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Work in Progress / [LOCKED] BlueIDE - Beta 2 available.

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Rob K
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Posted: 8th Dec 2003 21:38 Edited at: 1st Apr 2004 23:38
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Update: The latest version of BlueIDE is RC4 - Download RC4 (3.3MB). If you have not already installed BlueIDE before, you will probably need to install the Common Components Updater (3.3MB)

This adds many new features and has many Beta 2b bugs fixed. (See Page 9 For Details)

Hi folks,

Just to announce that Beta 2 of BlueIDE, the alternative, open source editor for DarkBASIC Pro is now available.

New features include:
- Bookmarks
- Improved media browser
- Full project search (the original IDE only searches the current file)
- Search code for function / var / type references
- Project Management (colour coded to-dos, notes & version history)
- Save-On-Compile
- Assign shortcut keys to functions / bookmarks / labels etc.

Go here for screenshots, a full feature list and download: http://blueide.sf.net (7MB) <- Binaries & Source Code

Full Changelog (Bug fixes / updates since Beta 1)


Apologies for the large download - the media browser is written in DBPro - therefore a 3MB exe compressed

If you have any problems running BlueIDE, can you include in your reply whether or not you have VB on your PC

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I get a comctrl32.ocx missing error.
I don't have vb 6 installed.

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Nothing happens when i run it. Just get the hour glass on my mouse for a moment and I get a critical stop sound.
I dont have vb 6 installed
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Ditto on the comctrl32.ocx missing error. I have neither VB6 nor have I installed the IDE before.

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@the_winch / Usermlsra

OK, updated the installer with the COMCTL32.OCX file, please re-download it. Thanks

@AramusM

Odd, try going into wherever you installed BlueIDE and deleting the blue.exe.manifest file.


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Hi rob
same as the_winch
Just downloaded and instaled the updated instaler

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Posted: 9th Dec 2003 03:04 Edited at: 9th Dec 2003 03:04
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Success! The updated install dealt with the problem quite quickly. I've just started using your IDE, but already I like it! Excellent Work, Rob K!

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Yes - the last two problems seem to have been sorted. I'll need to continually try compiling to see if that silly corrupt exe still happens, but it seems to be working fine at the moment...


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It's working now
I think the old uninstaller must have killed comctrl32.ocx, I am sure I manually installed it for beta 1.

The warning this project is allready being compiled message box pops up every compile I do with F5. I take it that was the cause of the corrupt exe problem in previous versions?
Perhaps it would be better not to pop up a message box at all if the compile is triggered by pressing F5.

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Hi rob,deleted other downloads and downloaded new install

(component 'MSCOMCTL.OCX'ore one of its dependecies not
correctly registerd:a file is missing ore invalid)

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Just changed the colors of everything for fun in the IDE, and when I loaded it up again, it had reverted to normal. Just tested it again, and it did so again, so it wasn't a one time issue. Not a big issue, for me anyways, but I thought you should know.

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w00t! A new beta? WOOHOO! It must be Christmas!

Downloading now... !!

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And, just to share the festival fun, I've just bought your BLUE GUI Rob!

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Oh. Despite having a 10meg / second broadband line its only downloading at 2kb / sec. Estimated completeion time is over an hour.

Maybe I'll try again in a few days time when all the rush to download it has died down a bit. :-(

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Can your e-mail system handle a 7mb file ? If so, let me know and I'll e-mail it to you.


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Thats a kind offer TCA but happily I tried again and this time it downloaded fine. Quality! I am already amusing myself with messing about with it.

One thought immediately occurs. Open file is restricted to *.dba and *.dbpro files. How about *.bak files as well for those post cock-up frantic repair moments?

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@Philip

I can get a full speed download on my 528Kb/s broadband (50KB download) at the moment, maybe the server had some issues last night.

@Usermlsra

I haven't written the code to save custom colour selections yet, that's why it doesn't work.

@the_winch

That dialog pops up if the exefile specified by your project exists, but cannot be deleted / overwritten due to it being open / readonly. I added that in as a last minute fix to prevent people hitting the compile button whilst the project was compiling, I'll probably need to change the way it checks.


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still no luck

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Setup keeps asking me to "insert Disk #2", then I must browse for a "blueide_beta2.2" filename. Of course, all I have is a setup file so... any ideas?


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The download was also only 500kb as oppose to the previously mentioned '7MB', so maybe you uploaded a patch over the full install?


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Or maybe you accidently downloaded the Small Version, which is meant to act as a patch for ealier Betas?

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Nope, it was the full one. Tried it 3 times.

Ok, that's just wierd. The link's purple so it means I MUST have clicked it right? Yet, this time when I try it's 7MB!
Only thing I can think of is Rob was in the middle of uploading a new version or something when I first tried.


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Anyway time for my crit.

Very nice, quite a lot better then the Default IDE. Anyway, a couple suggestions:

-Give the CHM Help a Hotkey (maybe F2? Doesn't really matter what).

-Make the Project Organisation Stay On Top, I think it's as easy as: "Form2.Show 1, Me" but then again, that might make it a Diag box and the original form unfocus-able, I can't remember lol.

-Also, maybe the ability to convert the line numbers to cumulative at the press of a key, basically just so the second source line numbers will continue from the first source, this would make it a LOT easier when the debugger returns line numbers.

That's all I can think of at the moment, it's really good so far. Keep up the good work.


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Quote: "Rob was in the middle of uploading a new version or something when I first tried."


Quite likely

Quote: "-Give the CHM Help a Hotkey (maybe F2? Doesn't really matter what).

-Make the Project Organisation Stay On Top, I think it's as easy as: "Form2.Show 1, Me" but then again, that might make it a Diag box and the original form unfocus-able, I can't remember lol. "

Good suggestions - keep 'em coming (Yup it is as easy as frmProjOrg.Show 0,Me)


Quote: "-Also, maybe the ability to convert the line numbers to cumulative at the press of a key, basically just so the second source line numbers will continue from the first source, this would make it a LOT easier when the debugger returns line numbers."


Personally I never use the debugger's line nos as they are often wrong. In the compile dialog, scroll down in the info box until you get to the program trace, then click the Find button on the toolbar and search for the program trace - much more reliable.


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Ahh, will try that. Thanks. A couple more things I noticed:

-For the F1 Help System and the command in the statusbar, it only appears when you double click on the command. If you click elsewhere and move the cursour with your arrowkeys it doesn't register and only shows the last command double clicked or typed in.

-The ability to set the 'case' of the command that is entered when you use the ctrl+space feature. I.e. Just a preference setting that allows either All Uppercase, All lowercase, or First letter Uppercase. So when you use it, the command comes out as "PRINT", "print" or "Print". This is probably just me being finicky really.

-Also, this is a really strange bug. I compile & run my project, there's a line in my code that reads:



It compiles fine but when it runs I get a "Runtime Error 506 - Could Not Load Image at line 134". Now the really strange part, I can go to the folder where it contains my freshly compiled EXE and run it and it runs fine, it loads the image and pastes it normally. I'm not sure if this is a compiler issue or your IDE so I'll try it in the default IDE in a moment. EDIT: Just tested it in the default IDE and it worked fine, looks like it's a bug in yours. Hope you can get it fixed

-In the Media Tab, if you add multiple of the same file, removing one will remove them all. I have no idea if this is intentional though.

-A select all would be nice, preferably with the Ctrl+A shortcut.


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Quote: "For the F1 Help System and the command in the statusbar..."


Confirmed.

Quote: "The ability to set the 'case' of the command"


Good idea. Will add.

Quote: "It compiles fine but when it runs I get a "Runtime Error 506 - Could Not Load Image at line 134". Now the really strange part, I can go to the folder where it contains my freshly compiled EXE and run it and it runs fine, it loads the image and pastes it normally."


Odd. This is included media I presume? Can you try something for me. Delete the compile exe. Run BlueIDE with your code, leave the application running through its main loop, then go to your temp dir (either C:\Windows\temp in W98 or C:\Documents and Settings\[YourUserName]\Local Settings\Temp in WXP) go into the newest DBPData folder and check to see if your media files are there.

Quote: "In the Media Tab, if you add multiple of the same file, removing one will remove them all. I have no idea if this is intentional though."


Not intentional, but the actual bug is that you shouldn't be able to add the same file twice.

Quote: "A select all would be nice, preferably with the Ctrl+A shortcut."


Already in there. Go to Edit > Select All on the menu bar. Ctrl+A shortcut is a good idea.


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Quote: "Odd. This is included media I presume? Can you try something for me. Delete the compile exe. Run BlueIDE with your code, leave the application running through its main loop, then go to your temp dir (either C:Windowstemp in W98 or Cocuments and Settings[YourUserName]Local SettingsTemp in WXP) go into the newest DBPData folder and check to see if your media files are there."


Okay, that's strange. Here's what I did:
-I've since closed BlueIDE and reopened, so I run my current code in BlueIDE without any changes, it ran perfectly, didn't complain about a missing image file at all.
-Going on a whim I decided to delete the image file from the Media Tab and readd it. Compiled again and it stopped working.
-So I comment the code that loads the image and run it, check the Temp Directory and there are no media files there.
-I retested quitting BlueIDE, reopening it and running it with the "load image" command uncommented. Ran fine again. Checked Temp directory, Media files were there.

Hopefully that's enough information. I think we've found the problem though, when I add Media for the first time it must not 'actually' add it until I quit the app, or at least not recognise it as added so it can copy it to the temp directory.


Quote: "Already in there. Go to Edit > Select All on the menu bar. Ctrl+A shortcut is a good idea."


Ahh, checked the right click but not the Edit Menu, lol.


Glad you liked my ideas, look forward to seeing them added. Thanks.


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Hi rob
Still no luck
tried just about everything now

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Hi granada,

Please download and run this installer which will update your MSCOMCTL.OCX file:

http://www.robertknight.me.uk/files/dllsetup.exe


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Hi Exeat,

The media issue is proving a bit sporadic. Can you download this new test exe here - http://www.robertknight.me.uk/files/darkbasic/blue.exe, and use it to replace your existing one (usually installed to C:\Program Files\Programming\BLUE IDE)


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thanks rob that worked a treat

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Quote: "The media issue is proving a bit sporadic. Can you download this new test exe here - http://www.robertknight.me.uk/files/darkbasic/blue.exe, and use it to replace your existing one (usually installed to C:\Program Files\Programming\BLUE IDE)"


Still behaved the same as the old one. But I did find out a new piece of information: Once deleting the media and readding, it will stop working. As soon as I reopen the project file (don't even have to quit the program) it starts working again. Hopefully that will narrow it down a bit.


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Something the LoadProject() function is doing which btnAddMedia_Click isn't. Odd though. All that happens is both functions just add items to an array.


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I guess you'd just have to check everything that LoadProject does with the media and compare it with what the AddMedia button does. Might also want to check closing the project as well because I have to close it to reopen it.


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This has now got to the point where I think that I prefer it to the official IDE

A few point's I've noticed :

- Try adding the following lines to the code window, and see that they are detected as variables and functions.

print "Local whatever "
print "function whatever()"

- Insert code snippets, should replace highlighted text in the main code window.


Here are a few suggestions of my own:
- Alternate variable list view - tree view, group globals at the top, followed by locals grouped by the function that they appear in. In fact, this single window could double for both the variable and function lists.

- TPC DLL plug-ins list - put a tick-box next to each one. If you untick the box, the DLL is moved into a 'disabled' folder. You could also do the same sort of thing as a special case with the Conv DLLs in the main plug-ins folder.

[edit]Oh yes, and sort the TPC DLLs too [/edit]

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Rebuilding the keywords list results in a 'subscript out of range error'

Inserting a code snippet, it should ensure that the last line it adds in is correctly terminated by a new line. Otherwise this can result in joining the last line with the line that was already there.

Pressing F4 to compile only, does not always pop up the compilation window.

When do you think that you will get the preferences stuff working? Some of it works but isn't saved (as already noted) and some has no effect at all.

Oh, and I really *really* like the quickcode thing, but I'd like to see another F-key option to do the precompilation of this to a window capable of cut/paste, so that I can get the final code into CodeBase if I want, without having to recode.

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Hi Rob.

I've just tried your IDE and there are two things that I would like to see (if, of course, you are taking requests).

1) In the Project tab the 'Change Resolution' only goes as high as 1024 x 768, I like to work at 1600 x 1200.

2) I have always had my REM comments in bold, italic and underlined but that option is not available (yet) in your IDE.

They are only two very minor niggles otherwise it is looking very good indeed.

Thanks for listening.

[EDIT] Could we have a 'Search and Replace' function please? There was one in the original IDE and I used it quite a lot. Thanks

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@Scraggle

1) - Use the Custom Resolution box. I will add 1600x1200 to the dropdown list for the next version though.

2) - You can set the style, but I'm afraid that you cannot have Bold,Italic and Underline all enabled at once (The options are B,I,B+I or U). Go to Tools > Code Editor Preferences. In the Color/Font tab, select "Comments" from the left hand list, then change the font.

3)Search and Replace is there. Just right-click in your code and select "Replace...", there is a limitation currently in that like the original editor replace only searches the current file.

@All

The bugs found by users from Beta 2 have been fixed (if you have found one and not posted it please do so). I have added auto-indent as-you-type for the next version.


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If you don't have the searchable help file help > seachable help gives an error then the program exits.

I think there are a couple of other situations when there is an error and the program quits without saving.

Any chance of having the help window close when you press the escape key?

I think this would be a bit of a pain to do and hardly anyone would use it but, any chance or changing the properties so you can use the colour picker to select a colour rather than the combo to provide more colours.

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How about better functionality in the Media Browser- what happened to music and sound files? also- a better 3d object perview mode so we have more control of the camera?

---only suggesting keep up the good work

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Quote: "The bugs found by users from Beta 2 have been fixed (if you have found one and not posted it please do so)."


Even the Media bug?

Quote: "I think this would be a bit of a pain to do and hardly anyone would use it but, any chance or changing the properties so you can use the colour picker to select a colour rather than the combo to provide more colours."


Like a colour Mixer thing? Where you select the RGB components? That fairly easy to do in VB, I'll upload a sample & source in a minute.


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Posted: 14th Dec 2003 09:11 Edited at: 14th Dec 2003 09:15
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OUCH!

I have just tried compiling my code from BlueIDE and I am faced with the error message Label '?' Does Not Exist. A reasonable error message perhaps ... but it does exist! The Line in question is GOSUB loadmedia and the label loadmedia: is happily sitting 1200 lines further down. I tried to compile again in the original IDE and there is no problem.

Also another minor point and I think it may have been mentioned before but none of the IDE's settings are saved. So when you reload it all of the custom colours and resolutions need setting up again. OK, I know this doesn't affect the usefulness of the IDE and you probably have better things to be working on (like my first point for example) but it would be nice not to have to set them up each time.

Quote: "You can set the style, but I'm afraid that you cannot have Bold,Italic and Underline all enabled at once (The options are B,I,B+I or U). "


Why? I am aware that I can't have all three but that is because that's how you have set it up. Any chance of changing it?

My final niggle: How about an 'Open Recent' function - very handy!

OK enough negatives. I like your IDE it has great potential. I especially like the 'Insert Code Snippet' function. Suberb!

Keep up the good work - it is coming on great!

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Because Visual Basic 6 only allows those options in RichTextBoxes. Silly, I know, but that's what they decided.


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Quote: "Because Visual Basic 6 only allows those options in RichTextBoxes. Silly, I know, but that's what they decided."


Fair nuff.

But can it be done without using richtext boxes?
Buttons maybe?

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also; witht he split screen, can we have it so we work on 2 seperate .DBAs instead of 2 areas of the same DBA file

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Love the editor exept for 1 thing, when switching to another .dba file and then return to the one you were working with, the cursor position is set to the top, can't you add that the cursor stays were you last left it?

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I think I found a bug, when I press F5 it wants to compile it 2 times but 1 stops with an warning message

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@Mussi

Yup - several people have suggested that so I will add it.

@Scraggle

"Why? I am aware that I can't have all three but that is because that's how you have set it up. Any chance of changing it?"

I'm afraid not, it is a limitation of the editing component.

Quote: "I have just tried compiling my code from BlueIDE and I am faced with the error message Label '?' Does Not Exist. A reasonable error message perhaps ... but it does exist! The Line in question is GOSUB loadmedia and the label loadmedia: is happily sitting 1200 lines further down. I tried to compile again in the original IDE and there is no problem."


Very odd. Can you email me the source code from around the GOSUB area and around the loadmedia: label area.

Look at the Program Trace in the compile dialog (you'll have to scroll down), this will show the code around the problem area - this is the actual source sent to the compiler after pre-processing - there might be something odd here.

As I have said before, IDE settings saving will be in the next release, as will Recent Items.

Thanks for the feedback


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