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Tapewormz
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Hey,

Anyone here from north american and know if Real Game Tools is now officially dead? If so, does this mean that we're stuck with the IDE that's still buggy in it's current patched state?

Man, I should have bought my DBP through The Game Creators. My bad.
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Andy Igoe
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Most of the DB coders I have spoken to have found some alternative to the provided editor, none of them are as truly integrated though. I did consider writting one for a few minutes, then I realised it would be a DB app and probably hogging far too much system overhead - although i've thought of one possible solution whilst I write this, it wouldn't be a clean one.

As far as I can tell GuyS couldn't get on the internet for some time and to the uninformed observer this appears to have cost him his business. Despite my disbelief in the business practices it takes for that to happen it does appear to be the case, I dont wish to flame GuyS or his business but frankly what are we to think?

The forums at RGT are still working, blazooned at the top is the same message that has been there for months on end about a computer failure that cost him a load of doe.

I wish we could get some kind of announcement from DBS/TGC about it, but I hazard a guess they are as much in the dark as we are.

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He surely must be able to get on the internet now, after all its been 2 months since the message appeared and several before that.

The IDE needs a serious update now - its getting a bit long in the tooth.


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I know that DBS, sorry, TGC are fulfiling all unfulfilled RGT orders. And that's it.

PneumaticDryll: dO YOU HAVE A LINK TO ANY ide'S? (agh caps lock)

With Darkbasic it was easy to create your own ide, but with pro they have become for more integrated. I also considered making one.

One thing which i really think would be nice is:

- You have one file of 100 lines
- You have an include file of 100 lines

Instead of getting "runtime error at line 158" you get "runtime error at line 58 on <includedfile>". It would make life a lot easier.

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Creating an IDE for DBPro isn't much different to DB. There are a couple of alternative IDEs in the works at the moment that I've seen, so all hope is not yet lost.

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Yes, RGT seems to have dissappearred completely, which is an unfortunate state of affairs indeed. However, easily the most useful part, the forum, is still available at http://www.realgametools.net/forums/index.php

Surely it wouldn't take much for GuyS to simply redirect the domains here with a tracking script and simply act as an affiliate, considerring the ammount of visitors RGT.com still gets from word of mouth AND search engines

Obviously I'm not having a go at GuyS, I don't know exactly whats going on at his end, but it does seem a foolish way to run a business when a simple and quick solution would have been far more effective and professional

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Yeah, I'm also one who considered programming an IDE but decided against it because the current more then suffices (with the exception of a number of bugs). Anyway, hopefully we'll get a look at some alternates sometime and if they fair well then I might consider swapping over.

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Quote: "Creating an IDE for DBPro isn't much different to DB. There are a couple of alternative IDEs in the works at the moment that I've seen, so all hope is not yet lost."


OK i've not seen them, so can you please pass on this simple little feature request.

For all it's faults when I go back to it, one of the single greatest programming features of the AMOS Pro IDE was that you could press Ctrl-M - then a Ctrl-any key keyboard hotkey - then everything you typed was bound to that hotkey until you clicked the mouse.

It was awesome for code indentation and unindentation. You've seen my code Rich, I am Mr. Indent. Infact if I change my handle (which I might considering I have "dump in rectally" as an anagram) then that'd probably be it.

It was great for so many things, and I still miss it today.

Also nice would be a search tool that doesn't replace what you just searched for. A goto line number tool that works beyond line 100 (afterall it is line number error messages that we get) and a slightly less sophisticated and more user friendly replace feature (too many options, too easy to mess everything up).

Oh yes, and includeable media (selecteable by directory) and file properties information would be considered a bonus.

It would also be nice to be able to have several projects open at once for copy/pasting rather than having to use notepad, and it would be a real bonus if the line editing selection tools such as shift-end selections excluded home/end program jumps, so when I delete a line I stop accidentally deleting my entire program...

There's plenty more, but one step at a time

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So who is doing the alternative IDE's ?


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So who is doing the alternative IDE's ?

No idea - never heard anything 'til now

One that is interesting is the lack of comments from TGC staff about RGT (insert rolleyes smily here)

I thought with so many people asking about them maybe we could be dignified with an answer from the people who know most?

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Quote: "I thought with so many people asking about them maybe we could be dignified with an answer from the people who know most?"

We'll have to see...


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How would you create an IDE for pro or Classic?

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yes mr Guy has disapeared..............the IDE needs updating yes is it going to get updated.........well although I heard rumours that GuyS was working on it.........I think not, so we are all just gonna have to hang tight for now

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Quote: "yes mr Guy has disapeared..............the IDE needs updating yes is it going to get updated........."


Is it just me or do those two statements contradict eachother?

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I wonder what has happened to Guy.
lunarpixel and cockatoocottage are both hosted by him.
I wish he would reply, something big must have happenned for him not to return for this length of time.

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Theres a punctuation error Exeat but nothing major. Just insert a question mark after the word yes. Actually make that a dozen periods.

I would be happy to write a new editor for DBPro if enough people are interested in it to be worthwhile, however I would write it in DBPro and that may actually have technical issues with overhead. I don't think the multiwait command is really potent enough to freeze the task and having a batch file launcher would be messy.

I guess then that I too will be waiting for one of these mysterious replacements.

I did hear one of the IRC crew 'adr' thinking about setting up some macro's and highlighting defaults for a C++ designed editor that I think was called something similar "Cronoed", but that's the nearest i've heard to a solution so far, and that would not be 'integrated' to the same extent as the built in editor.

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DBP hardly seems ideal to create editors of its own. Big file sizes, long loading times, and as you mentioned, multi-program compatibility issues. Personally I'm quite happy with what I've got... I just wish the few bugs I encounter often would go away .

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Guy has had some personal problems to deal with.

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They cant still be on-going, can they !?


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Quote: "Theres a punctuation error Exeat but nothing major. Just insert a question mark after the word yes. Actually make that a dozen periods."


Ahh, thanks. Makes a lot more sense if you replace them with question marks.

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Quote: "So who is doing the alternative IDE's ?"


Darthpuff is making one for Luma, and its pretty sweet too. I'm sure if anyone can get ahold of him he could add DB/DBP support.
Also there are several people on PureBasic.com who are making some good IDEs that could be easily edited.

Rather than starting one yourself without knowing the first clue, i'd strongly suggest you ask a proven IDE developer to make one because it is one HELL of alot of work.

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Especially the damn syntax highlighting.

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Which is one reason I'm not doing one...


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maybe guy died lol

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Quote: "Especially the damn syntax highlighting."


I manged to get that done in VB plus i've found a code snippet of planetsourcecode.com which seems to have some pretty neat highlighting.

If anybody could tell me HOW to address the compiler (other than Sir) a bit like this:

dbpcomiler.exe /c "myfile.dba"

then i'd be more than happy to oblige and have a go


Quote: "maybe guy died lol"


The thought had crossed my mind

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i mean, it could have happened.

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i mean, it could have happened.

Surely not, he must have been on the RGT some time in the past months?

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Quote: "If anybody could tell me HOW to address the compiler"

You pass it the .dbpro file.


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Quote: ""If anybody could tell me HOW to address the compiler"
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Understanding the command switches to give to the compiler, and the replies it gets is easy, just write this simple DBPro app and compile it in a small window:



Now all you need to do is replace the compiler with this and you can learn the command switches. It simply reads back the command parameters given to a program.

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Yeh I missed a question mark . If it really bothers you sue me

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So how would you create an IDE?

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Well, first off you would buy a compiler, or perhaps get a free one that lets you design the windows layout.


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Quote: "So how would you create an IDE?"


- open VB

- draw stuff on screen

- spend sleepness nights tyring to get colour coding figured out

- release IDE

I'll try and figure out the switches in the morning. night

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big help. I do know VB, so how would i?

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Well if you know VB you should know how...............the syntax highlighting would be a bugger...........I think if I found out how to do that it wouldnt be very hard.

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If a new IDE was made I would love it to be like VB or VC++. A visual DB would be my dream platform.
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I don't see that happening anytime soon considering DBP isn't control-operated meaning you would have to rewrite the whole language. Oh, and 3D games aren't so dependant on controls anyway.

Quote: "I manged to get that done in VB plus i've found a code snippet of planetsourcecode.com which seems to have some pretty neat highlighting."


Yeah I think I remember seeing that PSC entry when I considered writing a new IDE in VB as well. Anyway, would be cool to see a new IDE done. I could help if anyone needed it

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big help. I do know VB, so how would i?

If you knwo VB then it'd be easy! Just add a text box to a form and you have an IDE.

Then add saving.

Then add something to run the code:




Quote: "Well if you know VB you should know how...............the syntax highlighting would be a bugger...........I think if I found out how to do that it wouldnt be very hard. "


I actually managed to make an IDE... i'll see if I can get a screenshot soon (though it was for my own language, not DB but it's easily modified).

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There are a couple of components for Delphi that do the Syntax Highlighting for you. Guy, for example, used this one: http://www.dream-com.com/editor.html and modified it to his needs (to add function folding and so on).
It's not a very difficult task to do it but it something that takes its time. So I'd only do it if I was paid well enough.

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There's a free C/C++ library for windows that has highlighting and function folding : http://www.scintilla.org/

It's available as a DLL, a static lib, or source code.
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-- edit lol.. you posted while I was typing IanM!

If you *really* want to make an editor then I suggest you look at the Scintilla (http://www.scintilla.org) component. I use the example editor "SciTE" at work and it rules. Best of all, it's freeee... (I think).

Rather than make your own IDE, you could just customise someone elses. As Mr Dryll pointed out, I offered to make a syntax doodahh for crimson editor (www.crimsoneditor.com). I used this editor when I worked with windows and it's very good in my opinion. One problem is that I don't know how the compiler brings in all the sources ...

Is it just a space separated list of files?

anyone?
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Well in any case, if there isn't a new decent IDE out in a couple months and I have some spare time then I'll get on it but at the moment it looks like quite a few people are already considering the project so I'll wait for them first

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what's wrong with the current IDE? i haven't encountered any bugs in the latest version.

stop looking at me!
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Oh there are many, many, many bugs. I could list them all but they're too numerous.

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Quote: "what's wrong with the current IDE? i haven't encountered any bugs in the latest version."


To be completely honest I haven't found any either - apart from the html help sporadically crashing and plugins sometimes not working.

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i never need the help and i never use the plugins. so maybe that's why i've never come across anything...

not to mention i seem to be quite lucky as i'm about the only person who hasn't lost like 5000 lines of code because the editor saves files wrong or something. i've never had that happen.

stop looking at me!
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Quote: "plugins sometimes not working"

Which plug-ins are those ?

Quote: "i'm about the only person who hasn't lost like 5000 lines of code because the editor saves files wrong or something. i've never had that happen"

Very lucky, I must say...


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The DBPro ide power tools - sometimes I run then and editor.exe has an illegal operation. Only about once every two weeks.

Quote: ""i'm about the only person who hasn't lost like 5000 lines of code because the editor saves files wrong or something. i've never had that happen""


Very, very lucky.

However I once totally lost code (wasn't recoverable from .bak files) as I opened one project andclosed another, the new projeft open but replaced one of the source files with one from the old project... so I ended with with a mix-n-match project.


When GuyS comes back he's gonna have a field day replying to this lot! (that is if he comes back )

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Yes, dont use the PowerTools - have no need for them.

Surely not the auto indent? that is the best feature of the editor! (though it is not really a feataure of the editor)

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