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FPSC Classic Product Chat / Hope for FPSC X10

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Lon
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Posted: 17th Apr 2007 20:28
Nvidia just released cheaper DX10 cards for a sub $200 price. Read below.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6169151/index.html?tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot

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Posted: 17th Apr 2007 20:32
Cool...then after that I just have to buy a new memory card,Vista and FPSCx10.
But that beats paying $600-800 for a graphics card any day of the week.

Locrian
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Posted: 17th Apr 2007 20:34
Oh that's nice....Now 200$ is much more tolerable. Nice find Lon.

Loc

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Posted: 17th Apr 2007 20:40 Edited at: 17th Apr 2007 20:41
I know, there was no way I could justify an $800 card. If I were to buy an $800 card, my wife would do to me.....well, I just don't want to explain it, too bloody.

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FredP
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Posted: 17th Apr 2007 20:50
I may have that problem with a $200 card.

Slayer Simon
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Posted: 17th Apr 2007 22:24
Looking at that though, these 250 MB cards are basically nothing compared to even the GTS. If I were going to buy one, I would spend an extra 200 and by the GTS which is like what? three times better?
Drapes#10
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Posted: 17th Apr 2007 22:24
I can probably afford that. In about 2 years!!! LOL. jk.

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Strelok
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Posted: 17th Apr 2007 22:29
Well still to muth for a DX10 card...Why it can be just 50$...
Steve J
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Posted: 18th Apr 2007 05:07
Err..wow. That might be because this is the REAL world....

@Slayer Simon: Actually the benchmarks show very competitive results=), look them up.

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Slayer Simon
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Posted: 18th Apr 2007 06:48
I did, the 8600 GTS have one third of the stream processors of the 8800 GTS. Look at the performance chart on that web page that Lon gave the link to, the 8800 GTS is pwning all of them by far. And that doesn't even take into account the 8800 GTX.

Still, a worthy investment if you want to upgrade.

I do realise that some people might be unwilling to admit this because they really want to believe that this is a good deal so that they can get DX10.
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Posted: 18th Apr 2007 10:47 Edited at: 18th Apr 2007 10:48
ah so if you buy a Gts card,
develop a game using its power to drive it.
how good would it perform using a cheaper card,
be realistic ime sure if this is the case then
using a cheaper less powefull card and developing
games for the avarage person, who would be purchasing
the cheaper version, so although the game u created
looked stuning on the gts you have, then it might run
crap on a less expensive card, so what card will you
develop for ?. i know i would devolop for the majority,
rather than develop for the minority, thats if you are
pinning your hopes on x10 for developing a game comercialy,
WyattEarp
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Posted: 20th Apr 2007 17:08
pdidy, so basically the ideal thing to do is buy a crap card and develop with it so the people who cant afford a decent card are happy. The $250 GTS is cheap and does great , and the $350 GTS is awesome and will last a loong time. So you can get the el cheapo cards twice a year to try and keep up, or just get one good one that will last years.
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Posted: 21st Apr 2007 00:11 Edited at: 21st Apr 2007 00:35
well i am lucky i have a choice what i can purchase,
but not everyone does,
i was just stating that the best is not always the best
at least in early stages of vista and game development,
and if you was to make a game that was fine for you using the
best card you can get then fine if you are happy,
but for others who cant aford the best then your game to them
would be poinless to purchase. and i wouldnt say the cheaper card is crap, just more practical, as nvidia are just developing new cards, what about the other companies, i say wait a couple of months and the new cards. will be more equal to the ones
manufactured now at less than half the price,
and the one you purchased will be out of date in 6-8
months anyways, nothing is future proof beond 6 months now
just left adequate,

you might want to keep an eye out for this,R600
Candle_
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Posted: 21st Apr 2007 00:53
Quote: "i say wait a couple of months and the new cards. will be more equal to the ones
manufactured now at less than half the price,
and the one you purchased will be out of date in 6-8
months anyways, nothing is future proof beond 6 months now
just left adequate,"

+1

Jeremiah
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Posted: 21st Apr 2007 00:58
Never develop or build for others using the highest end system. (unless your building models) If you are serious, you should have have 2 systems.

1) The highest biggest and baddest system you can afford.
2) A system that is just slightly above the minimum requirements that your engine should be run on.
Dreadfully Despized
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Posted: 21st Apr 2007 06:47
my x1900xtx is quite old and runs dx10 fine.
Slayer Simon
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2007 00:40 Edited at: 23rd Apr 2007 01:00
My [mod edit] it does.
Jeremiah
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2007 00:49
It is a great video card, and really good for FPSC, but there is no way you are running x-10 on it.
FredP
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2007 01:01
Quote: "My [mod edit] it does."

That really wasn't necessary and you know the rules.If you wish to continue being a part of the community please follow the rules.
Fine thing to do just after getting off post approval.

Shadow heart
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2007 01:09
it looks great!

to the ones thats trapped inside of you, this is it!!
SamHH
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2007 01:09
But will these less expensive cards run fpscX10 as well as the 8800 or will it just be slooow?
Jeremiah
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2007 01:37
Quick Capabilities question.

Will FPSX-10 allow me to have models that are this well done





I want my characters to look as realistic as possible. I am also wanting the ability for the characters to come up to you and be able talk by using darkvoices.

Any chance you all might integrate that capability into FPSC.
Conjured Entertainment
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2007 09:27
Quote: "GeForce 8500 GT
Price Range $199-229 $149-159 $89-129 "


WOW!!! DirectX10 FOR $89 !!!!

Who cares is it is slower than the others.
This makes it affordable for everybody.
I will probably go with the 8600 GTS. (but I think I saw this offered at 512mb somewhere else)

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FredP
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2007 09:33
Hey!I might be able to afford to upgrade after all...

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Posted: 23rd Apr 2007 10:49
That's cool, Nvidia is really ramping up production so everyone can get one. ATI better get their butt in gear or Nvidia will have both the hardcore and casual market.

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FredP
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2007 11:03
Whoever has the cheapest one gets my cash...unless it's Intel...their cards suck.

MikeB
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2007 11:55
Quote: "Whoever has the cheapest one gets my cash...unless it's Intel...their cards suck."


Yup.

I've got one in my laptop..... so X10 will have to wait until i can afford a completely new pc.


E.D.

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Posted: 24th Apr 2007 03:38 Edited at: 24th Apr 2007 04:01
Quote: "so X10 will have to wait until i can afford a completely new pc."


That's what I want to do too. (new pc)

I was thinking of these two systems at BestBuy.
The cheaper one ($1400) is a Duo. The higher one ($3900) is a Quad.
The Duo has the 8600 GT, and the Quad Core has the 8800 GTS.

What do you think about using one of these two systems for FPSC-X10?
(I would like to get the cheap one)

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Posted: 24th Apr 2007 04:24 Edited at: 24th Apr 2007 04:24
@ Conjured Entertainment:
Quote: "What do you think about using one of these two systems for FPSC-X10?
(I would like to get the cheap one)"


I talked with someone from Best Buy. They said the 8600 should work fine. They said that the 8800 was the first card to be released, but they released the 8600 to fit into laptops, since the 8800 would not fit. Other then that, they should be the same. You would be paying more for a faster processor, but that would have nothing to do with the card not working with FPSCX10. I inquire about the same thing, when I was seeing if the gamnes I would make with X10 would be able to work on laptops and desktoips as well as what cards it would not support. The technician there broke it all done as I told him the requirements to run it.I hope this helps. So what it comes down to is do you want to have a faster processor or not.

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Posted: 24th Apr 2007 04:32 Edited at: 24th Apr 2007 04:37
Quote: "So what it comes down to is do you want to have a faster processor or not."


I think I do and I found a better deal.

Check out eCollegePC

I just clicked their custom builder and put the following together for about $2000

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 with 4 processing cores at 2.4 ghz each.
4 GB DDR2 800mhz RAM
Twin 500mb hard drives for a TB of storage
Twin DVD Burners with lightscribe (I wear these out)
nVidia GeForce 8800 GTS 640mb
Windows Vista Premium 32bit
IEEE 1394 Firewire ports (3)

Thats a sweeter system than you can get a best buy for $2000.

Does anyone know where to get a system like above for less money?

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Posted: 24th Apr 2007 06:03
I bought my PC at Best Buy and the guy who sold it to me told me I had the latest graphics card,plenty of memory,was up to date and would be great for gaming.
It has a discontinued Intel graphics card (discontinued before I bought it),not enough memory,was not up to date and is great for gaming unless you want to play a game made in the last 4 years.
Then Geek Squad took my computer back to the GS spot and "updated" it.
Several hours later they finally put it all in boxes and I took it home.
Got home and went to put it together and had no keyboard,mouse or speakers.
Had to go all the way back to Best Buy and get them the next day.
Apparantly the genius from GS didn't realize the computer would require those things to work.
Best Buy sucks...
Next month I am getting a memory card and I am slowly going to build my pc into the next gen.

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Posted: 24th Apr 2007 06:14
I recommend getting a custom built machine by yourself. Trust me, the cases alone make it worthwhile, with their better thermal situated design, and more standard and updatable positioning of mobos and psus.

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Mr Makealotofsmoke
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Posted: 24th Apr 2007 06:52
im gonna wait for the 8700 or a 512mb 8600
i want 512mb cause 256mb is not much and is gonna bein the minimum specs of games soon (like TDU)


Mods, its 500x100, so you cant tell me its bigger than 600x120
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Posted: 24th Apr 2007 06:55
Quote: "i want 512mb cause 256mb is not much and is gonna bein the minimum specs of games soon (like TDU)"

And like FPSC.

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Posted: 25th Apr 2007 06:13 Edited at: 25th Apr 2007 06:21
Quote: "Next month I am getting a memory card and I am slowly going to build my pc into the next gen."

The first computer I built my self was comprised of parts bought at eCollegePC.
The last computer that I built (the one I am using now) is comprised of parts bought at eCollegePC.

I think the reason they sell the systems pre-assembled with the specs you ordered (and steered away from selling parts) is because to many self-builders had trouble putting it all together. Fewer headaches for them by assuring a working system was sent.

Quote: "I recommend getting a custom built machine by yourself. "

That's what the "custom builder" is all about.

I am challenging people to spec the system in my post above for less money.
Can anyone come up with a 2.4 quad Q6600 with a TB storage and 4GB memory with a GeForce 8800 GTS for less money???

Or can anyone come up with other systems that would run X10 out of the box at a lower cost?

Edit
The idea being that we can all work together on locating the best hardware vendors so all of us will benefit from the savings. I am not trying to hijack your thread Lon, just thinking beyond the cards alone.

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Posted: 26th Apr 2007 07:40
I'm back off my ban and I think everyone deserves a formal apology for saying the "A" word. It was way too harsh and I should have thought before posting. My bad.

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