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Geek Culture / Video card came!!! But I urgently need yet more help....

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Ian T
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Posted: 27th Jun 2003 21:11 Edited at: 27th Jun 2003 21:11
Yes! It arrived! My nice new Radeon 9500 128mb arrived today. I'm very happy. I installed it mostly without any problems, but the issue is the power cables-- I don't have the slightest clue where they go. They look like they could connect to each other but I have a feeling that'd create a portal to dimension X or something similar... so I'm asking you guys .

I would refer to my manual, which I'm told to do, only problem is that it didn't come with one that's the price I pay for shopping from discount sites.

Quick help would be appreciated... I'm dying to try out my new card

(Thank all of you for helping thus far)

--Mouse

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Posted: 27th Jun 2003 21:20
can you take pictures? if you took a pic of the avaliable sockets in the back...

you sure you dont just plug it into the agp slot and boot up?

http://www.techtv.com/products/hardware/jump/0,23009,3388370,00.html

might help
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Posted: 27th Jun 2003 21:27
Ummmm, I'm not sure. That link is good, but... I knew those instructions and followed them. Inbetween steps 2 and 4 somewhere I was supposed to connect those cables somewhere. There are two, one branching off from the other... let me see if I can find a card review with pictures...

No, can't find any of the cables.

Funnily enough, one of the reviews I just looked at seemed to show that the card I just got was a 64mb when I bought a 128... wonder if they tried to cheat me too, or if the review was just messed up...

Anyways, I did plug it in and boot up, and my computer beeps constantly while my monitor displays the message that the power cables aren't connected.

--Mouse

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Ian T
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Posted: 27th Jun 2003 22:10
Okiedokie. I found instructions on ATI's site. I need to connect the card to the power supply. So I removed the casing, and... ah hell.

http://www.ati.com/support/connectors/radeon9500-9700/howtoconnectauxiliarypower.html

That's the diagram right there.

The problem is that the inside of my casing is so cluttered that I can't tell where the power supply even IS. It seems like I'll have to remove the HARD DRIVE to even see it. Ack...

Any help here?

--Mouse

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Posted: 27th Jun 2003 22:14
Just do as it says in the link.
Quote: "
O Disconnect a power line from a CDROM or HARD disk.
O Connect one end of the ATI Power Extension Cable to the end of the cable you just removed.
O Connect the other end of ATI Power Extension Cable to the CDROM or HARD disk."
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Posted: 27th Jun 2003 22:15
I already said what my problem was with that, 'kay...

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Posted: 27th Jun 2003 23:51
Umm... can anyone help... ... I can't even boot my computer up, let alone use my new card...

Here's my power supply:

http://partsinfo.hp.com/cgi-bin/spi/showphoto?partnumber=0950-3751

Perhaps if anyone has a similar one they'll know better how to access it.

--Mouse

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Posted: 28th Jun 2003 00:09
you know you may have trouble using your computer if you connect your cards power to the HDD's power as they draw extra than should be from a single line and can cause reboots randomly as the powersupplies internal powercut preventer is overloaded. (oh the joys os an APMI lol)

second, when you install the card it is a good idea to always completely strip down your system to the point where you have all the IDE Leads in your hand, the power leads just sitting there not connected then finally remove the ram (should be for about 30seconds as that is about the amount of time it takes you system BIOS & Ram to reset any stored memory.

Then firmly replace all of the leads introducing the ATI Powerlead (prefferably to a free power point)

what actually gets me is why the new GeForceFX and most Radeon cards use the powerpoints rather than the fan ports which are built into the motherboard for a reason

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Posted: 28th Jun 2003 00:13
Is anyone actually reading the posts?

My problem is accessing the power supply! I don't have ANY other problems. I can take the casing off but I can't get to where the cables connect, I can't remove the various chips in the way. I can't get to the power points-- is that clear enough?

I would put pictures up but I have neither digital camera nor scanner so I'm pretty much stuck until someone actually posts something on the topic.

--Mouse

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Posted: 28th Jun 2003 00:15
Sorry if I'm not being... polite... but I've been waiting for hours, searching the net, and haven't found a single thing that can help, and only 1 out of the 3 replies I've gotten has been related to the problem I'm having.

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Posted: 28th Jun 2003 01:58
Calm down!

OK, you don't need to actually access the power supply itself, just the various cables coming out of it. So long as you can get to one of white plastic 4 pin connectors that is all you need.

Most computers have anything from 3 to 6 connectors, each one powering hard drive, cd drive, dvd drive, e.t.c.

There is also a smaller power plug powering the floppy drive. Ignore this.

So long as you unplug one of these connectors from a drive or cd, then the ATI plug acts like an extension cable with the little extra plug going into the graphics card.

It can't be that difficult!

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Posted: 28th Jun 2003 02:01
'Calm down!'

Er... no . It's impossible with the 100 degree temperature, sorry

Ok, I'll try what you said. Thanks very much for helping

--Mouse

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Posted: 28th Jun 2003 02:12
My answers here is quite off, because i dun really get wat u mean:

1. When u said boot up, does that means 'turn ON' or 'boot up the computer'? If it doesn't turn ON because there's no power, read up answer no.2 down here. Maybe the wires are either short or it went way cluttered. If it doesn't boot up, why not try a boot disk, and set your BIOS to boot from the disk itself instead of from the HDD? (try and get another PC to make a copy of the boot disk for u of the same OS).

2. If no power/wire short, then it "may" be a good idea to take your time to rearrange those wires again. Another solution is to take out some part of the PC, put it out first and connect it from there before putting them back in the casing. Or if there's still no power access, your power supply may be damage of some sort.


3. Either way, chill your mind when doing these stuff. It tends to mess with ppls mind when the one thing that you luv doesn't function the way it use to. Try calling for help from some of your mates or contacts that may help you, or use another PC to get in touch using messenger with whoever you regard as an expert to assist you throughout. Do eat/drink/watch TV/etc something else to take it off your mind for a while. Not the best idea in the world for us PC lovers, but might be a good way to ease your mind before u come back for another attempt.

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Posted: 28th Jun 2003 04:08
Just pull the big white plug with 4 wires out of the back of the hard disk.

Put this plug into the plug of the power extension cable.

Plug the power extension cable into the card.

You should have one plug on the power extension cable left. Plug this into the hard disk.

Quote: "what actually gets me is why the new GeForceFX and most Radeon cards use the powerpoints rather than the fan ports which are built into the motherboard for a reason"


A lot of mobo's can't supply that much power to the fan sockets. You can burn some out with powerfull fans. The fan sockets are only 12v and the cards may need 5v. Also there may only be a couple of fan sockets on the mobo.
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Posted: 28th Jun 2003 04:23
I'll reply to this post seperatly.
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you know you may have trouble using your computer if you connect your cards power to the HDD's power as they draw extra than should be from a single line and can cause reboots randomly as the powersupplies internal powercut preventer is overloaded. (oh the joys os an APMI lol)"


What is APMI and what the hell does it have to do with a power supply.

You do realise that all the power lines are soldered to the same place inside the power supply. It makes no difference if the card takes the power from the mobo or the hdd lines. They are soldered to the same place inside the power supply.

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second, when you install the card it is a good idea to always completely strip down your system to the point where you have all the IDE Leads in your hand, the power leads just sitting there not connected then finally remove the ram (should be for about 30seconds as that is about the amount of time it takes you system BIOS & Ram to reset any stored memory."


There is no point reseting the bios. If you want to reset the bios take the battery out or use the jumper on the mobo that resets the bios. Pulling out the leads for 30 seconds will do nothing to the bios.

As for taking the ram out for 30 seconds to remove any stored memory, what are you talking about most ram chips at room temp will loose any info in less than a second without removal from the mobo.
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Posted: 28th Jun 2003 06:18
Ummm... I'll ignore the infighting ( ) and say, thank you everyone for your help. However, Sonic's comment solved aaaaaaaaaaal my problems . I've been installing drivers and testing since then, and good god is this card wonderful. I think you can imagine what the jump from a TNT2 to a Radeon 9500 would be like.

I could go on forever about how I can now play all my games in 1024x786x32 with projected shadows and full visual affects and even middle-quality FSAA with top notch speed, but I'm sure you've heard it all before, so I'll save my rave for the family and a love letter to ATI

--Mouse

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Posted: 28th Jun 2003 06:40
I just ordered a new computer with a Radeon 9800 card and AMD Athlon 2500+ processor, I'll let you know once the parts get here...

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Quote: "What is APMI and what the hell does it have to do with a power supply.

You do realise that all the power lines are soldered to the same place inside the power supply. It makes no difference if the card takes the power from the mobo or the hdd lines. They are soldered to the same place inside the power supply."

No ATX power supplies are a completely different internal design to AT power supplies ... they specifically run along sides APMI (Advanced Power Managament Interface) which is part of every chipset since 8210 Intel (Pentium2)
You have 4 main power lines, Motherboard, Device1, Device2, Device3
each of the 3 Device lines have 2 male powerpoints ... with Device1 having an additional Diskette Drive connector.
They're also designed to only take upto 1200mA of power from the PSU, although a fan will only need around 100-150mA when you already have 2 devices connected it then pulls additional power.

There is always a small pool of power stored which allows the PSU to regulate and keep power constant as the power from an wall socket is generall unregulated and runs at the max Voltage only the actual power intake is limited by the Amp fuse (which should be a 13Amp for a 230-300watt PSU)
These changes will also be monitored and affected by the onboard APMI (even if you've turned it off, because it is there to make sure that if something irregular happens with your power it doesn't fry your processor or something)

old AT powersupplied you pulled too much power from would just slowly damage your hardware (which is why HDD shelf-lives weren't exactly grand)

Quote: "There is no point reseting the bios. If you want to reset the bios take the battery out or use the jumper on the mobo that resets the bios. Pulling out the leads for 30 seconds will do nothing to the bios.
As for taking the ram out for 30 seconds to remove any stored memory, what are you talking about most ram chips at room temp will loose any info in less than a second without removal from the mobo."


Again you don't seem to understand the technology within your own computer do you ... the Ram until it is disconnected or you actually fully reset the BIOS will not loose the data it has stored, this is why WindowsXP MUST dump the Ram when you shut down with a major problem else it will continue to bug.
Ram has a static life of around 30second (something to do with the material they're created with but i don't remember what it is right now), when you take the Ram out of newer boards that use FlashBios then this will also clear the PnP data stored within the Flash section.

The idea isn't to clear the BIOS setup itself, just makes sure the system is totally devoid of all traces of the old graphics card ... this can cause alot of problems if it isn't done, the old Voodoo cards area a good example because if you didn't make sure the shadow of the old card was gone they'd always display only on the Blue Channel (i never did figure out why exactly), but alot of people complained about this being a problem ... it wasn't a problem as such just that most VGA cards that you'd upgrade from would end up with a constant video shadow as there was a hardware problem with the Voodoo's which prevented correct Shadow Caching.



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Posted: 28th Jun 2003 19:49
I don't know if you are talking about APM or ACPI but it really doesn't matter there is nothing in either specicfication that requires the peripheral power to be isolated from the mobo power. Every single power supply I have taken appart the peripheral wires are soldered to the same part of the power supply pcb as the mobo wires.

As for ram the time that the capaciters take to discharge at room temperature is going to be in milliseonds. Cut the power and within a second all the data is gone.

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