well, most of the time I use making the teeht of both creatures. Oh and wings on the secon one has only smooth, no subfur. When I add the subfur on the dragon lizard wings, it looks like it has butterfly wings. I didn't said it was perfect. I'm just a beginner, so I can't do much of the things. And I know that I have to do a bit more myself than just using the subfur button. Hey, does anyone have a tutorial how to make a girl model. I'm allways having problems with that. I would be veryy thankfull if anyone could help me on that.