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DarkBASIC Professional Discussion / GPU Card ?

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OneTouch
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What is the best video card to use with DBP. I was going to get the ATI RADEON, but heard it does not do so well with DBP.

I have a 4x AGP slot,
Win XP

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Richard Davey
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Posted: 8th May 2003 21:11
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If it's a Radeon 9700 Pro (or above) then you'll have NO troubles with DBPro at all. At least, I don't and I kinda use it a bit

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Dr DooMer
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I've got a Radeon 9000 and, apart from the slow-loading bug (which is being fixed), it works fine.

In fact, it works better than fine ever since I've got a new 4x/8x AGP motherboard! Whoosh!

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Shadow Robert
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i've got the GeForce Family and zero problems at all on any of them
(you want Woosh! DooMer try a GeForceFX on an AGP8x board )

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OneTouch
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Thanks!
I was thinking the 9700 Pro!

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Shadow Robert
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NNNNooooooooooooooooooo... another guy lost to the R-Virus
:: deep sigh ::
oh well can't save ya'll

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Kentaree
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LOL! Do you work for NVidia Raven?

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Shadow Robert
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:: looks around :: erm... what would make you say that?
oh would you look at the time gotta run

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Kentaree
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lmao, didnt think so

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EddieRay
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Take a look on the futuremark site at the 3DMark2003 scores for the 9700 Pro, 9800, GeForce4 Ti 4600, and GeForce FX and decide for yourself if you want a new vid card...

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 10th May 2003 04:27
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6252- NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4400
6103- NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600
5928- NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200
5456- ATI RADEON 8500/9100 Series
5208- NVIDIA GeForce3
5058- NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 200
4966- NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 500
4404- ATI RADEON 9000
3706- NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 460
3654- NVIDIA GeForce2 Ultra
3584- NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440
3261- ATI RADEON 7500
3260- NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS/Pro/Ti
3056- NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 420
2713- ATI RADEON DDR
2656- NVIDIA Quadro2/Pro
2654- NVIDIA GeForce DDR
2540- NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400
2432- ATI RADEON SDR
2259- NVIDIA GeForce SDR
1707- NVIDIA nForce
1649- 3dfx Voodoo5 5500
1544- STMicro KYRO II
1494- STMicro KYRO
1489- SiS 315
1476- NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 100/200
1443- ATI RADEON VE
1322- NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Ultra
1317- NVIDIA RIVA TNT2/Pro
1309- NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 100/200 (<-What i was testing, using Dx9 Debug incase your wondering why its slower )
1150- 3dfx Voodoo4 4500
1032- Matrox G400
956 - ATI RAGE 128 PRO
877 - NVIDIA TNT2 m64
859 - NVIDIA RIVA TNT
665 - ATI RAGE 128
364 - S3 ProSavage
286 - Generic VGA

these are hardware only score comparisons (primarily Dx8.0 only)
so where again do the Radeons 9x00 beat the GeForce4 again?

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Shadow Robert
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3DMark2003 - Dx9 - 1024x768 (full tests) - Pentium4 2.5Ghz

first number is Core Speed, second is Max Speed
6385 - Radeon 9800 Series....... 480Mhz/380Mhz
5836 - GeForceFX NV30........... 300Mhz/600Mhz
5779 - Radeon 9700/9500 Series.. 324Mhz/310Mhz
2042 - GeForce4 Ti 4600......... 300Mhz/648Mhz

personally what i think is interesting is that the GeForce4 doesn't list the 4800, even more interesting is that NONE of the GeForceFX are set above 300Mhz - infact there is one set to 50Mhz/100Mhz
which is just ridiculous... especially as the hallmark of these cards is the fact that they run to damn'd fast, especially the GeForceFX NV30 which can run at 1.2Ghz

so this does seem very odd to me most of these scores
especially as i could pull up a GeForce2 Mx 100/200 which actually outperformed a GeForceFX 5200!!
so something seems bloody odd - but even still it still outperforms the Radeon 9700/9500 series (all of these are the highest possible scores for that setup)

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Andy Igoe
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All I know is as a former tech-support agent ATI are never mentioned without profanity prefixing their name.

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 10th May 2003 05:17
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lol ... it is a well deserved profanity.
however by searching over the Futuremark site, it wasn't hard to understand where the rumour about ATI Radeon being better than the GeForceFX might have originated and the remarks made from what the NV35 represents (although the blasted chip is actually called NV36)

it's really silly sometimes to see what goes on, i mean it's mentioned that the NV30 did not perform to expectations - however what i find silly is when people are running 400Mhz processors at 50Mhz and 1.2Ghz processors at 300Mhz, then how can you expect the cards to do as well as you expected?
from what i've seen the Radeon users have overclocked thier chips, quite oftenly WELL past thier safety limit - and the FX users don't even seem to understand how fast thier GPUs should be set.

and personally i'm blaming manufacturers because the chips come off the line capable of a set speed, they're then put into cards which are designed to withinstand that set speed ... and yet the manufactures set the default values extremely low!?
this would mean only nvMax and nVidia Omega users can alter thier chip speeds (as nVidia took this ability out of the Detonator 4 series)

i can tell you know that i've just tested my FX 5200 (standard not Ti) and i got 6823marks in 3DMark2003 on Alex's P4-2.5Ghz with the defualt setup. Processor speed is set to 350Mhz - 333Mhz DAC
so i'm really wondering what the heck is going on with the tests they're doing there.

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