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DarkBASIC Professional Discussion / what kinds of level formats are you using for your games?

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coderguy
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i'd like to make a first person type game, but i can't get many .bsp's to display correctly. is anyone else using them? if not, what do you use? thanks!
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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 19th Jun 2003 05:08
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i use them... GTK Radient w/Quake3 Compiler + WinZip 8.x is all you need.
gimme 30min's i'll give you a quick tutorial on howto create a level with it & get it into DBP

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Dr OcCuLt
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bsp work for me have you tryed up dataing patch4.1.some of time half life map go odd in the some of old patchs

bay the way where did you get the .bsp from half-life or Quake 2-3?

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coderguy
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Raven - if you could post a tutorial or something, that would be great!

Dr Occult - I've tried all kinds; Counterstrike maps seem to work pretty well, just not Quake 3.

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Andy Igoe
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I use fractals. I don't recommend you try.

Not because fractal mapping techniques are incredibly complicated. It's just an awful lot of work to achieve something you could do in an editor in a few minutes.

I choose fractals because I love them, i'm madly in love with a random number sequence right now and i'm seeing 42,338,257 on the side at the same time.

Yes, programming fractals really will destroy your brain to a similar degree and doesn't in any way help you actually put an object on screen - infact, fractals just complicate the process.

/hug Fractals

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i use bsp....its the only level format we can use! [img] [/img]

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oki i'll start this tutorial in about 20mins ... i was gonna start earlier but then i remembed i hadn't finished Kevil's thing - which is now almost done, just a little extra textureing and some Doors to make

i'm about to post a screenshot in his thread if you wanna see what i've spent the past few hours tinkering with (^_^) for saying i've only stuck to conventional UV Mapping i don't think its a half had job either hehee.

i should have a working example tutorial up within the next 24hrs gotta go a specular bump map shader + want to work for around 8-9hrs on Randi's stuff... so no sleep tonite
but i don't actually care for once, i'm so happy getting back to doing some creative stuff

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I made my own formats dtk dtm dts dtt

http://www.lunarpixel.com
http://www.lunarpixel.com/dt/
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oops sorry i see what your referring to.

Bsps from quake 2 and 3 seem to be a lot better on this end when I tested some but im no bsp guru so I cant say what type of bsp is the best.

There will a portal system coming up in patch5 so you may want to experiment until then as this might be a much better solution in comparison to an alternative bsp method.

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Fractals are great for landscapes - although I know little about them, I still managed to make a landscape generator in Stoked.

If you look into Perlin noise - that's sorta like a fractal, except it's all random generated, and makes bitchin landscapes.

.X files are about the only real alternative to .BSP - you can control .X models quite easily, because doors, lifts etc can simply be seperate limbs. The automatic collision and detail hiding on .BSP's makes them worthwhile though.


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when patch-5 come out i think it going to hava a new format called DBproBSP this may work better then BSP for quake or half-life?

p.s. has the TEST P-5 go`n out on DBDN yet

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Thanks very much to everyone for all your help! I remember seeing that a tutorial comes with dbpro demonstrating an fps type game - is it a good example? (i haven't bought dbpro yet, and if the example is worth it, i would).

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Van, Stoked was real fun

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Dr OcCuLt
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the fps tutorial is very good.

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Mouse,
Thanks - I'm probably gonna upload the source soon.


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[/quote].X files are about the only real alternative to .BSP [quote]

So is bsp the best way to go then?
I shall try myself, and see if I encounter any problems.




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And they'll be even more of an alternative (hopefully) with patch 5.

I am working on two formats for levels:

1) heightmaps for sloping terrains (I managed to get a 600x750 tile example running today, but is really only limited only by memory)

2) heightmaps for regular formations (walls, steps, pillars etc - not yet started coding this one yet)

Then I'll combine the two to allow both formats to be used together on the same landscape.

Patch 5 should really make the two formats more usable than they are at the moment - they are a bit polygon intensive at the moment.
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