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FPSC Classic Product Chat / Copyright Gun Names?

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Slayer222
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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 20:46 Edited at: 27th Feb 2008 20:46
For my game, I was wondering about copyrights for gun names. For example: can I call the AKM from MP9 an AK 47 without there being any chance of a lawsuit/trouble? I notice in many games, say Crysis, the AK is called the FY71 and in MP9, the Desert Eagle is called the XIX or something like that. Whats the deal with these fake names? Can anyone help me out please?
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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 20:51
The AKM isn't a fake name, it's a real weapon.


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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 21:18
Quote: "Whats the deal with these fake names?"


You said it yourself. It's to do with copyright.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 21:25
You can't copyright names you can only copyright Works. Same goes for ideas you can't copyright them also, if you could then no one would be able to make or write anything as it would have been copyrighted by now.

This off course depends on the country your in.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 21:32 Edited at: 27th Feb 2008 21:32
Quote: "The AKM isn't a fake name, it's a real weapon."
Ok then, but is the Desert Eagle, whoops the XIX a real weapon? And how about the FY71. Copyright, trademark, whatever, they all have the same purpose, to protect a name idea or item from copying. So can I use the weapons real names in my (commercial) game? I've seen a few games use the real names and a few mixed, like MOH:A where the HUD says a fake name for the MG 42, the MGM or something, but your allies call it an MG 42.
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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 22:11
yea no you can call them w/e you want, can even name you're shotgun betty. like in doom. Cant copyright names on things, that would be the most retarded thing ever lol
titles maybe, but not names

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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 22:14
It would be the same as copyrighting the word "shotgun"
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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 22:24 Edited at: 27th Feb 2008 22:25
But AK 47 is a name, just like Coca-cola... Whatever big games do it, so I can too

Quote: "shotgun"
No because shotgun is a type of weapon, not a specific weapon developed by a company...
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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 22:28
Quote: "But AK 47 is a name, just like Coca-cola... Whatever big games do it, so I can too"



Slayer! dont think too much into it.
Coca-cola you cant use that, because that would be a company.
Copyrights are really....strange.
You can use names on generic stuff like guns, or peoples names, team names, etc. but if its an actual product like Camel, or coca-cola, Pepsi, all those it would be illegal unless you had consent.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 22:36
Quote: "Slayer! dont think too much into it."
Yessir
Not thinking, not thinking, but what if... whoops There I go again using that cursed gray matter! Thanks for your help all.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 22:39
lol
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Not thinking, not thinking, but what if... whoops"


that cracked me up lol

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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 23:35
Names do not fall under copyright they come under trademarks. That is why you can't use the name Coca-Cola or Pepsi, because they are trademarked. Some gun makers do Trademark the guns name and some studios have licensed them to be on the safe side.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 23:50
I don't think there would be much worry about "AK-47", but some people have claimed Glock can get a bit irritated over the use of their name. I suppose it's on a case by case basis...

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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 23:52
Great, and I have a Glock 17 in my game

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Posted: 28th Feb 2008 02:11 Edited at: 28th Feb 2008 02:24
Just use a unique name of your own to be on the safe side and save money.

What player really gives a rat's behind about the brand name of a gun?

Real life, maybe, but in a game; who cares?

Glock sounds "we Todd did" anyway.

They were running out of time deciding on their new name, and when staring at the Clock, they got their answer...change the 'c' to a 'g'.

And as far as "Camel", that would only be protected when referring to cigarettes.
After all, did they get the animals' permission?

Deathcow has it right.

Did you know that when you copyright a screenplay the copyright does not apply to the title of the work?

Copyrights & Trademarks are strange to say the least.
But what do you expect when you have hundreds of law makers making new laws for hundreds of years?
That is where they got you, because no matter what you do there is a law against it somewhere on the books.

As I said before...
Just use a unique name of your own to be on the safe side and save money.
Why does a gun need a name anyway?
Call her Charlene!

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Posted: 28th Feb 2008 03:00
Quote: "What player really gives a rat's behind about the brand name of a gun?"
Me, my fellow game designer, gun freaks, COD4 freaks, too many people...

Quote: "Call her Charlene!"
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Posted: 28th Feb 2008 04:40 Edited at: 28th Feb 2008 05:02
Quote: "Me, my fellow game designer, gun freaks, COD4 freaks, too many people..."

And while they worry about the name, Charlene is splattering their brains on the wall.

How many more kills a minute can you get by having a different name? (knowing what ammo it uses is all I need to know)

The point is ... if you create your own gun names, then the Gun freaks have another one for their list.

As far as the AK-47 ( Автомат Калашникова образца 1947 года )
So, call yours the BK-49, unless you think that Mikhail Kalashnikov, or Izhevsk Mechanical Works, or Burger King would mind.
The average person doesn't know that much about it anyway, so it really doesn't matter if you name it yourself.

According to wiki..."Russia has repeatedly claimed that the majority of manufacturers produce AK-47 without a proper license from IZH. The Izhevsk Machine Tool Factory acquired a patent in 1999, making manufacture of the Kalashnikov rifle system by anyone other than themselves illegal. However, nearly one million AK-47 assault rifles are manufactured illegally each year."

With that many people ripping them off in the real world by making fake AK's, I doubt they would worry about you using an AK 47 in a game.

But at least now you know where to get permission.

But if you do pick your own name then do the research so you don't pick one that is already on the list.

Yeah, we could use some more on the list, right?

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Posted: 28th Feb 2008 05:17
Whatever, I guess names don't matter too much especially since I'm planning on having no HUD. It's just I want guys screaming things like "RPK!" and "Barrett on the hills!" Oh and the manual will have gun names possibly. I guess I could have the NCP's yell "LMG!" or "Sniper!" instead.

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Posted: 28th Feb 2008 06:07 Edited at: 28th Feb 2008 06:08
Quote: "I guess I could have the NCP's yell "LMG!" or "Sniper!" instead."

right on

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Posted: 28th Feb 2008 06:08
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Posted: 28th Feb 2008 12:27
AK 47 is just the type of weapon Automatic Karbine 47, The M16 is also a AK, they have jsut chosen to use M16. But Kalashnikov (the creator of the ak47 and also the gun itself) could be more dificult to use. "Glock" and "Heckler und Koch" is are 2 trademarks, just like coca cola.

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Posted: 1st Mar 2008 13:19 Edited at: 1st Mar 2008 13:26
Quote: "AK 47 is just the type of weapon Automatic Karbine 47"


It actually stands for "Avtomat Kalashnikov". I think.

Oh, and XIX is in the Desert Eagle name. It means... what does it
mean?

EDIT: OK, found this on a site:

Quote: "Israeli Military Industies Desert Eagle .SOCAL Mark XIV.
"


So XIX would be roman numerals.

EDIT OF EDIT: Or IMIDESMXIV for short. If you wanna call it short.

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