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Work in Progress / Quikly 3d Studio Pro EA Pre-Release: Buy now for Christmas ;)

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Bizar Guy
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Posted: 21st May 2006 01:03
That's a good idea...

Cobra_One
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Posted: 21st May 2006 02:31
If anyone else in the UK would like to ring Sam to see what he has to say his phone number is 01984633435. In view of the lies I have been told by him I have no qualms in posting his number here.
I also note that the Quikly.com domain expires in 3 days. I would have thought if someone else had bought the software the domain would have been renewed by now.

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Posted: 21st May 2006 06:22
Quote: "I also note that the Quikly.com domain expires in 3 days. I would have thought if someone else had bought the software the domain would have been renewed by now."

Exactly


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Saikoro
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Posted: 21st May 2006 07:27
Quote: "Jeku, should you move this thread to Geek Culture, WIP may now not be the right place for this discussion, what do you think?"

I don't think putting it in Geek Culture is such a good idea. I've been following this thread for a while now, and have kept my mouth shut, but I don't think many others would do the same. Best left in an uninfested area of the forums I think.

Best of luck to you guys in getting this matter solved.

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Posted: 25th May 2006 19:22 Edited at: 25th May 2006 19:41
Good luck Jeku, I hope you are successful in your endeavor.

@Cobra_One - Nice going, i hope that number helps out any that need better contact for reporting this, and continuing their efforts in recovering your stolen assist.

Has only one reported this to the local authorities?
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Posted: 26th May 2006 23:24
I think many of us know now not to trust early adopter software.
I for one will will never again.
No disrespect to game creator community.
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Posted: 27th May 2006 16:06
Quikly the end has come, will we see another one.
I don't think so, unless someone can emulate it.
Anybody goning to try.
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Posted: 28th May 2006 20:53
Quote: " I think many of us know now not to trust early adopter software.
I for one will will never again.
No disrespect to game creator community."

Apologies not needed, I think we all will be hesitant in future, that’s what this slime has done to other developers, some may have good products to release, but with out sponsors, may shelve their products just because we got stung by this slug.


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Posted: 30th May 2006 14:44 Edited at: 30th May 2006 14:45
I have been reading this thread for some time, as a bystander (fortunately I did not buy Quikly pro).

I cannot claim to be personally acquainted with all the facts of the situation. However, it seems to me that there is a prima facie case for the police to investigate here. If you wish to pursue this, you should write to the local police force, namely the Avon and Somerset Constabulary, and ask them to investigate. You will be able to find their address via a google search.

In any letter, you will need to set out the facts of the situation and attach relevant documents proving your payments, etc. You may also wish to say that there may have been offences committed contrary to s.15 Theft Act 1968 (obtaining property by deception); s.15A Theft Act 1968 (obtaining a money transfer by deception); s.16 Theft Act 1968 (obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception); and given the suspicious nature of the constantly shifting excuses provided s.2 Theft Act 1978 (evasion of liability by deception) and ask them to conduct an investigation.

You should also write and bring this to the attention of the local Trading Standards, who can conduct their own investigation. http://www.somerset.gov.uk/somerset/ete/communityprotection/ts/

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Posted: 30th May 2006 21:41
Wow, Philip, thanks for the great info I urge all of you in the UK to pursue this, as I will be doing so in my local territory here.

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Posted: 31st May 2006 02:08
Quote: "You know what I find odd. The Game Creators pluged this app twice in their magazine, but game no warning or retraction after the crime."


He asked for a 3rd 'plug' months ago, but I was getting concerned it was vapourware and never ran it. No-one from this thread (or forum in general) contacted us to say what was going on. Had they done so we would have published something warning people not to part with their cash. However it is now too late to be of any use, as those caught up in this are the only ones who ever will be.

I would be interested to know how many people this actually effected. Free free to forward me your PayPal receipts. We will not refund them, but I want to get a handle on the size of this. We may be able to do something to alleviate the problem, an offer of some kind.

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Posted: 31st May 2006 05:22
Wow, this product looks amazing... Iam sending my money in tonight , btw is paypal a great service to use? THANKS KANG FOR THIS WONDERFUL PRODUCT! (btw how long does it take to ship?)


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Posted: 31st May 2006 05:51 Edited at: 31st May 2006 06:12
Thanks for the interest Rich, we do feel cheated, and don't blame TGC in any way, no gun to the head and all that stuff.
Should we forward the paypal to a specific address?

Oh and Rich, congrats on the new person, I hope Mum, Dad and the tiny one are all doing very well.

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Chris Franklin
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Posted: 31st May 2006 12:11
wow someone who says they know him says apprenately he's got no internet lol which might explain the no replys

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Posted: 31st May 2006 13:42
Uhh, so why doesn't he use a local internet access then? Does his whole town not have internet access?

Chris Franklin
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Posted: 31st May 2006 13:49
That's what Confuses me lol

Van B
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I think because of this we should instil some better control over saleable products. Maybe set a rule that TGC, mods, whoever have to approve products for sale. Like the creator could send a copy to someone who'd verify it if they deemed it ready for sale. People would need a mostly working version before being approved, vapourware would never be approved, and some quality control could be introduced - like if a product doesn't seem to be worth it at the price, then it won't get approved.

Having a little TGC stamp of approval would help avoid these situations in future I reckon.

In saying all this though, I'm finding it hard to imagine that there's no Quikly at all, I'm sure it is a product, just a bigger, much much bigger product than he first imagined - I know that feeling well.

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Posted: 31st May 2006 19:42 Edited at: 31st May 2006 19:44
Message from Aoneweb to Rich:
Quote: "I have sent you what I have, I am sure you know by now.
Thanks
Aoneweb"


Mission accomplished.
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Posted: 31st May 2006 21:33
@Van B

Sounds like an excelent idea, and it wouldnt just be for the buyer, it could also give advantages to the seller, so that he could show that his/her project is real and worthy of aproval from the game creators.

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Posted: 31st May 2006 22:17
@Richard Davey Not everyone paid by paypal some like me paid by cheque, if they had problems with using it.
He had over sixty people on his forum quite a lot of people bought it. Nice little earner at £19.99 EA or £29.99 full price.
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Posted: 31st May 2006 22:46
I'd love some sort of stamp of approval. That would be awesome for the games I sold... I could put a little tgc stamp of approval in the credits and opening.

But it shouldn't be mandatory, just an option for people so they can say "look! My game was good enough to get the tgc approval!"
That would not only make people more likely to buy the product, but would also be great advertising for the tgc.

The reason it shouldn't be mandatory is because that will feel restraining and discourage possible developers from making shareware. Having it as a option allows the developer to prove their product is real and good, so it actually will encourage people to do it, rather than discourage them. To prevent every new programmer from submitting every single project they make, you could charge a small fee, say $3-5 US or similar. A small price to pay if you know your product is good enough to sell, and just high enough that it's not worth it to submit junk for the heck of it.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2006 02:36
I paid $34.90 for my copy, after I converted it, to me, with the cost of living taken in to account, and based on what I get paid, it would be like 34.00 GBP back home, that sucks.
so 60 x $34.90 = $2,094.00
and in pounds:
60 x 19.99 GBP = 1199.40 GBP, that is what he stole from us, if it was indeed 60 peeps.


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Posted: 1st Jun 2006 09:29
Hi everyone! Though this is the first time I post here, I've been following this thread since the very beginning. I'm really astonished for what Sam has done to all of us. Before I had purchased his product, he answered me about a few questions I made him, and he seemed to be a real good man...

But things went more and more wrong, and now I'm just one the cheated guys who trusted him.

So, when I read the last post of Richard Davey, I decided to post here. Please, can anyone tell me where exactly do I have to send my PayPal receipt?

Thank you, and excuse me if my english is not good.
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Posted: 1st Jun 2006 12:53
This is my first post in the forums, bt I've read this thread since its first post, because I've been cheated by Sam too.

So, I like to send Richard my PayPal receipt. Where must I send it? Thank you.

(Excuse me for my English).
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Posted: 1st Jun 2006 22:04 Edited at: 1st Jun 2006 22:10
If you look at the bottom of Rich's post, you will see a box that say's email, click on it.

Luis Garcia@ when you first join this forum, there is a delay before your post appears, this is because the Mod's have to approve them, this will stop after a time, as long as you are good.
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Posted: 1st Jun 2006 22:16
How many people do you think fell victim to this? I mean, alot posted,ya, but how many more that didnt or hasnt. Personally,I thought it looked gimp so I ignored it.

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2006 00:42
Richard (davey)

I unfortunately was one (it seems one of the many) to have bought this product. Having downloaded the Ea version (£19.99 sent by cheque in December 2005) but disappointed to see this was "crippleware" and no more than useless. Having been told on numerous occasions since 14th of February that the CD would come - yes but 2 months late - on checking the disk it only had an installer which relied on downloading the actual software from a website - a website which is now no longer in existance.

Having setup a company to be a game creation studio I find myself many tens of thousands of pounds down the drain. Now to make things worse I have been made redundant from my job that was subsidising the game studio - so all work has stopped and the company suspended.

Sam has not only screwed his life up........

The following link has details of a conversation between Cobra_one and Kangaroo2 (Sam Jones).

http://aoneweb.com/network/index.php?topic=33.msg255#msg255

However I find the information by Sam to be seemingly more lies or delaying tactics - the quikly.com domain has not been renewed and although the domain status is "locked" and having done some investigation, it will be in the public domain soon.

So, it appears the missed deadlines, broken promises and deceit goes on.

It is a shame that, although if true, Sam has his problems. If he had not been, maybe so ambitious, the Quikly 3D Studio Pro looked to have a very promising future. I have no doubt that in time, this software would have been very successful and provided Sam with a substantial income - this (maybe) would have eased some of his woes. However, his continual broken deadlines and promises and the lack of communication from Sam with no delivered software product to the people who paid good money is just bad business practice - this just shows at best a lack of business sense and at worst incompetence. He should have taken a more professional approach to this product.

Sorry for going on but I do feel very strongly about this, Sam has let down the quikly community very badly. He must understand that if you sell a product, it must do what it says on the tin. Unfortunately he has not even supplied the tin!

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I still remember, and it has been mentioned here, Sam said he would make it open source if he was to abandon it, why he did not do that is anyone’s guess, unless he plans to try to release it under another name, and rip even more people off, I will be watching all these types of releases, and if I think he is attempting to release it, god help him.



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I just noticed this in the bottom of the newsletter:

Quote: "The Game Creators in no way endorse or support products mentioned in this newsletter that are not specifically published by them. Always check first before parting with your money, we cannot be held responsible for companies going out of business."


I wonder why they suddenly decided to write that in the newsletter!?

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Read up a few posts. Rich basically did it out of courtesy to the users in this post. Yeah, read up a little to get the full explanation.



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Quote: "I wonder why they suddenly decided to write that in the newsletter!?"


Have a guess!!!

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Luis Garcia@ when you first join this forum, there is a delay before your post appears, this is because the Mod's have to approve them, this will stop after a time, as long as you are good."


Yes, I noticed it . Sorry for duplicating my previous post. And thank you for your answer.
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Kevin, you honestly spend tens of thousands based around the Quickly Games studio? You could have bought the Torque SDK and a team of programmers with that!

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Snipa Masta

Yes I did, but Quikly was only part of the picture - unfortunately is has left a gaping hole. The commercial licence I require for Torque is very expensive (not the one advertised on their website) but nevertheless, it is on my list of possible replacements.

Are you infering I do not know what I am doing?

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2006 14:49
get rogue traders on him.
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Wow, can't believe this is still going. I stopped by here and followed this post for a brief period, but gave up on it long ago.

I didn't actually purchase Quikly till the first part of February. I really did think that Sam was just behind the 8 ball on software issues he couldn't get done for the deadlines. I still think that's what eventually caused him to abdicate.

In any case, I've seen Richard's post and think it was pretty impressive that he would get involved at all, since it was always a given that TGC was in no way responsible for any 3rd party products. I never expected any type of recompense for the loss, I was the one responsible, but I'll join in on sending Richard my invoice just so he at least has a semi-accurate count.


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Quote: "How many people do you think fell victim to this? I mean, alot posted,ya, but how many more that didnt or hasnt. Personally,I thought it looked gimp so I ignored it."


I agree. I think this program looks really cheesy, and can't imagine how anyone would even buy it!

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From this thread:
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=68946&b=5

Quote: "(I own a record label and studio and have many hundreds of sample cds etc including some produced by big names "


If anyone in the Somerset / UK area could check there newspapers(via internet, or whatever) to see if any recording studios went out of business recently, that might give some clues.

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=67573&b=5

Also, did anyone who bought Quickly 3D Model Pro receive their copy, or did users also not receive this product? Was it even released yet?

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His studio
Quote: "9thlife Recording Studio"

Could not find any info on the net.


Can I please ask people who lost money on Quikly to email Rich, if you did not buy it, then good for you, but it makes no sense or it does not help those who lost out, by posting here just to let us know how clever you were not to buy it.
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Aone, you will never stop the one cell brigade from posting, like “it looked really gimp” the demo sucked but the EA had a lot going for it, these kids don’t know what the EA version was like, so they just shout off, not knowing what the hell they are talking about.
This whole forum is infested in this baby cancer, ignore them, we hope they will grow up one day, and have something meaningful to say.(but I doubt it)
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Trust me NG, I take no notice of the little tiger nuts.


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@IT Guru
I am confused, what did Quikly do that was so valuable that you would center your entire production around it?

I am not writing to be mean, I am trying to help. I Sent you an email to see if I have a solution for you.
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Did you get many emails Rich?


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I sent him my information... I suggest you all to do the same.
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I hope we still have most people that were ripped off, still active here?


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What happened this this engine?



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Posted: 11th Jun 2006 22:47
Higgins, usually it helps if you read the thread a bit before posting.

But anyways, I don't know how many times it's been said but I'm astonished. I'm glad I decided to hold back and wait before the full program was actually out.

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Well it's been almost 3.5 months since we've heard from Sam--- hope Rich got my email

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It would be interesting to see if Rich has come up with anything.


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What baffles me is that Kang cheated everyone after selling a few copies only. It seems that he would havemade much more by continuing to sell the program. I mean, it was finished, wasn't it? I see no reason to make it a scam!...unless the program wasn't really finished...

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