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hyrichter
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Posted: 4th May 2006 02:27
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Cobra_one, please do post what Sam had to say. After all, Jeku is a mod and could easily tell if something was fishy with your IP address.

Quote: "he has left honest people skeptical about doing the same thing again and would be developers, who may have a genuine product to sell, without some customers."

Exactly. I didn't purchase Quickly either, but I'm working on some software of my own, and I don't want what has happened here to affect others who are trying to sell their software. When I'm ready to release my software, I'm afraid that this bad experience will stick in people's minds and they'll be afraid to trust any other independent developer such as myself.

I'd sure like to know what's going on too.


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Hi guys

I have spoken to Sam again tonight and he now tells me that he has sold the software to a group of programmers who were supposed to have had the website up and running at Easter. He is still involved with the development and these new owners want the various pieces of software to be incorporated into a single IDE before releasing it.
You will not get any joy from PayPal because his friends account has already been frozen for some other reason other than the problems with Quickly. Sam is also in financial difficulty due to some mix up with Family Tax Credits which is a payment from the Inland Revenue for people with children. he has been overpaid and now has to pay it back. He also mentioned County Court Judgements against him and the possibility of losing his house. So don't expect a refund from him. He again told me that he will get the new owners to open the website by the weekend but if he can't he will definately email us or post on the forums at the weekend.I think I have done all I can now and will just have to wait and see what happens.

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Once again Chris, thanks for your help, I see you decided to post here after all, and not be put off by stupid theories.
Let's see if he is telling the truth, will this group of people honour our accounts (for want of a better word ) and if not, then I we will have to decide on the next steps to be taken.
Once again, the clock is ticking.
Q. Why didn't Sam post that here himself?
Q. if he is in soooo much debt, how much did he sell Quikly for?
Here we go again, I smell a Rat.


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Posted: 4th May 2006 03:11 Edited at: 4th May 2006 03:16
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I smell BS.

Quote: "He again told me that he will get the new owners to open the website by the weekend but if he can't he will definately email us or post on the forums at the weekend."


Double BS. Frankly I'm at the point now where I don't believe anything that Kang says i.e. first he gets sick, then his wife, then his kids, then his mother, now he's in debt and blah blah. Everyone here has probably had something bad happen to them too--- hell, I just went through a CT scan and found out I might have to have brain surgery.

Let me tell you that I would *not* abandon people who paid good money for me to release a product. In the absolute *minimum* I would simply send the source code to the EAers before leaving the forums for good. I am still going to make sure that nobody else purchases this software.

Thanks Cobra_One for your work, and yes, I checked your IPs against Kang's and none of them match

Kang, if you're reading this, do the right thing and refund us the money that is not rightfully yours. If you did that, then I (as I can't speak for everyone else) will definitely forgive you then move on. I definitely thought you were a good guy, but I guess I was mistaken.


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Reading it again, it looks like he just thought up another way to buy himself a lot more time.. and not being able to refund us. Too bad that's not his decision though, is it? He's probably just full of sh*t again.

I'd like to pay a visit to him myself.
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Posted: 4th May 2006 03:45
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I'm not usually into conspiracies, but riddle me this:

1) The Quikly package arrived with no return address. A tactic to receive less hate mail, perhaps?

2) The Quikly package was supposedly made/printed/manufactured on schedule and shipped only a week or two late, yet in the "manual" Kang apologizes for the first rough patch in the Quikly lifecycle. How would he have known that it would be rough and bumpy if everything was finished on time?


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I think it is all BS, he knows I wanted to offer him a Financial deal if he would have contacted me, I sent him an email, and posted on this and my forums about it, but he did not reply.


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Hey where can I buy this awesome piece of software? I have heard soooo much good news about it? I wanna buy it OMG KANGAROO YOUR R TEH BEST!


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Posted: 4th May 2006 04:20 Edited at: 4th May 2006 04:22
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Oh dear.
My sides are busting open with this incredibly funny post, where could one person get so much humour, I just can't stop laughing.


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Quote: "I have spoken to Sam again tonight and he now tells me that he has sold the software to a group of programmers who were supposed to have had the website up and running at Easter."

That's complete crap. He already had a website set up. Why wouldn't he have left it up to fulfill his own order responsibilities?

It's like a bunch of people pay me to cut the grass and I sell the mower before I actually do and blame it on the buyer of the mower. Another thing that says "LIE LIE LIE" is that he has several excuses. In an effort to validate a lie, people frequently generate a list of pleasant implausibilities to cover their ass.

Some good English chap should go kick the crap out of him. If he lived in Okinawa, I swear I would.


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Posted: 4th May 2006 19:31 Edited at: 4th May 2006 19:37
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And here, ladies and gentlemen, we have what could very well be a Very Angry EA person Attacking Mr. `roo

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haha, nice video, English fighting certianly beats the martial arts

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Certainly when the britains use "The Modern Arts"(Like nice guns)

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Quote: " Certainly when the britains use "The Modern Arts"(Like nice guns)"


Pfft, the cops there don't even carry guns.


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Posted: 4th May 2006 22:19 Edited at: 4th May 2006 22:21
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Quote: "Pfft, the cops there don't even carry guns."

Probably because we have sensible laws that disallow regular citizens to carry guns. Things are different when you live in a mad country like Iraq, Israel, or America.

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Cops are regular citizens?


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No. When regular citizens don't have guns, it is not as necessary for the police to carry guns.

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Guys, this is not the place to discuss gun control.


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Getting Quikly back on topic

It may not be much help but if any of you are regulars at digg.com you could try sticking something about Quikly on there. If it worked then it could stop Sam trying this again but imo he won't try it again (at least not with the same product) and people outside of the community may not be that interested.

I would have suggested this earlier but I genuinely thought Sam would evenrtually turn up. I still don't entirely agree with this method because it would make it even harder for Sam to wipe the slate clean, but I didn't spend any money.

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@Cobra_One: Saying you have info and not giving it is the quickest way to make people suspicious, so thanks for giving the info.

I'm curious, did he say if the product would still be called Quikly, and if the EA buyers would ever get anything? I was initially suspicious that he was selling it too cheaply, everything he promised could be sold for over twice that price. Anyway, we caught him in his first non-defensable lie. He wasn't supposed to sell the code to his IT people, he was supposed to give it to the community in the event he couldn't continue working on it!
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Either way, it's crooked no matter how you look at it now. I hate to say this, but Kang knew he would sell the product a long time ago. Why else would he have pulled his forums offline.


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Quote: "hate to say this, but Kang knew he would sell the product a long time ago."

What product?

Is there anything that can be done?
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In the future, he'll likely change the name. Who knows, maybe it's not the first time he's done it.

Jeku, is it possible for Rich to see when the last him he logged on to the forum? I'm curious... I'm sure he's been reading the posts. Also, can he tell if other accounts with the same IP has logged on?


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Posted: 5th May 2006 21:20 Edited at: 5th May 2006 21:20
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He may be reading it while logged off. Anyways, I don't think I've seen him in the users online page.

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Quote: "He wasn't supposed to sell the code to his IT people, he was supposed to give it to the community in the event he couldn't continue working on it!"


Yes, that’s correct, another big fat one, the guy is a compulsive liar.

Quote: "
I have spoken to Sam again tonight and he now tells me that he has sold the software to a group of programmers who were supposed to have had the website up and running at Easter."


Quote: "He also mentioned County Court Judgements against him and the possibility of losing his house. So don't expect a refund from him"


Contradiction, unless he sold it for 5 pounds, a group of programmers will make a lot of money with this type of product, I would have paid a few grand for it.

Quote: "He also mentioned County Court Judgements against him and the possibility of losing his house."


They wont take his house, especially with children, the county court can't order children out in to the street, The local authority would have to re-house them, I know this because I have been in a similar position, more BS.

Quote: "he will get the new owners to open the website by the weekend but if he can't he will definately email us or post on the forums at the weekend."


Total BS, it aint gonna happen, there is no group of programmers, this is Sam's way of making you believe that different people own Quikly, if he ever releases it, so people will buy it, thinking they will not be ripped off, the site is still registered to him, and has not been renewed, BS to the extream.

This guy can't help but LIE, he has a mental problem, and should seek help, if I was to buy this product from him, the first thing I would do was email all the customers (if he kept a list)and announce that I now own the software, and what my plans would be, I would do this to stop any put down of the product, that may affect sales, this is just good business sense.

My friends, all we can do is stop him from trying this again, he has no intension of making this right, he hides under his rock, and hopes this all goes away, never has he attempted to come out from under it, and let us know what he has told Chris (Cobra_One), and lie to Chris on the phone, one word comes to mind, COWARD.


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Wanna know what would be ironic? if all this really did happen.....


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Quote: "I have spoken to Sam again tonight and he now tells me that he has sold the software to a group of programmers who were supposed to have had the website up and running at Easter."

So... selling them a piece of software now includes giving away your website and not updating it telling everyone what is going on... or where the new site will be?

Yep. Bullsh*t.
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There goes the weekend, no web site, no email, I think he is laughing at us.


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I think he is currently in some kind of real trouble, in real life, which we should cut him slack for. Everybody has problem times, and from the sounds of things he's in one!

I understand why you would be annoyed, but maybe he is simply unable to refund you? We all know that being in debt or financial trouble is a vicous cycle, and he could be stuck in it. I admit he could perhaps come here and explain his situation, but again, who here knows what's happening in his life at the moment?

I truly believe he is not a con-man, that's for sure. Hasn't he been on these forums, in one form or another, since the old days? He's posted pictures of himself! His name! His phone number! He gave me his address, to which I have sent a package which was receieved (genuine) - would a conman even go to all the effort he evidently has for a few £££? Would a conman give out all the identifying information Sam has?

Hope your okay Sam!

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No excuse for not posting the truth, he has our money, he said he would sort it out time and time again, but nothing.
Sam could have had our support if he was honest, but he has lied through his teeth, over and over.
No way does he deserve a break, you give breaks to people who try to put things right, not by lying and ripping people off.
I find it very amusing that people come here and post about giving Sam a break, the said people have not lost money, so it makes it easy to tell us to lay off, but these same people would be screaming if it was them who lost their dosh.


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I agree with Drew, sometimes life gets in the way. But even then, a quick 30 second post to inform us won't cost you anything from a library computer.


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There is a lot of young developers on this forum, 30 GBP is a lot to them, when you consider most only get pocket money, Sam seems not to be intrested in them, and the cost to them, they are here because they want to make games, and we should look out for them, that is partly what makes this forum Great.


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*NOBODY* is saying Sam is a con man. Geez. He had something legitimate, couldn't get it working (or didn't have the time), and rather than letting us know, he gave us dozens of excuses to buy time. Now he's knee deep in this mess, can't afford to refund us, and is most likely never coming back. I've seen it happen before, and this time is no different. Pity, as he was a respectable forum member.


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Quote: "Jeku wrote: Well, I called my credit card company to have them reverse the charges, and they won't because I paid through Paypal, and they told me to deal with them instead."


I had been scammed on an ebay item, and used Paypal. I found out it was a scam very early and contacted Paypal telling them that she was about to leave the country.

Paypal said they would look into it and get back to me in a week or so. That was not good enough for me because she was leaving the county as I wrote. So calling my Credit Card company I started to tell then the story. They didn't care to listen, my request was good enough and my money was refused right then and there. I did get a very nasty eamil from Paypal.

Funny huh? Palpal yelled at me for watching my money.

The reason I am writing this Jeku, is maybe you should switch to a credit card company that looks after you better? I was with CHASE that took care of me. I do have friend that was with another company that they would not help with a Paypal problem.

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Quote: "Oneka Wrote: Wanna know what would be ironic? if all this really did happen....."



Is Oneka on drugs?
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Quote: "Is Oneka on drugs?"


Yes, yes he is, but wait your turn, I'm still waiting for my own supply

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Maybe not a con man, but a thief? The money he collected from you was a contract to buy a product. If he can not fulfill that contract then you are due a refund. No matter what financial situation he is in, he should return it or that is stealing. He could go to jail if anyone pressed charges. In the US if you sent a USPS money Order this could be mail fraud and be a Federal Offence.

Though I am very surprised that The Game Creators are not stepping in to assist in this. They enen advertised his product in there online magazine.

Quote: "*NOBODY* is saying Sam is a con man. Geez. "
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Quote: "If he can not fulfill that contract then you are due a refund. No matter what financial situation he is in, he should return it or that is stealing."


I agree wholeheartedly. Trouble is getting in touch with him, as he has disappeared from here and his own website.

Quote: "Though I am very surprised that The Game Creators are not stepping in to assist in this. They enen advertised his product in there online magazine."


I haven't requested that they step in, as I don't think they will (or can) do anything about it. The product is not a TGC product, and TGC will publish in their newsletter close to anything cool looking that you send them. Kang had a playable demo of Quikly, which looked pretty cool (albeit heavily crippled). TGC isn't responsible for the products mentioned therein AFAIK.

I fear we're just crap-outta-luck. I've personally sent him several emails, and none of them have been hostile. If he's got morals then he would have replied to them a long time ago. It's hard to get justice against someone like that.


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Did he ever disclose his street address? I live in Somerset. Supposing he really does live here I could... *contact* him.
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I would call or write the local police in his area. Explain that this is a fraud situation and you would like their assistance. Since you have his phone numbers they have the means to find his address. You will especially get their attention if all of you write separately but work as a group. Volume counts!
Though in the US if I know your phone number then many cases I can get your address right form the Internet for free.

Again, in the US you can drop the charges if he see the light and refunds your money. I am sorry but I am going by US law, but I am sure the UK police have ways of dealing with such people.

I am sure you have receipt, or paypal proof of purchace.

I hope this helps
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@Baiame - There was a link in this thread with his address, as it's in his whois record. It would be great, since you live in his area, to contact some kind of authorities and let them know. This might only work if you were one of the ones who were ripped off--- were you?

Actually, I never thought of just contacting the authorities in my area and seeing what they say. There's got to be some way that they can contact the authorities over the pond to deal with this issue. That would make me very happy and satisfied


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I am pulling for you guys. Work as a team and you have a better chance of success. I hope my suggestions help.
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Jeku-

Unfortunately, as far as reporting the crime goes, I was not ripped off. I'm trying to remember which agency it is here that deals with this kind of thing, though. I'll try to contact them.
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Kevin D writes over at Aone/network, he went to see Sam, but he was not home
http://aoneweb.com/network/index.php?topic=33.15


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Hi all,
here is Sams Address:
Sam Jones
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You know what I find odd. The Game Creators pluged this app twice in their magazine, but game no warning or retraction after the crime.
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Unbelieveable....I watched this begin, i watched the EA go on sale.
Does anyone know how many people paid for this product?
Sam has no excuse. If he can talk on the phone and organise to sell his program to anoter group he can take a few minutes of his time to post a reason. If I was in the UK, I would gather up my friends and pay him a nice, friendly visit(collects assortmet of blugeoning objects and hands out to friends)

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Posted: 20th May 2006 22:00
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If this thread turns into a violent discussion, I'm going to have to lock it. It's not funny, and we don't want to get anyone in trouble. Business issues can always be solved through dialogue (just wish Sam would discuss this issue with us himself).

Don't worry, Sam will be getting a nice surprise sometime in the next short while. Wish me luck with it, guys

And no, it's nothing in a physical sense at all--- just business.


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Aoneweb
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Posted: 20th May 2006 23:45 Edited at: 20th May 2006 23:47
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No violence needed, he is dead on the Internet, and he knows it.

Jeku, good luck with what you got going, thanks for supporting the guy’s that lost money.

Quote: " Does anyone know how many people paid for this product?"


The number of people who got cheated by this slime is irrelevant, he ripped people off, lied continuously, and that is a crime in my book, he has my money, and I don’t.

Jeku, should you move this thread to Geek Culture, WIP may now not be the right place for this discussion, what do you think?


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Posted: 21st May 2006 00:37
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I agree, violence solves nothing.

As noted by Aoneweb before I did visit Sam at the address registered to the Quikly.com domain but no one appeared to be at home.

I agree that staying together as a group may prove more fruitful than acting alone. If any of you would like to pen a letter to Sam expressing your thoughts, please send it to me as an email, print them out individually and personally deliver them to him/his address, I have a letter of my own that I want to deliver personally, nothing sinister - an offer of help to try and sort this out.

In December I spent tens of thousands of pounds setting up a Game development studio so I feel that I have a vested interest in getting the Quikly software out in the community and allow Sam to fulfill his obligations in suppling the software to people who bought it - IT'S THE LAW. However, I cannot continue...

Unfortunately earlier this year I was made redundant so I too find myself in a difficult situation, adding another personal issue to my list. we all have problems but we all have responsibilities and obligations as well!

It's also likely that Sam has viewed, as a guest, the forums and what is being said.

Sam, it's time to be honest, come clean and let people now what is going on, lets hear it from you - we can then move on and all contribute to Quikly. I will see you soon....


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