp problems as either idiots messing it up or a virus. If you have the wrong hardware winxp can be hell.
I remeber once mine would bluescreen for a spit second with some irrelevent error message and restart. The problem was the soundcard was causing an irq conflict. the amusing thing was win98 booted just without sound and took about 30 seconds to find the problem and linux booted with the sound working and was easy to find out the problem. With xp was I expected to call out some microsoft trained person just to pull out the sound card and put it back in again only taking 3 hours of messing about to find the problem. Then charging me a thrid of what the computer cost for a simple fix I could do myself.

Quote: "I'm sure you guys can understand that Mirosoft are trying to seperate the adverage "have-a-go" techy from someone who know what the heck thier doing.
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Funny how a default xp home installation automatically gives you admin privleges . Thats really trying to stop people having a go. Trying to make simple errors impossible for the normal person to diagnose and fix is stupid and proberly just part of some money making scheeme for microsoft.

It also promotes the mysterious black box mentaility a lot of people have towards computers and I can't see how any programmer can encourage that sort of thing.
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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 18:04
Yeah, thats a great video...did you find it from my post...

so i am working late at night and I see this thing bouncing up and own out of the corner of my eye and its the update manager jumping up and down like a jack russel fucking terrier...so im looking for the file it wants me to update but if i accidently click one of them i rename it?!?!?! oh no it was some sort of important system file, and then the computer crashes...

lol, i need to make one about XP

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 18:21
Quote: "Funny how a default xp home installation automatically gives you admin privleges "


yeah but if it didn't you couldn't install anything
and have you tried to delete something your shouldn't...

c:\delete c:\winxp\system32\ntoskrnl.exe

do that... what does does XP do...
!Warning! Are your sure you wish to delete this file. It is important to the continuing operation of the Windows Operating System.

click yes

!Warning! Are you sure you read the previous message and understand all the implications that it provides?

(there are about 4of those types of messages, and thats if you know howto setup accessing system critical files in the first place which is a task an a half)

the hardware i use oftenly is known for its not quite 100% compatibility with Mircosoft Windows Operating systems... and i've still never had a problem.
i seriously can't figure out how anyone has with it. It's like everyone who whinged and moaned about WinMe (again never normal casual users but those types of people who think they know enough to piss around with the OS) ... i never had much trouble with that OS either.

infact the ONLY OS i've had serious trouble with was Win98 which was on my system for around 2weeks, before i had enough of it.

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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 18:37 Edited at: 5th Aug 2003 18:38
Wow, u must be a dumb nerd...i never had any trouble with 98SE ever...lol...98SE was the most stable piece of shit operating system i ever used...yeah it was lame...but man no pretty colors what a loss for effectivness...and 2000...same kernal as XP i believe...yep love 2000...looks like 98...oh yeah...and mine never crashes...

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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 18:48
Quote: "yeah but if it didn't you couldn't install anything"


Thats the point, from a security point of view why use an account that has more access that you need. If you need to install something switch to the other account and install it then switch back. Then if you do something stupid the worst that you could do is delete you own files.
It would make support easyer as unless the user had used the admin account there would be no way for them to mess up the system.

You can't blame all problems on users that don't know what they are doing messing about it's simply not true.

c:\winxp\system32\ntoskrnl.exe
I deleted that file and all it asked me was if I wanted to delete it. I clicked yes and it was gone. Not sure what your point is apart from the fact you can delete system files pretty easerly.
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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 18:49
funny eddie cause i'm not a nerd, and i'm certainly as not the dumb one here considering your comment about the kernels

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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 19:34 Edited at: 5th Aug 2003 19:34
I thought they were both based on NT technology...i may be mistaken...similar yes...this i know...and well as for dumb, i am not cause look at the office i am sitting in...whoa, computer staging at 16, hardware techniciant...lol...well i dont know alot about kernals and that sort of stuff, i do know about networking and thats my specialty...that and maths...complex math...though i am still not good at that...ooh ooh and, like, philosophy stuff...yeah...

I believe your specialty is making enemies with the one who respects your knowledge the most especially when he is only kidding...and since i know little about the kernal might i ask what the kernal is, beside the core component of an operating system...

Oh mighty Raven plz show us your knowledge of the Kernal...maybe one day you will need to know sumthing i know...but u will do what i do for non-DB stuff...use google...so i guess thats no reason to help me...hmm...maybe from the good kind nature of your hea...ok, maybe not there either...

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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 19:55
I do know about xp but does not hide the fact i have still had problems with it in the past not so much now cos like i said in my previous post the updates have fixed most bugs and i have not had to reload windows now for nearly a year on my notebook just on my desktop cos it was crashing everytime i tried to use dbp and some other apps, you can not blame bugs that are in windows on the users i mean why do you think there are so many windows updates? i am constantly downloading new ones every few days it seems.

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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 20:10
you may want to hold off on updates the day they come out to, my office hasnt started to use SP4 for Windows2000 Servers we sell...so they can create unique bugs on theyre own...and you may want to run update after you have ran it once cause i notice there are updates to updates now...

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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 21:00
yeah i'm downloading an update for sp1 now, taking ages to install.

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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 21:27
the bug updates are mostly security... to stop people hacking you, some are system updates to more current technology.

there are very few stability/compatibility patchs for xp (infact there are 2 very minor patchs for it)
one of which is in the Service Pack.

and the kernel is the base of the Operating System, essentially the core functionality of them for handling everything that goes on.
Kinda like a programt hat handles everything else.
through the several hundred DLLs its pretty amusing that Windows itself is only a 1.2mb program

and only when they do a major update (service pack) does it even affect the Kernel itself with bug fixxes. Everything else is what Microsoft now call a "hotfix" - which are things that are not exactly important to fix.

90% of ALL Windows patchs no matter which version are security related ... sometimes you have Windows Driver updates (but its rare)
all the current SP1 does for XP for real fixxes are the compatibility fixx in older windows compatibility mode.

(it actually fixxes bugs in the OLD windows kernel environments sitting on your system and not XP itself to conform with .Net Framework)

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Posted: 6th Aug 2003 06:08 Edited at: 6th Aug 2003 06:09
and yet still i have no problems with it and it runs my lovely 64bit processors flawlessly and faster than RedHat9 in 64bit ... go figure

somehow i'm hoping that one day you might actually take the time to actually LEARN the english language - i mean fgs even Oyaaa has better english than you and he uses a translation site

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Posted: 6th Aug 2003 06:33
Oh come one Raven, isn't it more fun to try to figure out what he's saying.



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Posted: 6th Aug 2003 08:06
lol! raven not a nerd?what is the world coming to.

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Posted: 6th Aug 2003 09:56
I wonder if anyone actually knows what the word "nerd" means and how it originated. It's really quite fascinating. http://dictionary.com for those wondering where you can find out.

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Posted: 6th Aug 2003 10:35
XP? Is like OS for dummies. Can't believe how easy it is. Now go back 15 years or so, and setup everything using DOS. Was most fun. Esp. with networks.

Get a mate who knows XP to change details? Don't think so; get a free product that will do it for you. There's a free one knocking about MS apparently, and a couple of other pretty good ones out there that will apply additional themes to the ones that come with XP (plus login screens etc). And anyhows, it's not as if 99% of mags have advertised how to change things like login screens manually.

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Posted: 6th Aug 2003 15:38
well certain things are simple and won't actually affect how XP runs
its when people feel they can install drivers themselves without using the Automatic installation and thinking that they know which one to choose (for some ungodly reason they always choose VxD rather than WDM - i know drivers often recommend it but they were originally made with Win9x in mind)

another good one is when they try to setup firewalls and personal servers all on thier own... thats just an accident waiting to happen man

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Posted: 6th Aug 2003 21:25
Depends. If you let things get out of hand then it can get pretty messy. If you know what you are doing and whats been installed then no problems. Biggest mistake I made was forgetting my old PC had a firewall on it, so nothing could access it on the network. Utterly forgot it was still loaded in the system tray. So not exactly a major problem there.

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Posted: 6th Aug 2003 21:35
hense my point daz most ppl ain't got a scooby what they're doing - but rather than admit it they'll fudge up thier system and blame it on the OS being buggy.

i mean why not - if you say Windows has a bugs, so many people say it now that everyone will believe it be it true or not.
try to say the same about the Linux OS's lol best have an aspestos suit on because those are perfect OSs

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I've never used Linux before. How is it? I heard its more stable than windows. Can you program Dark Basic on it? I heard there was a direct X emulator, that means I could, ah forget it. My mom will never let me dual boot with XP and Linux.

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Hey adr! Is that gnome you are running? it looks pretty good.
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Main reason Linux is more stable is cos there is a hell of a lot less to install. Which means a hell of a lot less to mix up and cock your system up. Also read somewhere that it doesn't hold a candle to NT/2000 or Unix, when really large systems (eg. big ISP servers) are used.

People are the number one reason why Windows goes wrong. Esp. once you are on a proper NT core system. 9X is just childs play in comparison. An example is where I work. Every now and again I lose my connection to one of the servers. Just gives me access denied messages. But I can still see and access printers and other servers on the system. Just so happens this particular server (BEN for some unknown reason) holds all specifications. Managed services (engineers) claim they haven't the foggiest, blame Windows etc. and reset my account. And it all works again in an hour normally, even if I don't mention it. Now this is just laziness. Easier to blame Windows than a. the stupid software they use instead of the good stuff b. their original setup configuration c. themselves.

Bloody engineers..... defrag, for god sake, does not solve weird system bugs when you have a 100Gb HD thats got 80Gb spare... sigh...

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Ok, here comes my desctop. I like to have everything I'm working with on the desktop, prety much the same way the desk around the computer works =) Games I play often at the moment ends up there too. All programs I use often is in the quicklaunch. I keep the divx player on the desctop to be able to play broken movies through drag&drop.

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Daz i've yet to use a Linux OS which proves that its more stable than Windows.

on a Pentium x86 based system with standard Graphics & Sound, yes it can be extremely stable ... you put it on a system like most of mine
AMD Based Processors Duron/Athlon/AlthonXP/Opteron/Athlon64 with the GeForce line of cards.

stable is probably one of the furthest names i would call Linux...
Unix/FreeBSD/AmigaOS, now those are some mighty stable OSs.
WindowsNT is also very well known for its stability (which is why XP is very heavily based on it)

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Yeah, I've only used Linux a couple of times over the years. First time was back around 1991. Not even sure if it was called Linux then. But it was emulating Unix with a Sun look to it. Was rubbish. Well, it was compared to the seriously cool Sun SparcStations with 21 (at least)inch monitors that we also had access to

Apart from that, installed a distro about 3 years ago or so. Now I come from a background of Unix (Suns/Decs/IBM/DG Aviions mainly) and DOS, so I'm no stranger to getting my fingers muddy. But Linux just didn't want to play ball. Or if it did then it was with drivers that were seriously outdated for my hardware (and nothing else existed). Was a right old pain. Probably is better now though, but I would have to see something rather special to beat XP-Pro.

On the other hand I've heard they can be pretty good for getting your really old machines (133 and a 450 gathering dust on a KVM switch upstairs) running speedy. Esp for small tasks. Friend of mine uses an old machine as a firewall and FTP server on a KVM switch with his main PC. Not bad.

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'Daz i've yet to use a Linux OS which proves that its more stable than Windows.'

Then you haven't done much testing, or you do hardly anything serious with Windows

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yeah... i'm sure that must be it mouse

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=\ All my Linux distros are really stable... but Win 2000 Pro has never ever crashed on me... I keep it up to date...

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Posted: 8th Aug 2003 19:59
puffy what do you do in Linux though?
i don't know any serious artists who use Softimage|XSI or Maya on it ... no one can afford to stop working every 20-30mins just to wait for the memory stack to buffer again properly to regain a normal speed.

and on extremely intensive processing tasks it just crashes outright... scenes of more than 12,000,000 polys textured more than 4lights w/Gi and you can forget about achieving it on a Linux machine.

Windows is quite simply robust and built to last - might not be the fasted OS by far, but it certainly is capable of handling much more.
i mean even my RedHat9 is only capable of handling upto 2processors w/3gb Ram ... WindowsXP allows me to use upto 16 per OS and upto 16Terabyte of Ram. I'll never be able to afford a rig like that but still its good for render farms to run off.

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Quote: "i mean even my RedHat9 is only capable of handling upto 2processors w/3gb Ram"


Thats only because you are making stuff up. Everybody elses redhat9 has at least 4gb high memory support out of the box and upto 64gb with a kernel recompile.

This lack of knowedge on your part proberly explains why

Quote: "i've yet to use a Linux OS which proves that its more stable than Windows."


almost certainly because you haven't got a clue about what you are doing.
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i shouldn't need to have to understand my OS implicitly just to bloody use it and thats my point about Windows being more stable - because the less i know the simpler it is to use and setup.

most Linux you need a bloody degree in the flipping things just to get them to work the same as other people do.
as for 4gb out of the box support, my render machine has 8gb - and Linux only recognises 3gb of it ... Windows recognises it all.

i've not changed linux from the box and i don't intend to either, i shouldn't need to... but even still 64gb is NOT even close to 16tb

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'most Linux you need a bloody degree in the flipping things just to get them to work the same as other people do.'

I find them incredibly easy to work with. You're lost because you lack the technical knowledge to operate them properly.

'i've not changed linux from the box and i don't intend to either'

And you know what? I shouldn't have had to update Windows 98, but it was the most unstable operating system ever designed and crashed whenever I opened two copies of Explorer at once, so I had to pay another 90 bucks for Windows 98SE! Linux is always free from the beginning, and it's a hell of a lot easier to update.

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Posted: 8th Aug 2003 22:21
and thats why i never bought nor wanted Windows98...
as for simpler to update... WindowsME & XP do it all on thier own, the simply tell you when to reboot when they're done.
can't get much simpler than that

i know howto use most Linux (they're not all the same so you can't say you know howto use them all) ... and i know RedHat well.
but i don't intend to alter anything that could potentically damage my system or OS setup.
i shouldn't need to either ... that is something at the core which it should be able to do from the get go.

and although yeah most Linux core ISOs are free, if you want them even close to as functional as Windows then you need alot of the upgrades which DO cost most - Redhat is cheaper than WinXP... but considering you can only do around 1/3 of the things you can in windows - the price really is the same for something that is just not as stable unless you understand the OS and the setup implicitly.

why the hell should i learn an OS to such a degree just to make a bloody 3d model or program??
i shouldn't need to, and with Windows i don't need to. Everything is managed for me, and works when i open it without giving me "your kernel is xx you need xx" ... or "this application requires GTK+ xx" which has me sitting on the net for like 3bloody hours downloading new flipping system that are only used for a single flipping application!

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Posted: 8th Aug 2003 22:33
Quote: "i shouldn't need to have to understand my OS implicitly just to bloody use it and thats my point about Windows being more stable - because the less i know the simpler it is to use and setup.
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You can't call an os unstable because you can't understand it.

Here is a quote from you further up the thread.

Quote: "most ppl ain't got a scooby what they're doing - but rather than admit it they'll fudge up thier system and blame it on the OS being buggy."


So why don't you admit that you don't have a clue when it comes to linux and perhaps your so called stability problems are your doing.
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Posted: 8th Aug 2003 22:40
'as for simpler to update... WindowsME & XP do it all on thier own, the simply tell you when to reboot when they're done.
can't get much simpler than that '

Eugh... I have a feeling that if your machine was hijacked, you'd say 'I don't mind, I've got nothing to hide, he can do anything he wants with my machine!' Bah, Windows fanboys never care about their machine or what's happening inside their system, they just like to read their mail on AOL...

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Posted: 8th Aug 2003 23:35
well why would i care what someone does with my system... as long as they returned it in the same state they found it.
i prefer it when people ASK to use my system and thats how i have it setup - but as long as they ask i don't see the harm.

any sensitive information is never stored on a machine that i'm willing to connect to any network - it is backed up into a floating HDD which is connected to a totally independant system.

as for Linux I KNOW howto use use it, and i know it well ... but i don't want to HAVE to know exactly howto use it just to get it working the way it SHOULD.

there is a difference between knowing what your doing and not WANTING to touch the internals of a system, and not having a f**king clue yet messing with it anyways.
problem with Linux is you can't simply install it as a pickup'n'play thing - you have to understand what your doing, even then to make sure it is stable enough to use you have to set it up SPECIFICALLY for your machine.

Explain to me... why the hell should i have to make sure my kernel is recompiled just so that it is totally stable?
why the hell should i have to know exactly howto use the harddisk partition system just to create a new folder?
why should i need to understand the coding behind networking to setup a network on Linux properly?

if i install an OS out of the Box i expect it to WORK without me needing to know a sodding thing about it ... that is the point in a Graphics Interface User Operating System - to give the user the ability to use the computer without having to worry about how it is all setup.

i'm not going around Linux touching anything, plain, out of the box, Linux should install without me needing to know what brand of graphics card i have and what graphics systems its capable of using.
I shouldn't need to understand all the specs of my system just to install something new ...

i should be able to sit there with a piece of software look at the box and it should say Linux "whatever" compatible... and when i put it in it works... not "Kernel 3.x.2.xx compatible" to first find out which kernel i have and then to find out that even though it is comptible, its not actually compatible until i change umpteen things on the system first. Then it'll work without crashing.

Linux is a great OS for people who like to sit there and find out everything there is to know about thier OS to the point of where they could recode the bloody thing (and oftenly NEED to in order to get things working).

Windows isn't a hassle to me, it runs just as fast as any Linux and i don't have to worry about everything being incomptible or anything like that. I can just click install and it DOES install... i have very simple and easy access to everything and even though i know exactly howto edit my system right down to the core, the chances are i will NEVER EVER need that knowlage in order to do anything on the OS.

i prefer Unix to Linux, always have and always will - simply because it isn't pretending to be something it isn't.
until Linux introduce a STANDARD there will NEVER be stability out of the box ... and Linux won't introduce a standard because of its makeup.

when i use an OS the last thing i want to be worrying about is what my Kernel and plugins are capable of and if they're compatible with everything else - with Windows i don't need to think about using the OS, simply use it.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2003 01:26
If you don't like linux fair enough don't use it just don't make stupid false statments about it.

Quote: "
Explain to me... why the hell should i have to make sure my kernel is recompiled just so that it is totally stable?
why the hell should i have to know exactly howto use the harddisk partition system just to create a new folder?
why should i need to understand the coding behind networking to setup a network on Linux properly?"


If you don't want to do any of that use one of the newer hand holding distros or use windows. If you can't even grasp the use of "mkdir" it's proberly best you stick with windows.

Quote: "i prefer Unix to Linux, always have and always will - simply because it isn't pretending to be something it isn't."


I can think of a lot of more important things to be thinking about when making the choice between os.
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Posted: 9th Aug 2003 02:19
It isn't pretending to be something it isn't? Oh, please. Linux is a stable, powerful, and generally user-friendly operating system that beats the crap out of Windows. Unix? Fine with me. It reminds me of someone who refused to upgrade from Windows 3.1 because he said 'Windows XP is just not as good'. He didn't give any reasons, of course, just like Raven, but...

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Posted: 9th Aug 2003 02:40
Yeah i agree mouse but the only draw back is it's not practical for home users to have on their systems, well at least not yet maybe one day.

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No, it's not, but for smart people with time to set it up, it's a godsend.

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