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DarkBASIC Professional Discussion / Fair use?

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takachi
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Posted: 30th May 2003 10:28
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I own two liscenses for DBpro, and yet, I only have one CD. I purchased the software once, subsequently lost the CD, and was forced to purchase a second. If there were no copy protection, I would not have had this problem, but the people who distribute this otherwise fine product treat us like criminals rather than customers. I don't want to give the program to all of my friends, I don't want to distribute it, I just want a backup, a legitimate reason to copy. Is there anything I can do?
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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 30th May 2003 10:35
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get CDRWIN or Alcohol 120% or EasyCD6 or ... well you get the idea.

the copyright is a nice deterant, but at the end of the day you can copy the CD and it isn't that hard to do if you know what your doing.
simplest 2 i've found so far are EasyCD6 and Alcohol 120% because both have the option box for the copyright protection

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takachi
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Posted: 30th May 2003 13:20
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Although Alcohol was able to create an image from the DBpro CD, I could not install the program or run it from the burned CD. Dark Basic People, why do you treat us so poorly? I know you guys download mp3's. I bet you have pirated versions of PS and flash and acrobat and chances are, windows, yet you spit in your customer's faces. I just want a backup!

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MrTAToad
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Posted: 30th May 2003 13:47 Edited at: 30th May 2003 13:48
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Well you have got a backup - even if you cant use it its still a backup.

Actually you can use it - for that you have to try a use a bit of brainpower...

And be careful of saying who's got pirated copies of programs - sure you dont want to be on the receiving end of a slander lawsuite...

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Andy Igoe
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Posted: 30th May 2003 18:00
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I wrote a program in 4 lines to remove the DBPro CD check from my system. It worked so well that I dont even need to re-hack when I patch... The answer? I'm not telling you, just that it is possible.

In your situation however, I would have recommended contacting DB and showing them your book - perhaps posting them the manual cover. That should be proof enough and that's only if they didn't have a record of the sale themselves.

What's more it would probably be faster then waiting for the sale to be processed!

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Ian T
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Posted: 30th May 2003 19:49
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There's nothing illegal with making as many archival copies as you want.

There are numerous ways to get around the CD Check if it annoys you. Just run 'Editor' instead of 'Launch' is one.

I hope this dosen't annoy the devs, but I'm pretty sure just about everyone knows it already...

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Rob K
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Posted: 30th May 2003 20:58
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@jeva

You have no rights in either the UK or the US to be able to make a backup copy - there is a commonly circulated myth that you do. The only right you have in the UK is that you are legally entitled to make a backup copy for personal use - but the developers are allowed to do whatever they want to make it difficult, in the interests of revenue protection.

Saying that you are treated like criminals is true. But because 90% of PC users own pirated software, I can't blame DBS.

"and was forced to purchase a second. "

Don't be stupid. Just contact DBS and ask for a replacement CD.

Besides, the "anti-piracy" protection in DBPro is less secure than a china piggybank. IMO it wasn't even worth the time spent implementing it. The media security is a complete joke as well. If DBS want to protect revenue, they should have somehow implemented a system whereby only registered users could download the updates (via a BUID like system - where people have to enter it to access the download and again when they install it), thus forcing people to purchase the software.

/rant.

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Ian T
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Posted: 30th May 2003 22:42
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Rob, you are entirely wrong.

EVERY EULA says You have the right to make a copy for archival purposes only. ALL software, DarkBASIC Pro included.

As for the '90%', that's an estimate and an old one.

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Andy Igoe
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Posted: 30th May 2003 22:52
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I think he just did a fresh estimate

The thing about EULA's is the publisher can write in to it pretty much what they want - allowing you a backup is a liberty they're awarding you, not a right.

The right to do it really stems in your ability to do so because no-one comes around and checks these things anyway, unless your a company.

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takachi
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Posted: 30th May 2003 23:16
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forgive me for being such a n00b, pneumatic. I have no idea how to write such a crack. I'm a student, a novice, just learning, and you're just being a snob...

Not that you guys care, but I agree with rob about their anti-piracy measures, except to say, they work pretty well against n00bs like me...

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takachi
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oh hey... the editor... somehow it hadn't occurred to me that they wouldn't encode their CD verification into the actual program.. Wow do I feel stupid. LOLOLOLOL laughing at myself....

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Andy Igoe
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Posted: 30th May 2003 23:29
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I'm being a snob because I hacked it in 4 lines of code or because I wont tell you?

I wont tell you because I would be stepping on dangerous ground to do so. I mentioned that I did it because you asked.

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Rob K
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Posted: 31st May 2003 01:47
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"As for the '90%', that's an estimate and an old one"

But its true though isn't it Come on folks - I reckon everybody in this forum has at least one piece of pirated software.

A certain file is created when DBProAssist.exe is run. Look at it.

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the_winch
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Quote: "Rob, you are entirely wrong.

EVERY EULA says You have the right to make a copy for archival purposes only. ALL software, DarkBASIC Pro included."


You have a right to make a copy but the publisher doesn't have to make it easy. As it is impossible to make a cd that can't be copied they can't make it impossible to bakup jut difficult useing common and cheap equipment.

On another note I installed patch 4.1 right after installing dbpro and it hasn't asked for the cd yet and the certain file doesn't appear to exist.
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