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glyvin101
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Hey I know the title sounds mean , but its not meant to be
I was just wondering if any cool new things are being added like headshots or imp AI. Anything along those lines.
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Aydan
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the biggest thing i want done is frame rates. i mean they are just so poor in the current fps. In some ways we are really limited on what make, and thats even without enemies added etc.
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Inspire
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It allows you to place more characters in a room at once and have them all be active, with frame rates still working. It also allows for some darn good water effects.

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JohannesM
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I guess that the main idea are awesome graphics.

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Van B
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When you take away the burdon of 3D that DX9 has, not just for effects, but displaying lots of characters, the benefits will spread across the board.

If FPSCx10 can display characters a lot quicker, then the whole thing will run smoother, which at the end of the day, leaves more CPU power for things like AI.


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jacko101
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It's just a shame that you have to buy Vista first! That ain't gonna happen for me any time soon.............

I wonder when service pack 1 is to be released?

repeat after me, you are not a developer.
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Silvester
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you'll need vista and an nvidea 8800 to run it...

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Candle_
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Van B
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Micro Direct is the only place I'd recommend for hardware in the UK - damn good delivery times, and there's an incredible 8800 there for £300, it's like £100 more expensive anywhere else.


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KeithC
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I suspect if you're willing to wait a bit, there will be less expensive cards coming out.

From what I've seen so far, it looks like everything's going to be moving towards Vista anyways (sooner or later). It should be fun to see what people can do with the new FPSCreator.

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Komet
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I estimate that I will reastically need a new PC if I were to entertain the notion of using Vista.

By the way, MS have a track record for releasing an OS every 4 years or so, by that reckoning we could see a replacement for the new Vista in roughly 2012.

The above does not take into account sudden technological breakthroughs...
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SpyDaniel
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Keith, I dont think every one will be using vista with FPSC X10. I'm pretty sure there will be some kind of directx 10 patch for linux, cutting the cost to use FPSC X10. If there is no patch for linux, then the only option is to buy vista.
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KeithC
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I'm still waiting to hear if current FPSC users will get a discount for X10.



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Komet
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Posted: 2nd Mar 2007 14:43
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If it's still called FPSC then technically it's the same product and legally viewed as an update, to my knowledge updates are free?
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KeithC
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That is incorrect.



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Komet
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Posted: 2nd Mar 2007 15:05
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We can try
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Van B
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Quote: "I'm pretty sure there will be some kind of directx 10 patch for linux"


I can't see it mate, in fact if that happens I'll eat my own liver .


We have to remember the concearns about the EA and commercial version - lot's of people got itchy at the prospect of having to pay extra to get the commercial version, and it turned out to be no problem at all - just like the licence worries, they got washed away. I'm certain as certain can be that there will be little issue with how TGC handles the upgrades for existing users - by switching to x10 your showing a great deal of support for TGC and it's products and I know that this will be reflected in discounts.

I think TGC's target market for this is those poor folk with monster spec PC's, and nothing to do with them - people who've recently got their Vista machine are where the money lies. I think we all know that TGC do not go out of their way to profit from upgrades, so we should relax.


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Posted: 2nd Mar 2007 16:28
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Quote: "I can't see it mate, in fact if that happens I'll eat my own liver "

Please don't...
FPSC x10 will be a Windows/Vista product.If it is not supported by FPSC then don't expect x10 to support your OS.
I don't think that x10 will be free to current FPSC users.While I agree this would be nice I don't see it happening.
I do think there is a possibility of current FPSC users getting some kind of discount byt that is up to TGC.
As it is I need more memory,a new graphics card and Vista itself.
So I can wait a while for x10.


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MK83
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Having to buy Vista and a 8800 video card is just two of the expensive things to buy. Everyone tells me that the 8800 video card won't run with a pentium 4 processor, Because the pentium 4 cannot pipe the graphic information to the card quick enough. So that means Core2 Duo, or I guess Amd fx 64 processor upgrade, Right?


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KeithC
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Posted: 2nd Mar 2007 17:32
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I'll buy X10 when I get a new computer....which won't be for awhile.



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Komet
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Posted: 2nd Mar 2007 18:46
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Well my main concern is not about a freebie but rather:

"If" TGC will continue to "fix" and "develop" the existing FPSC for those not interested in X10 or buying Vista?
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SpyDaniel
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Does any one know if X10 has water which you can interact with, like in HL2? Or are the water shots just decals to make people think what I am, so they go and buy X10?
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Candle_
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Posted: 2nd Mar 2007 21:46
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Anyone try the X10 demo yet?


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According to the videos for x10 the water reacts to movement and such just like real water would from reflecting to the displacement of the water as characters move through it.
If TGC can pull it off you will be able to do some remarkable things with x10.

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Lightning Bolt Studios
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I'm almost already for X10, I just received my 8800 GTS today, I bought the low end version with only 320 megs of ram by EVGA at newegg.com for $299 with a $20 rebate so it cost $279 that was the cheapest price I could find it for, its in my PC right now and its been working fine, I want to let everyone know this card is big, it just barley clears my hard drive and I have a standard mid tower case, so if you have a small micro tower case be ready to buy a new case also , I haven’t installed Vista yet it’s been setting on my shelf, I think I might install it this weekend, but when I do deicide to install Vista I’m going to do the dual boot with XP and Vista both on different partitions, I’m not going to drop XP for a while yet, at least not until I’m comfortable with Vista.

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Price:
$309.99
Less Rebate:
- $20.00
Final Price:
$289.99

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2905191&CatId=2669


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bond1
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Posted: 3rd Mar 2007 08:02 Edited at: 3rd Mar 2007 08:03
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Those are great prices for those who don't want to buy a top of the line model (and I don't blame you), and they should still beat the pants off of any current dx9 card. I got the 640mb GTS for $479, when the prices drop I'll probably get another for some SLI action before retiring it.


I've tried the demo, it's the same as the video on youtube, only it runs in realtime on your computer. I must say it really looks great, I especially love the volumetric smoke effects.

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KamiKazi Games
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aww that completely SUCKS. I just upgraded to Vista, and I find out that I can't use FPSC (which I HAVEN'T USED YET)!! and now i have to buy it AGAIN TO WORK ON VISTA?

Frustration level above blood pressure limits!

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I am putting my order in for the Vista with a DELL XPS Laptop. The one I am contemplating was rated as the best gaming laptop by PC magazine where I saw it, and costs $2950. Then the new DELL XPS desktop goes for $2999. So it does cost quite a bit, however you buy a good computer it will last for years. Vista will hold advantages since it is alreayd being sold. It is impossible to get around this. I do not like that we are introduced with a new version of Windows, but, if you want to comepete in the market you need to upgrade, especially if you are tryign to produce commercial quality products and plan on using FPSC to make some type of money. I am not saying buy a computer this exspensive, but you will need to invest something if you want to get money back. With the computers I use for my business now, I had to invest a lot of money for the computer and software. You cannot get everythign for free. But as I said, in order yo make money you need to spedn money. All I can suggest is that if you have FPSC, then make games now to sell so that it will help you earn money to purchase a better system. I see people trying to get the cheapest video cards etc. but honestly if you barely run the system requirements then you may be taking a chance to have some problems running the new FPSC. I say this because everyone who ha dproblems with the last version of FPSC were not running well above the requirements. At least that was what I saw form the complaints. The frame rate in this new pne will be better and it will have some better features which include graphics. When you are buying your systems or upgrades, remember, you usually, not always, but usually get the quality of what you pay for.



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Quote: "however you buy a good computer it will last for years."


thats not always true

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if you take care of it, it will last for a long time!


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To begin with try to turn around the way Moore's Law is usually stated. It says that any hardware you have today will become obsolete in approximately 18 months. It means that the computer hardware market is not stable. The pressure of Moore's Law on the market is such that any hardware becomes next to impossible to maintain once it becomes obsolete. The only solution: the dreadful upgrade cycle. It is as of this writing almost impossible to obtain spare parts for systems that are even as recent as three years old. Anyone who has tried to buy such "obsolete" commodities as EDO RAM or non-AGP video cards these days can attest to this. Never mind those of us who don't have enough disposable income to support an upgrade every 18 months. Microsoft has been attempting to impose the same kind of upgrade cycles with software, and they are succeeding, largely due to these pressures.

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Komet
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Actually since I started in I.T. in 1995 I've seen the prices for computer parts go from an extremely high (novelty value) to dirt cheap today, having said that thesedays the rate of hardware becoming obsolete is happening a lot faster.

Not only is Micro$oft helping to bring this about but they do so in league with the big manufacturing companies, their motivation is not so much in the name of progress but rather profit.

Will Vista speak to you? Will it be totally voice recognition capable? No, and it won't do a barn dance either.

So, does having the capability to run X10 for a few games justify shelling out for a new PC and various software? Not to me it don't and I think the majority of people can't really afford it anyway.
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Someone said MS have a record of making a new os every 4 years:

maybe not this time.
goto http://www.windowsvienna.com

Windows Fiji - (Kind of Vista RC2) is coming out in 2008 and then vienna (Whole new OS) in 2009 and from my knowledge windows voyager in 2012. What is the point in buying vista? They are going to have like 3 new OS's in such a short space of time - With all these new OS's MS will make millions!

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Ragdoll physics! Video in the next Newsletter, I promise!

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Komet
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Wizzkid, that does not take into account unexpected changes and breakthroughs in technology. What MS say and what they deliver, is two different things. But yes it's mainly about money and keeping hold of their position.
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I am not going to shell out the money to buy windows vista, or a new video card. Windows Vista is full of built in spyware for tracking everything you do online. The new media management system keeps track of every song you play and automatically kicks on a 140 MB ram stealing piece of software to detect premium content such as MP3's and movies. If they stop development on this one, then I am going to have to stop playing around FPS creator

Also does this mean that all of the games that you create will have the same requirements. Everybody who downloads your games will be required to have vista and a new video card?
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bwahaha. C programmer for 7 years my arse. Spyware? You can disable almost every single feature... I just downloaded an "illegal" mp3 from the new Nine Inch Nail Album thanks to Trent sending it out for free at concerts. No thought police after me so far...

Seriously where are these stupid views on vista coming from...

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I love comments like that coming from someone still waiting for puberty

Mod note:
Posts like this will get you banned.There is no need for these kinds of posts.
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"illegal" in quotes because in all technicalities it is legal. Trent Reznor, the leader of Nine Inch Nails released these songs at concerts. He gave permission indirectly to fans to put them up. He has taken no legal action, and actively knows of these distrobutions.

But the thought police, or any microsoft support, haven't unrefed me yet. It also runs great in Media Player 11. And I dont have any missing 140 mb of ram... in fact it is only slightly higher usage than XP.

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Let's try to keep the posts on topic.

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Quote: "aww that completely SUCKS. I just upgraded to Vista, and I find out that I can't use FPSC (which I HAVEN'T USED YET)!! and now i have to buy it AGAIN TO WORK ON VISTA?"


An idea is to dual-boot Vista with XP, boot XP when you want to use FPSC 1, otherwise, boot Vista.

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ragdoll cool dude I going to bouhgt this.

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Which issue will be talking about ragdoll?
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Did somebody say you can't have a pentium 4 CPU with an 8800 graphics card?

This was one of the first things I researched and it will actually work just fine. You'll only have a bottleneck meaning the card won't work as fast as it would with a dual-core.
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the 320 mb 8800 video card will work with even a Pentium III, so a Pentium 4 should be alright. ( with the 320 card only.) But it does require a 450 watt power supply.


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