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FPS Creator X10 / DirectX 10 Card Compatibility

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LeeBamber
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Posted: 1st Nov 2007 17:17 Edited at: 2nd Nov 2007 03:35
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This thread is dedicated to listing out the real-world results X10 gets on various DirectX 10 graphics cards, as well as those cards which are compatible, but for which real-world results are not yet known. You are encouraged to post to this thread if you have a DirectX 10 card for which you know the results when running X10.

TGC Tested Cards At 01/11/07:

* GeForce 8800 GTX - ForceWare 163
- 100% compatible and recommended

* GeForce 8500 GT - ForceWare 163
- average performance with most effects switched off
- slow with all effects switched on (not recommended)

* ATI Radeon 2900 XT - Catalyst 7.8 & 7.9
- known issue : test game runs, but screen can switch to black
- known issue : random freezing - hard lock in driver

* ATI Radeon 2900 XT - Catalyst 7.7
- known issue : under powered in performance and odd 3D overloads
- known issue : mipmapping corruption, no freezing or hard lock

USER Tested Cards:

* 8800 GTS 640mb - Works great
* 8800 GTS 320mb - ForceWare 163 - All ran very smoothly

Untested Cards:

* GeForce 8800 Ultra
* GeForce 8800 GT
* GeForce 8600 GTS
* GeForce 8600 GT
* GeForce 8400 GS

Minimum Specification FAQ:

Q> I have a minimum specification machine and want to run X10 as fast as possible, how can I do this?

A> There are a number of measures you can take to ensure you get the fastest performance. The first major change should be to switch off all refraction effects in the level, by going to the X10 effects menu and moving the slider bar to zero for window and water refraction. You can also switch off reflection, shadows and bloom in the same way to increase performance. You can also reduce the windows desktop size so that when the X10 engine runs, it uses a smaller display resolution. The smaller the resolution, the less work the pixel shaders have to do and the faster your game level will be. You can also watch the resource meter to see what happens during your level, and respond with the correct level optimization based on which resource maxes out. See the user manual for advice on how to do this.

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Posted: 1st Nov 2007 17:29 Edited at: 1st Nov 2007 17:31
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I have nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS 320 mb DDR3 graphics card. This card performs very well for fpsc x10 . I tried running fpsc x10 with this card and all ran very smoothly..! So i will say this card is 100% compatible and recommended and my forceware was 163.69

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I have the 8800 GTS 640mb. And this card also performs great with X10. Been using it since March.

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I have a 1968 GPU with 32KB of RAM. Will that work?

Apparently the 9 series are coming out soon, I'll get one of them.

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The GeForce 8600 GTS Is working with the FPSCX10 demo

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DEMO?!!? what type is it? mines a 256MB 8800GTS

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Bond1, what's the average framerate you get from running X10 with all settings maxxed? Just asking, because that's the card I'm getting for my upcoming Vista.
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Lee, do you think an 256MB 8600GT card will run X10 with refraction turned off and maybe one other useless feature like that? I would also tone down the graphics to a lower resolution too. But I would want to be able to keep and use other good features like stencil shadows, water and good AI. Or should I seriously consider an upgrade to a 320MB 8800 or better?
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The AI will still be good even with all the setting turned off...
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Are you sure...

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AI is not a graphical feature... so I'm sure it'll work 100% fine with everything toned down. I think you'd be able to have like 100 characters with everything toned down
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AI DOES take up CPU though and sometimes a lot of it.

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Quote: "Apparently the 9 series are coming out soon, I'll get one of them."

Yeah, that should also make the prices of the 8800 drop a lot.

I'll let you guys know how the 8800 GT works as soon as I get my hands on FPSC X10!

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What about the ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600 will it be sufficient?
it is a DirectX 10 card
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It will run good,but you will have to cut down some efects...
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Hi,
can I also use fpsc x10 with a radeon x800 (supports only direct x9)
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Quote: "can I also use fpsc x10 with a radeon x800 (supports only direct x9) "


The answer is in your question.

http://www.freewebs.com/teammegabasic/
For low price FPSC and Dark BASIC media packs.
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Yeah, the answer is in your question dude. And if you don't know the answer, think of what is said below:

You're comparing FPS Creator X10 and Directx 9...

Is there a similarity with the number 10 and 9? NO!!!
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NOOOOO!!!! this stinks, for the nine hundredth time, FPSCX10 refused to run and why?:

the world will end, so will my comp!

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Quote: "Is there a similarity between the number 10 and 9? NO!!!"


REALLY?!! I just learned something new.

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NOOOO!!! its still happening!!!!! i even updated my drivers again!!!!

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Quote: "Is there a similarity between the number 10 and 9? NO!!! "

Apart from being next to eachother, no. Lol, just had to say that.

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Hm ok, then the best way would be to buy a GeForce 8500 GT I think cause it isn't tooooooooooooo expensive.
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How about the new 8800 GT that was just released? Did you read what performance you'll get with an 8500 GT:

Quote: "GeForce 8500 GT - ForceWare 163
- average performance with most effects switched off
- slow with all effects switched on (not recommended)"


8800 cards are recommended, and the 8800 GT is the cheapest out all the 8800 cards.
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Come on!!!! i cant run it!!!! i have a 8500GT 256MB GDDR2 with VISTA!!!

what am i doing wrong... i really wanna play a x10 game i made... not bioshock all day...

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I can run BioShock at the highest settings including the resolution without frames droping, it won't be fair if FPSX10 won't run well.

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What about FPSX10 with SLI Dual nVidia 8600 GTS's Running in an AMD 6000 64 Dual Core 3 Gig Processor with 2 Gigs of Ram, how well will FPSX10 Run on this system, since this is the next upgraded system purchase I'm making next month or December at the latest.

Please Respond Honestly, on the performance, if anyone has tested with SLI Dual Cards, Please post your results.

Thanks, btw, all the 8800 owners, are you talking a single 8800 or Dual? I really need to know if my 8600 Dual GTS's will smoke a single 8800 or should I just purchase the single 8800 ????

Thanks for any help, btw: Lee Please Respond via email if possible, since I am serious about x10 purchase, and I also want to know if you decided to allow physics finally in the multiplayer mode..

If NOT, then that will seriously affect my purchase decisions...

Thanks Lee,

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Hi, I was hoping to buy a new laptop soon and it comes with "Dual NVIDIA® GeForce® Go 8700M GT" graphics cards, how do you think FPSC X10 will run on this?
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Dual 8700s? Ive never heard of dual 8700s in a laptop. Link?


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It's Dell's XPS M1730 [link]
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so would you say that the "BFG GeForce 7300GT - graphics adapter - GF 7300 GT - 512 MB[/b]" wouldn't work correctly for this.
putting all this together with Vista, The Video card, and FPSC X10 itself are all really expensive together.

...Is it all worth it?...

Offset a little to the left. Or was it the right?
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Believe it is woorth it like when you see a real ferrari with a price tag of 300 dollars...
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would a nvidia geforce go 7150m 287mb of storage work?

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No, its not DirectX 10. Try an NVIDIA 8XXX.


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its on a vista, im im sure i have x 10 on it, and its in a laptop

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Having Direct X10 is different then being able to run it. Anyone can download it, but it will only work on geforce 8 series GPU's. (and some ATI's).


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oh, thanks

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Quote: "Come on!!!! i cant run it!!!! i have a 8500GT 256MB GDDR2 with VISTA!!!

what am i doing wrong... i really wanna play a x10 game i made... not bioshock all day..."

Dude, that's a tech demo. (and outdated at that)
It only shows you the cool effects that will be in the engine. (you can't make games with it)

The tech demo requires DirectX 9.
If you want it to run then make sure you have the latest DirectX9 installed also.

All of this has been addressed time and time again.
Do a search. Or, just wait a few weeks and try the real thing.

Quote: "I can run BioShock at the highest settings including the resolution without frames droping, it won't be fair if FPSX10 won't run well."

FPSC X10 is not a game, it's a tool that is used to create games.
I know that statement sounds obvious, but it should be kept in mind.

You are comparing apples to oranges.
Yes they are both fruit, but very different flavors.

In fact, Bioshock IS NOT X10, it's DirectX 9. (see its system requirements)
So really its like comparing Apples to Steel-Wool.

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I think i buy a new video card.

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I have a gefoce 8600 with 256mb i think. will that work? I think its a gt

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It will work Scda47, but do not expect a great performance.

Keep in mind that you need Vista as well.


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Quote: "I have a gefoce 8600 with 256mb i think. will that work? I think its a gt"

Will work. Not with highest settings, but will work.
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So does anyone think the FPSC X10 will run smoothly on the card[s] I said?
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@Hilarious: Most definitely so.

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Alright thanks, Martin.
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I have a geforce 8500 gt is that good enough because I dont understand the problem to it.
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I'm assuming it is well, but does anyone know how well an 8800 GTS 320mb will perform? Since it's what I currently have.

@ Dan the Man: the 8500 is one of the lower models in the 8000 series, and as such, is far less powerful than the recomended 8600 and 8800 cards. It is capable of running direct x10 graphics, but it will not run them as well as the higher cards because it is cheaper and far less powerful.

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OK, Let me clear this up right now, yes DX10 supports and runs on other chipsets than the nVidia 8 Series. Proof, I have an nVidia Geforce FX5200 with 256Megs of Ram, and have the older set of nVidia drivers for Windows Vista, and have several DX10 Apps made and ran fine on my current system. So to Say that DX10 ONLY supports 8 Series is a mis-Statement. Now to say it runs a world better, is a true statement.

Also, since there is no Physics in the new FPSX10 Multiplayer mode, I better not waste the money until Lee gets the Multiplayer working good, instead of looking like a Ferrari on outside, only to perform like a volkswagon on inside. I will stick with 3DGS A7 / or TGEA, both of which support unlimited physics, even in multiplayer games.

Not to say I'm not thankful for all that Lee has done with DBPro, and the help, and truthfulness he has been in the past, is unheard of. So I will continue to use the other systems for now, and keep an eye on the developments of x10 and future updates for dynamic entities inside multiplayer mode, once those are in place, I will once again become a Game Creators customer / Developer.

Thanks again for everyones help, I hope everyone enjoys whatever system they use, in making their games, and remember if you need modeling or level design help, just shoot me an email, I do it all, code, script, model, level design, audio work, etc.. and I am very good at all of it now, after several years of work / practice.

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Quote: "OK, Let me clear this up right now, yes DX10 supports and runs on other chipsets than the nVidia 8 Series. Proof, I have an nVidia Geforce FX5200 with 256Megs of Ram, and have the older set of nVidia drivers for Windows Vista, and have several DX10 Apps made and ran fine on my current system. So to Say that DX10 ONLY supports 8 Series is a mis-Statement. Now to say it runs a world better, is a true statement."

Actually this is where you're wrong. Many DirectX10 applications (=games) also have DX9-mode so that people without Vista and DX10 cards could still play them (some visuals are cut or watered tho'). Some originally DX10 games have been able to get to run in DX9, but this is mainly since their original code was built with DX9 technology.

FPSCx10 will not work without a real DirectX10 supporting videocard, since it has been developed for Vista and DX10 from the very beginning. The only DX10 cards currently are Nvidia's 8000-series and Ati's HD 2000-series. You can use the Vista with DX9 cards, but those applications that are purely DX10-only will not work.
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