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FPSC Classic Product Chat / X10 on XP

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Cricket
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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 22:11
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is there anyway we can get directx10 on xp to run x10
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Shadow Coderer
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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 22:15
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There is no legal way to get directx 10 on xp. Someone might come up with an illegal fix though.
And if directx 10 wont work, fspc x 10 wont either.

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Quote: "Microsoft Will Not Release DirectX 10 for Windows XP – ATI.
DirectX 10 Hardware Will Fully Utilize Itself Only Under Windows Vista

Category: Video

by Anton Shilov

[ 05/25/2006 | 10:40 AM ]

Microsoft Corp., the world’s largest maker of software, will not release next-generation graphics application programming interface (API) called DirectX 10 for the currently shipping Windows XP operating system (OS), instead, the company will keep the new API strictly for the forthcoming Windows Vista OS, despite earlier assumptions about DirectX 10 for the XP.

During a DirectX 10-related event in London, UK, Richard Huddy, ATI Technologies’ software developers relations chief, said that Microsoft’s Vista will integrate DirectX 10 and DirectX 9 APIs for different types of hardware, but the current Windows XP will not get DirectX 10 support, as suggested some rumours earlier. For end users this means that to get the most advantages of the new-generation graphics processing units (GPUs), the new OS will be required.

Both ATI Technologies and Nvidia Corp. planned to release hardware that supports DirectX 10 capabilities as early as in the second half 2006, however, if there will be no API, which unveils the features of the hardware, the companies may reconsider their plans.

Microsoft Windows Vista is expected to be available in very early 2007.

DirectX 10 API, which is also referred to as Windows Graphics Foundation 2.0, solves numerous performance-related problems, particularly, it shrinks overhead time spent by API and driver on execution. Additionally, ATI says its first DirectX 10 graphics processor – code-named R600 – will have unified shader micro-architecture, which will allow to boost performance even further compared to currently existing micro-architectures and . The performance improvements are conditioned by a special built-in arbiter processor, which will “tailor” rendering of every frame across the 64 unified shader pipelines. Such an approach, according to ATI, allows to utilize all execution engines within the chip, while in traditional architectures – where pixel shaders and vertex shaders are calculated by dedicated units – some of the arithmetic processors may stand idle waiting for others to complete their tasks.

Microsoft Corp., who develops DirectX API collaboratively with companies like ATI and Nvidia, did not comment on the news-story."


http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20060525104034.html

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Cricket
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Thanks guys.
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Someone is gonna hack the code soon

*Goes to google*

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fallen one
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Can we try the x10 demo on XP without the card it states? so we can see the demo but its performance is way slower? Or will it just not run at all and can damage your computer?

So can those without the specs run this all be it with bad frames, or will it just not run at all?
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Mickm
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I would suspect it would not run at all. It is built using the new Direct X 10 API's which do not exist in DX9

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Posted: 16th Apr 2007 21:34
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But the first ever time they tested X 10 they tested it in DX9. But they got like 2 FPS... And they were using a G8800. So basically it will either crash your comp; or you'll get 1 or 2 FPS.


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TGPEG
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Posted: 16th Apr 2007 22:28
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Well thats a bit rubbish. Really.
Otherwise. You'd. be. reading. the. whole. of. this. post. like. this. An that's annoying. I can see why you'd want to build a game and see how pretty it looks, but TGC probably won't see the point in making it for DX9 and XP, because it would only run at 1 or 2 fps and crash pc's loads - resulting in quite a few unhappy downloaders. See what I mean?

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Posted: 16th Apr 2007 22:35
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I know; I was just replying to
Quote: "Can we try the x10 demo on XP without the card it states?"



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I find it odd that they get such poor frame rates,
from what I saw, it adds bloom, soft shadows, reflection, real reflection not a cube map, and instancing of objects,
apart from the instancing, the others should be available in DX9, other engines do it, all be it very high priced ones, and Im sure the instancing has been done in other engines, not the 100 characters on screen type, but of objects I have seen it done, don't get me wrong I am all for fpsc x10, but I find it odd that it needs x10, but I'm certainly no expert on the tech side, but I am sure some of what was shown can be ported to the regular version of the engine, Ill still be upgrading to try this out mind you. I hope they put some more screen shots and videos up, they should also shell out for some top notch art assets as well, if you have the tech use it.

Also will fpsc have parallax mapping, I haven't seen any great examples of shaders being used to great effect, the normal mapping is slight, its probably just the examples that come in the sci fi set not being too good, dump the Nvidia normal map creator in photshop, its not very good at all, there are better tools than that for normal maps, try crazy bump instead, much better results, they have a beta test at the moment, haven't seen good specularity either, but like I say the shaders are only used in the sci fi sections of the game content, I haven't got round to importing my own stuff yet as I'm pretty full on doing other stuff and setting up my art pipeline, so Ill have a better idea of what its capable of later.
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Posted: 16th Apr 2007 22:49
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that second paragraph is regular fpsc not DX10 version, damn they should have an edit button on these forums.
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That really ticks me off. They need to release it for XP, there are already problems with vista with other softwares that won't run on them. ugh.... i'm just gonna have to stick with normall FPSC for awhile.

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Posted: 17th Apr 2007 02:13
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Quote: "that second paragraph is regular fpsc not DX10 version, damn they should have an edit button on these forums."


There is an edit button.
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Steve J
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Posted: 17th Apr 2007 08:01
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*sigh* The problem is, this is a company that is on a limited budget, and not an extreme 20 person job of programmers, it is basically 2 programmers on the engine. If you want the features in DirectX 9, go buy a $2000 engine. If you want a cheaper engine with many of the same features, but requiring directX 10, then get FPSC. Im sorry, but you are living a pipe dream in this aspect. If you really expect a 2 man to 3 man show to perform this greatly, you need to actually learn programming and see how hard it is.

And the Vista thing Shadow heart is bull. I run FPSC, DBP, many many applications and games (from Kotor to C&C 3) on my PC, and I run Vista. 99% of the applications work fine with a right click set permissions, set compatibility to XP SP 2, and run as admin. So many false ideas on Vista right now its not funny.

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Posted: 17th Apr 2007 08:07 Edited at: 17th Apr 2007 08:12
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oh i have heard a lot of crap about what won't run on vista, especially zune which i'm listening to when doing design on the computer but never looked onto it. I see...

thanks for the confirmation steve j

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To be honest I think it's a load of tosh!
Surly its your PC's graphics card and RAM and all that rubbish and not the operating system. To me Vista is just a new way of oganising things.

Say My bro bought a top of the range PC with Vista installed And I got the same PC with XP installed what would make DX10 run on vista and not XP.

As I said I think it's just a load of rubbish!


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hey - just buy vista and it'll work or you could chose a cruder option...

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Shadow heart
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i know, i love XP and am fine with it. I just really want X10 and it will only run on vista, so i am going to wait till i get' a new computer....ughlol

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The Zune works, I use it with it right now (love the 3" screen, its why I bought it=D)

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