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Dark GDK / Disgusted

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Chalkey
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Posted: 6th Dec 2007 22:26 Edited at: 7th Jan 2015 11:39
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Naesa
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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 00:20
Oh man that sucks. The decent thing for tgc to do here is to offer you the commercial license for 37.60 less.
Pixel Perfect
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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 00:26 Edited at: 7th Dec 2007 00:27
Like you Andy, I purchased Dark GDK a few months back and considered it good value for money. Although it is now free, which personally I think is a great move on the part of TGC, you and I have not really lost out as we are still able to buy the Commercial licence at the old price should we wish to sell our games, whilst the freebee users will now have to fork out considerably more!

By the way, the Freeware qualifier reflects the fact that we bought the version that licences us to produce and distribute games as freeware ... to sell them for profit requires the Commercial licence. It is nothing to do with the fact that it is now available 'free of charge'.

No matter how good your code is, someone will improve on it
CattleRustler
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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 00:36
TGC is honoring the old DGDK Commercial price for owners of the dgdk. So no one who owns the dgdk by purchase of the freeware version will need to pay 499.

Aside from that, whatever was purchased whenever, TGC has the right to make the item free of charge anytime they see fit. No one can think something a good enough deal to purchase one day, and then moan the next day when it becomes free. You are bound by the state of the deal at the time you decided to accept it.

I'm not a huge fan of how tgc operates on certain issues, but in this case they havent done anything wrong.

My DBP plugins page is now hosted [href]here[/href]
RPDan
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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 19:04
I also bought it, but am not annoyed at all because it will soon mean that I will be able to use GDK.NET for free, rather than paying for it. Also, more plugins!
jason p sage
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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 19:16
Cattle Rustler Wrote
Quote: "Aside from that, whatever was purchased whenever, TGC has the right to make the item free of charge anytime they see fit. No one can think something a good enough deal to purchase one day, and then moan the next day when it becomes free. You are bound by the state of the deal at the time you decided to accept it."


And this reminds me of a little story in the bible:

A guy has land, and he agrees to pay a "Coin" for a day's wage to the workers who were there bright and early in the morning.

Mid-day, more workers arrive, and the owner of the land gives them the same deal - a coin - to work the rest of the day.

At day end - more workers arrive - and the owner agrees to give them also a coin for working out the rest of the day.

At the end of the day - the workers from the morning complained - "How come they get a coin for working only a little while, while we get the same coin for working the full day?"

The owner replies (paraphrased liek above): "Wicked and evil slave - I made a deal with you and kept it, and I made a deal with them and kept it - is it not my things(money) to do with as I please? Take your coin and go in peace."

CattleRustler
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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 20:55


My DBP plugins page is now hosted [href]here[/href]
Chalkey
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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 13:27
My point was Jason that my confidence in buying again from this company has been dented by the fact that they dropped the price of something I bought so quickly. Who knows what might be free tomorrow, and what is worth paying for now?

In comparison to your religious reference... how many workers do you think went back to the farm the next day?

Am not saying they have done any thing wrong, am only saying that ethics lay aside from what is leagally acceptable.
RPDan
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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 13:40
Quote: "In comparison to your religious reference... how many workers do you think went back to the farm the next day?"

Most of them, but probably all late.

The .NET version. Not tomorrow but quite soon, I think.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry too much about much else being free. They won't make the extra libraries free, otherwise they'd make no money from the GDK at all. I think you're pretty safe for buying stuff in the future.
jason p sage
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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 15:08
I understand the gripe - and frankly - I've been hit too I guess - but I don't have to pay as much for the commercial version as the "free partakers" do - so that's a plus - and as far as confidence - with TGC - Here's my take:

1: Customer Service - like formal posted questions - always get answered for me - or at least responded to.

2: All TGC programming "kits" aren't perfect - but they are pretty inituitive for the most part - and do us various approaches to get to our end - DarkBasic - Simple - funky - works - beginners and advanced people can use, DarkGDK - Let's those wantig more speed performance, flexibility with other C++ based things - like various physics things, gfx pkg's etc, and OOP, and the .Net allows those more concerned with .Net - use it without to much fuss - and it allows those developers create without having to do "all the lowlevel stuff" allowing them to concentrate on content - while getting many C++ benefits.

3: Buy buying stuff here and there - we are contributing to a both a company and a "groundwork" this community can use - that is controlled - keeping it from turning to chaos, a spam haven and pornish ad's etc. In short - it's both a fun and serious place to go to get help, discuss stuff, gripe, whatever - while having regular "magazines" and a place to go to for usually compatible products and models - straight up - a hobby store

4: Other GAME ENGINES!!! Go check them all out - and you'll see things that blow TGC away - and You'll see things that TGC blows away. Then you throw price into it - and you narrow things down to only a few players/products worth it. I've scoped many out - some have a very strange "program flow" - but yield good results - but aren't exactly intuitive - while others - are almost as hard as just using Direct-X directly. Some are just scripting engines. In short - I like TGC because the commands are almost idenctical for DBClassic - DBPro - (DarkSDK)DarkGDK, and DarkGDK.Net or whatever its called. In short - that for my dollar means I now have a prototyping language to test techniques "quickly" and beable to talks apples to apples with people about it - PLUS - once I have a technique "Down" I can move it almost verbatum to DarkGDK (C++) and for me - its faster that way - as iterative testing seems easier for me in DarkBasic Pro.

So - Perfect? No - but any commercial company in this "odd" field - I see why they need to keep thinking creatively to keep revenue going. Shoot - Microsoft does this same thing all the time.... Just think about VS versus VStudio Express - Or how about Microsoft internation software suite they won't sell to us "advanced/welltodo" countries? It has OS+MSOffice for pennies in one "bundle" - What can I do? Microsoft's creed is simple: Sell more software. That's how its done.

If TGC wants to get more people hooked - via a free GDK kit? so be it. I'll have more people to ask for help if I run into a snag!

I'm just rambling on though - but my point it - don't feel "Dented" about buying stuff - Shoot - the more people that are using and buying the programming stuff - the more likely we will see advancements to our arsenal - like DarkPhysics working with DarkGDK and DarkGDK.Net - and other neat things - perhaps updates and documentation to make Vista Users get similiar performance as XP people - who knows.

CoffeeGrunt
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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 18:21
[quote]Who knows, maybe tomorrow you will be giving all your products away...

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i wish.......

Niels Henriksen
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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 18:40
Quote: "
If TGC wants to get more people hooked - via a free GDK kit? so be it. I'll have more people to ask for help if I run into a snag!
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I can see that there are more life now in the forum after it was free. I cant wait to .NET is released.

Just because they make it free does'nt mean that the are tricking you. If you want to make money on your game then you still need to buy a licens for that. And what I can see is that its more expensive for an un-restricted royalty-free license. But becuase you bought it before it was free you dont need to pay the $499 but only $140 to have the same license. (http://gdk.thegamecreators.com/?f=order

Then no.... dont be upset just because they are getting more people over to DGDK. Just be happy about it

Niels Henriksen
Working on a (MMO)RPG right now in LightEngine
http://noggs.netopcom.dk/forum/default.asp - Forum for the game
jason p sage
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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 16:57
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