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Posted: 24th Jun 2011 14:37 Edited at: 24th Jun 2011 14:39
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Quote: "we produced the WarSetup tutorial for others to learn from"


Where can I find this tutorial??

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Ok, just found the link to the pdf on the first post. Sorry...

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Posted: 24th Jun 2011 14:49
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Thought I would have a go at a logo, hope u like.



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Posted: 24th Jun 2011 14:58
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Nice, Juney.

Here's my latest attempt. I made the banner 600x120, and added some room to promote your game/app. Whut do you guyz think?



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Posted: 24th Jun 2011 15:25 Edited at: 24th Jun 2011 15:25
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The banners all look good. My personal favourite is Deathead's so far. Like Baxslash says, a banner of width 700 makes usage in the newsletter possible.

How about a standard for the game image too. This is just a hack'n'slash example of a template...



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Posted: 24th Jun 2011 15:39 Edited at: 24th Jun 2011 15:42
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Nice work guys!

@mr_d, I have yet to submit my installer for Beta testing so I may still have a chance to try an installer if I can find it. The page for uploading my game 'times out' every time I try to open it on the AppUp Dev site GGrrrrr!!! I think I may have broken it somehow...

Quote: "Ok, just found the link to the pdf on the first post. Sorry..."

I only just put those new links in there. Glad they were helpful!

I'll give it a little longer before I decide on a banner. Shall we say 12:30pm GMT Monday 27th June?

If possible post which one you like the best (no voting for your own ) Sunday / Monday and I'll take a community vote into account. If you want to vote put it up like this:

BANNER VOTE
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1st-@forumname1-"The one with the flames and batwings"
2nd-@forumname2-"The one with the pink pony on it"

...please no pink ponies...

EDIT: Just saw your post batvink. Great idea leaving spaces for the game images! Usage of this kind of format will be a huge advantage...

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Posted: 24th Jun 2011 15:44
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One final point. Spelling is all important too! The name of the group can be written as:
TGC AppUp Developers Group
or
AppUp TGC Developers Group

...but a winning entry could be 're-made' if the spelling / wording isn't quite right!

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Posted: 24th Jun 2011 15:45 Edited at: 24th Jun 2011 15:48
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Ok made it 700px wide. Want your opinions... Shine or no shine?

Changed the shine and changed "developer group" to "developers group".

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Posted: 24th Jun 2011 15:47
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Great Deathead! No shine please as Steve likes to add his own shine for the newsletter to keep them all the same...

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Ok changed it.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2011 16:26
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Quote: "I remember reading somewhere that the max size for a picture in a signature is 600x120...I think"

I think that's correct as well; but if the newsletter requires one of width 700 maybe the banner designers could create one of each size?
Quote: "Quote: "Have you had validation failed because of this yourself?"

As far as I am aware I am the only forum member to get an Appup validated using WarSetup - does that tell anything?, and thats why, with baxslash, we produced the WarSetup tutorial for others to learn from, but appears no one has read/followed."

I think you are reading too much into my question - it was not intended as a slight in any way; I just wanted to know if you have a submission fail because it did not install with administrator rights;
Although your answer probably does answer the question, it may not have as there is a difference in confirming a positive as opposed to disproving a negative (hope I got that right...) take for e.g. the following: "All fish can swim" although true, does not mean "All things that can swim are fish". So in your case, just because your installer validated with admin set; does not mean either 1. all installers with admin set will validate, nor 2. that installers with the admin not set will fail validation. hope you understand where I'm coming from.
I appreciate the work and effort both you and baxslash have put into the guide (and I actually did read it and used this as the basis to test my install maker) - so I thank you.

Quote: "@mr_d, I have yet to submit my installer for Beta testing so I may still have a chance to try an installer if I can find it. The page for uploading my game 'times out' every time I try to open it on the AppUp Dev site GGrrrrr!!! I think I may have broken it somehow..."

That's good news (for me anyway... ) I will work on an updated version over the weekend as I mentioned before with additions/changes as given previously; but until then I think I found the problem (another one) with the existing version.
It seems it is to do with that other bane of Windows, being spaces within paths and files. So if your exe is located in a folder path with spaces, or your game exe has spaces, if possible, rename it with underscores or dashes instead. Not the best option I know...

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Posted: 24th Jun 2011 16:39 Edited at: 24th Jun 2011 18:20
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Quote: "So if your exe is located in a folder path with spaces, or your game exe has spaces, if possible, rename it with underscores or dashes instead. Not the best option I know..."

That could have been the problem. My folder name was "Football Factors".

Regarding the banner. I'll allow any size entry for now and we'll make a 'correct size' banner and signature based on the winning design. Allow some space as Deathead and batvink have shown in recent posts and I'll 'cut' a standard sized hole out in my GIMP template, which I'll post here when we're finished...

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Posted: 24th Jun 2011 18:19 Edited at: 24th Jun 2011 18:20
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Here is my effort:


...and one with game images:


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Posted: 24th Jun 2011 19:02 Edited at: 24th Jun 2011 19:31
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and one more from me ...




Edit: I think i prefer "TGC" coming before the "Appup" as well, so i have now changed it to that.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2011 19:03 Edited at: 24th Jun 2011 19:07
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Here is an early draft of the "AppUp Developers Guide" I'm working on. I've taken out some incomplete stuff and there are a lot of hints and tips to add as yet but it's a start...

AppUp Developers Guide V1.0

Nice work Juney!

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Posted: 25th Jun 2011 00:18 Edited at: 27th Jun 2011 13:30
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Ok, time to put in my votes.

1. Baxslash - the one with the building blocks (I couldn't think of another name for them) - INVALID VOTE
2. Hodgey (me, well ofcourse I'm going to vote for my own banner ) - the blue one with the badge on it. Here it is for those who have missed it. - INVALID VOTE


The space on the side is for personalisation or, in the unlikely event that it is picked for the newsletter, you could insert the AppUp logo.

Good luck to everyone else who submitted a banner

Are we allowed to put the 700x118 banners in our signatures or are they too big?

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Quote: "well ofcourse I'm going to vote for my own banner "

...

Nice banner though

Quote: "Are we allowed to put the 700x118 banners in our signatures or are they too big?"

I would make a smaller version around 600x120 for your sig. I'll make a smaller version of the winning banner anyway...

Thanks for the vote!

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Posted: 25th Jun 2011 14:19
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I had another go at designing cool logo's and banners for our TGC AppUp Developers Group, and here are teh results. Hope you guyz like 'em?

LOGO:





BANNER:





Whut do you think?

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Nice banners The Slayer. I think I am liking your 3rd display down the best. I'm not going to vote just yet as I think we could see some more good entries in by Monday morning but that one could be a winner IMO.

Infact all the entries so far have been very good, each having their own angle, so I am not surprised that baxslash has indicated that voting will be taken into account (as part of the overall judging criteria).

Good luck anyway

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Excellent work The Slayer!! I know where my vote's going...

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Thanks, Juney!

Quote: "Infact all the entries so far have been very good"

Yep yep, some nice entries we have here atm.
Good luck to you too.

Quote: "Excellent work The Slayer!! I know where my vote's going..."

Thank you, baxslash! Good to know. And, good luck with yours too.

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Posted: 26th Jun 2011 02:06 Edited at: 26th Jun 2011 03:12
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The banners are getting really hard to choose from now, we are going to have to set a deadline otherwise I might just keep chaning my vote.

@ The Slayer: I think your first one (tgc symbol without shine/glow) is terrific. Your previous ones were good but I think they were a bit too artistic for this kind of banner.

When people are putting space(s) for personalisation, could you guys please make one without the predefined spaces. I, unfortunately don't have 2,3, 4 or 8 apps to fill those gaps and I like to add a bit of text. Thanks

[Edit]My final entry (updated version of my previous entry) is in my signature. I will make it bigger if the design wins.

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Thanks, Hodgey! Yep, you're right, my first banners where too artistic.
I had another go at a banner and logo design, so here it is:

LOGO:



BANNER:



Quote: "When people are putting space(s) for personalisation, could you guys please make one without the predefined spaces. I, unfortunately don't have 2,3, 4 or 8 apps to fill those gaps and I like to add a bit of text. Thanks
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Especially for you, I made a banner version where you can put text aswell.



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@ The Slayer: each time you make a new banner it is better than the last. So I'm going to have to wait for a deadline before I re-cast my votes because you could produce 10 new banners in that time and who knows how awesome that'll look.

Quote: "Especially for you, I made a banner version where you can put text aswell."

You are a champion, much appreciated, thanks The Slayer.

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The latest one is really great too The Slayer. I think I would like it even more without the scrolls on the letters though. A bit too flowery for my liking.

If anyone is looking for the Intel font it is called "Neo Sans", I think you have to pay for commercial use but this is a none commercial 'Intel' specific useage so I think that's OK

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Hey Guys, I've loaded up a new (and hopefully better) version (v1.0) of my MiniMSIMaker tool with the following improvements:
- much smaller file (and installer) size
- redeveloped in VB6 so noticeably faster than before
- buttons renamed and slightly changed for easier use
- some tool-tips added for slightly more info
- removed requirement of a 3rd party executable file (for GUIDs)
- settings saved to ini file under current users "appdata" folder
- can now handle spaces in folder paths and file names
- WiX log files automatically displayed after the build process
...and maybe more that I can't remember at the moment
So please try this out and let me know you comments.

@baxslash
Sorry, but I haven't had the time to look at the custom icon choosing functionality you suggested as yet, so at the moment it still requires an icon file (.ico) with the same base name of your exe file (and located in the same folder as well). This will have to be feature for the future (if there is enough interest for it to be worked on).

linky: http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=185508&b=8&p=0
Cheers.

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Thanks mr_d, I'll try it for my next attempt over the next few days...

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Couldn't wait...

Here are the Wix log file contents (failed)...
WiX_Step1.log:
Quote: "
Microsoft (R) Windows Installer Xml Compiler version 3.0.5419.0
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

214032.wxs
C:\Program Files\The Game Creators\Dark Basic Professional Online\Published\Football Factors\AppUp\Installer\AppFolder mr_d\214032.wxs(1527) : error CNDL0230 : The Component/@Guid attribute's value '*' is not valid for this component because it does not meet the some of the criteria for having an automatically generated guid. Only components with no ODBCDataSource child elements and either exactly one file which is the key path or no files and a registry with no Property substitutions as the key path may use an automatically generated guid."


WiX_Step2.log:
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light.exe : error LGHT0103 : The system cannot find the file 'C:\Program Files\The Game Creators\Dark Basic Professional Online\Published\Football Factors\AppUp\Installer\AppFolder mr_d\214032.wxsobj' with type 'Source'.
"


Any ideas what this means?

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@Hodgey:
Thanks, dude. And, no problem.

Quote: "I think I would like it even more without the scrolls on the letters though. A bit too flowery for my liking."

Yep, you're right. I had the same thought about that, so I fixed that. This time better, I hope.

LOGO:



Quote: "Hey Guys, I've loaded up a new (and hopefully better) version (v1.0) of my MiniMSIMaker tool "

Good luck with your new app, mr_d. This tool could save us a lot of headaches, so I hope you can make it work. And, well done on getting your online scoreboard on AppUp!

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Excellent work The Slayer! Much nicer!

mr_d I really hope you stick it out with the miniMSImaker as TS just said, it could save a lot of headaches. Thanks again for your work on this!

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@baxslash
Quote: "Here are the Wix log file contents (failed)...
WiX_Step1.log: blah blah blah
Any ideas what this means?"

???!!!! Nope. I'm stumped first go. the second log message is just a result of the first stage failing, so that's expected; but that first message is very strange and new to me...from the sounds of it, it is saying it has something to do with a database somehow...do you happen to make use of one, and if so could you give me a few details?

@The Slayer and baxslash
Quote: "Good luck with your new app, mr_d. This tool could save us a lot of headaches, so I hope you can make it work. And, well done on getting your online scoreboard on AppUp!"

Quote: "mr_d I really hope you stick it out with the miniMSImaker as TS just said, it could save a lot of headaches. Thanks again for your work on this!"

Thanks for the encouragement - it's needed as I really expected this version to have cleared up all the problems experienced before; but now it looks like there are new ones popping their heads up.
But don't worry, I won't give up trying to make this work; as it's become a challenge that I need to overcome for the sake of my own ego.

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Quote: "it is saying it has something to do with a database somehow...do you happen to make use of one, and if so could you give me a few details?"

No I don't. Very strange...

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Just checking...you are using WiX v3.5 right? If not, then please try that - I believe you can use the zip archive to install to it's own folder and this won't disrupt your existing installed version (if different).
Otherwise, I'll have to create a new version that will allow the posting of the generated WiX file to my website - but not sure how this would go down with users as they may have security concerns with what info is actually sent to me... So I hope it is just a version issue...

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Quote: "Just checking...you are using WiX v3.5 right? If not, then please try that - I believe you can use the zip archive to install to it's own folder and this won't disrupt your existing installed version (if different).
Otherwise, I'll have to create a new version that will allow the posting of the generated WiX file to my website - but not sure how this would go down with users as they may have security concerns with what info is actually sent to me... So I hope it is just a version issue..."

I'll have to check. It's been a while since I installed it so that could be it. I'll check tonight if I get on the machine...

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With the banners, I think we need to cast votes very soon if we want it to appear in the next newsletter. So are there any final submissions people are working on or wish to submit before long?

@ Baxslash, any response from Intel yet regarding the petition?

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Quote: "With the banners, I think we need to cast votes very soon if we want it to appear in the next newsletter. So are there any final submissions people are working on or wish to submit before long?"

I can confirm that there will be something in the newsletter regarding the banners and I'm working on it today. As I said the winner will be announced at 12:30pm (ish) today GMT (in around 3.5 hrs) so any final submissions will need to be in quick to get a vote!!

Any more votes? I'll cast mine in a few hours.

Quote: "any response from Intel yet regarding the petition?"

Nothing yet. I'll let you all know the minute I hear anything...

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Well, i'm going to cast my vote. Sorry if there are any late enries and i have not accounted for them.
Very difficult to split the top ones but here goes;

1) The Slayer, The blue banner with 8 greyish "app squares" posted on 26th

2) Hodgey, as per his new signature

3) baxslash, multi- squares.

(I've had to add a 3rd cos they are all good.)

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Banner Vote
1st - TheSlayer - Latest version with the electric writing (love it)
2nd - Deathead - Purple background
3rd - Hodgey - Latest version with gold badge on blue background

I couldn't decide between Hodgey and Juney's entries for third so I flipped a coin (sorry Juney)...

Get your votes in, I'm giving 15 points for a first choice, 10 for second and 5 for third then I'll announce the winner in a short while.

So far it's very close!

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Time for my votes, made my previous ones invalid as they were premature.

Banner Vote
1st - Blue one with the electricity going through the text by The Slayer. Posted on 27th.

2nd - The building blocks or "multi-squares" by Baxslash

Quote: "I couldn't decide between Hodgey and Juney's entries for third so I flipped a coin (sorry Juney)..."

Don't worry Juney I'll even that out

3rd - The electric one with the 3D text by Juney

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Now it's really close! Neck and neck.

Any more? You have around 30 mins...

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hope i'm not too late with my banner vote...
1. The Slayer's - the last one with the electricity running horizontally through the writing.
2. The Slayer's - the one first blue one with the scrolly things on some of the letters (except I'd like it without those decorations).

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That's fine mr_d added your vote... not so close any more!

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...and the winner is...

TheSlayer!!!

The latest version and previous were both voted for above all others so I'm counting them as the same entry. Partly because he got so many votes but also because I think it'll make a great banner.

I'll be in touch with you Chris to discuss making the final signature and banner images and then I'll post the final versions for all to share.

For all who entered there will be a mention in the newsletter and I'll post at least one image from everyone who entered in the article too!

Well done everyone for some great images. I really appreciate all your efforts!

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Ow, you guyz already started to vote? Well, here are my votes. Hope I'm not too late?

1st - Deathead

2nd - Baxslash

3rd - Juney and Hodgey. (couldn't decide)

Also, a lot of thanks to al who voted for me. Thanks, guyz!

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Congratulations The Slayer, you did do a fantastic job with the banners and ahh...next time I won't hold back

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For all who entered there will be a mention in the newsletter and I'll post at least one image from everyone who entered in the article too"

Thanks Baxslash, can't wait to see the next issue of the newsletter now!

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Quote: "Ow, you guyz already started to vote? Well, here are my votes. Hope I'm not too late?

1st - Deathead

2nd - Baxslash

3rd - Juney and Hodgey. (couldn't decide)"

Yay that means I win!

Just kidding... well done all!

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Posted: 27th Jun 2011 15:18
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Uhm, it seems that I was a bit too late. Was too busy with my adventure game, I guess.

Quote: "...and the winner is...

TheSlayer!!!"

Yaaaay! Thanks guyz, for all your votes. I really appreciate that.

Quote: "I'll be in touch with you Chris to discuss making the final signature and banner images and then I'll post the final versions for all to share."

Great. I'll check my inbox more often. Heheheh.

Quote: "Congratulations The Slayer, you did do a fantastic job with the banners and ahh...next time I won't hold back"

Hehheeheh, I hope you wont hold back next time, Hodgey.

Well done for all the banner entries. Some great work.

RULES, MAN! YEAH, SLAYER!
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Posted: 27th Jun 2011 15:39
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Nice one The Slayer, well done. I would have picked yr "electric text" one as well but I thought we were voting on banners and you had that as a sign so i excluded that one. Just means overwhelmingly that one was the best.

@baxslash, nice of you to display some of the runners up in the newsletter, do we all win a netbook? lol

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Posted: 27th Jun 2011 15:46 Edited at: 27th Jun 2011 15:49
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Quote: "nice of you to display some of the runners up in the newsletter, do we all win a netbook? lol"

If I win the Lottery this week then yes... I guess I'd have to actually buy a ticket for that to happen though

EDIT: The good news is TGC are happy for us to include their logo in our banner!

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Posted: 27th Jun 2011 16:29 Edited at: 27th Jun 2011 16:32
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Does anyone have any updates to WIP's or news they would like me to announce? Could just be an update on a previous WIP or anything?

Any news on Radar? How's your adventure game going TheSlayer?

Email me if you have anything as I'm putting the finishing touches to the newsletter article...

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Posted: 27th Jun 2011 19:08
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My thanks to Steve Vink for getting the name changed on the thread. We are now officially "TGC AppUp Developers Group"!

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