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3 Dimensional Chat / making a human

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RichMan
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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 12:39
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hi all, I was wondering, what do methods do you use for making humans in 3d? I'm still working on mine but I used make-human to get the shape I wanted and I'm using that as a 3d reference image . I just need to do the head and make the wrists better then I'll post a screen shot of it. So how do you do it? I tried 2d reference images but it really didnt work for me

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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 13:37
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Extrude extrude extrude.
Not the best way to go about it...

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hessiess
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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 14:29 Edited at: 27th Oct 2007 14:31
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2d images work perfectly, but thay take time to line up.

closly study the mesh of the make human modal before dooing the face.

the topolagy on a human modal MUST BE PERFECT, if it is slightly bad it often wrecks realisam the whole modal

learn blender, you will never regret it.

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RichMan
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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 17:42
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thanks for the tip, I'll be sure to have a look when I try it next. How many polys usually do your people turn out then? I remember somewhere it said that they should be about 3000-4000 polys for a game but with todays uber computers I'd thought they could be more now...

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3.5 k absolute minimum, anuthing less just looks bad. you should be able to have up to 5 k esaly, and 10k if you only recwire a 1/2 on screen at once. the gforce 7600 can manage up to around 150k ploys on screen, newer cards would obviously manage more.

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Sloan
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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 21:09
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First things first...are you using quads or tris? 3000 quad model will look better than a 3000 tri poly model. Second, know the engine. Game engines vary so you will have higher poly counts with newer and more advanced engines because they take advantage of the newer graphics card capabilities. For FPSC you are not going to be using too many 10K models. Gears of War, on the other hand, which uses he Unreal engine 3, uses 15K polys for some of its main characters and enemies.

Lastly, while make human can give you a good start, you will have to make adjustments for clothing and proper edge loops. Do research on how the pros do it, you'll be surprized how much you can learn. Good luck.
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John H
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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 22:06
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The average Gears of War character was about 8k-10k, then of course they had all sorts of crazy texturing techniques on them to make them look as brilliant as they do. For the average game, about 4k is the average for a humanoid As hessiess said, you cant mess up the shape of a human because quite simply, everyone knows what a human looks like! The proportions have to be -perfect- in order to make the model be a believable human to a viewer. So... strict use of reference images and lots of studying! For animation, knowing the muscle structure of a human (especially for facial animations) will help BUCKETLOADS. I thought those biology classes were completely useless, until we started animating in my 3D classes at college. Knowing muscles helps astronomically!


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RichMan
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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 23:52
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cool thanks I'll spend some time over the next week looking at these muscles. It seems logical now I think of it but I hadnt thought of it before lol.
I'm using a next-gen style engine so I should be able to get about 10k ish I'm soon going to be updating my graphics card to the Nvidea 8800 or something along those lines so hopefully graphics card related performance issues shouldnt be too much of a problem after then, I've got a 6600 atm.

I'll do some research of pro modelling in the morning (its getting late now)

thankyou for all of your advice and information it is greatly appreciated

RichMan


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Posted: 28th Oct 2007 00:53
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The obvious answer would be the old, when a mummy and a daddy are deeply in love they...but I'm sure you know the facts of life.

Now for something helpful...

Right, I made a basic character modelling tutorials - it's not for humans, but what you learn should be very useful when applied to humans...I would follow up with the making of 'the demon' but unfortunately the forum where I got some of the most helpful pieces of advice has been privatised. Anyway, what I have below should get you started, 3D character one provides a link for some fantastic character references and the written parts of my tutorials there are points to consider that also should be helpful alongside the main tutorial)

3D Character modelling for absolute beginners.
http://seppuku-arts.66ghz.com/seppuku05/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=1
3D Modelling Basics (With modelling methods - can be useful when approaching an object...you may find certain methods work better in certain situations)
http://seppuku-arts.66ghz.com/seppuku05/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=1

Good luck mate.

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JimB
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Posted: 28th Oct 2007 01:06
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Have you seen my character model guide http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=113406&b=3

Its for GameSpace but most modelers will do.
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RichMan
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Posted: 28th Oct 2007 11:47
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thankyou for those links both of you, they are very helpful, they have some really useful tips and are just great lol

thankyou

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calcyman
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Posted: 31st Oct 2007 23:07
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I roughly remember Da Vinci representing the human proportions. Try to include the golden ratio as much as possible, as it occurs in nature, and is supposed to look aesthetically pleasing.

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Well you see, when a 3d man loves a 3d woman...

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Posted: 1st Nov 2007 11:40
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xD

I model I clean and I cook for you... AND I STILL DONT GET A COOKIE!!?!!?!?!!?!??
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