Sorry your browser is not supported!

You are using an outdated browser that does not support modern web technologies, in order to use this site please update to a new browser.

Browsers supported include Chrome, FireFox, Safari, Opera, Internet Explorer 10+ or Microsoft Edge.

3 Dimensional Chat / Troll Character (Pretty darn big images)

Author
Message
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 21st Mar 2008 16:00 Edited at: 3rd Apr 2008 00:33
Link
Look down/next page for updates

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
AaronG
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 28th Oct 2006
Location: Millstone, NJ
Posted: 21st Mar 2008 16:09
Link
I see what you're going for, but the abs aren't really, noticeable.


8800 640mb GTS, 4gb RAM, 500gb HDD, Vista Home Premium, 3 Dual Panel Casing Fans
Back to top
Profile PM Email
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 21st Mar 2008 16:20
Link
I know the renders don't give them justice but that's the mediocre lightning I somehow managed to make :S The abs are noticeable when you see them in person(I guess you say it that way... erm, meh you get what I mean)

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 21st Mar 2008 16:32
Link
Okay I fixed the abs, looks allot better now

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 22nd Mar 2008 13:39
Link
Anyone else?

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
hessiess
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 30th Mar 2007
Location: pc!
Posted: 22nd Mar 2008 15:40
Link
you don't need most of those edge loops, the edge flow could also be better. try stuing other peoples modles

Back to top
Profile PM Email
Pet A Mizzle
16
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 2nd Mar 2008
Location:
Posted: 22nd Mar 2008 17:10
Link
Reminds me of the WoW Troll.

Grrrr you ALL!
Back to top
Profile PM Email
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 24th Mar 2008 14:17 Edited at: 30th Mar 2008 21:38
Link
Update: Look down

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
RUCCUS
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 11th Dec 2004
Location: Canada
Posted: 25th Mar 2008 14:53
Link
Its just a messy mesh, you need maybe a quarter of the edge loops in there to get the same definition. And with the angle those arms are at / the number of polygons you have in the armpit area, those arms are going to be hell to rig properly.

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
John H
Retired Moderator
22
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 14th Oct 2002
Location: Burlington, VT
Posted: 26th Mar 2008 16:50 Edited at: 26th Mar 2008 16:57
Link
Echoing what Ruccus said, you dont need that many edge loops... at all. Your overall geometry is a bit off... trolls aren't humans but then again, they arent very far off. The humanoid figure is full of curves, this is full of sharp angles, which takes away from realism. Most of the detail that you have modeled in here could be achieved with very basic normal mapping (ie. the abdominal muscles) - you have some pretty bogus placement of vertices resulting in a lot of sharp angles in your edge loops... with edge loops you want to have a nice, smooth flow as often as possible. Go down to Borders or whatever and buy a human anatomy book, it'll be the best investment ever and will make you look really awesome to professors in college (if you end up going into art at all/are already in college/just good to have in general)

Here is a quick head study I did, the edge loops arent perfect by any means, but notice the general 'flow' of the curves... there is still a lot of work to be done on it, mind you



3D Game Art & Animation Major @ Champlain.edu
Maya | Photoshop | CrazyBump | Mudbox
Skiazo - 70 UD Rogue on WoW US Shattered Hand - Seeds of Despair 9/9 BT
Back to top
Profile PM
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 26th Mar 2008 17:13
Link
Yeah I know, that mesh was horrible, I just generally messed up But when I have time I will remake it from the same reference and make it better. Learn from your mistakes ey? =)

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 30th Mar 2008 21:35
Link
Complete remake, MUCH better now IMO.
I'm also planning on doing something with the hands like the Brawler character.













Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
TDK
Retired Moderator
22
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 19th Nov 2002
Location: UK
Posted: 30th Mar 2008 23:01
Link
Sorry to as such a 'noob' question, but what exactly is an 'edge loop'?

I did a search and found the following definition:

"contains vertices in row in such way that each vertex of the loop has two neighbour vertices except for the ends that can have more or less"

Yeah right!...

TDK_Man

* TDK's Game Programming Forums - Open To All - DB & Team Request Boards *

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Roxas
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 11th Nov 2005
Location: http://forum.thegamecreators.com
Posted: 31st Mar 2008 19:22
Link
Dang that is tight!

Your signature has been erased by a mod because it was too big
Back to top
Profile PM Email
John H
Retired Moderator
22
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 14th Oct 2002
Location: Burlington, VT
Posted: 31st Mar 2008 20:16
Link
TDK - Two vertices's have an edge between them, an edge loop is simply a segment of edges that makes a nice, smooth loop (ie. isnt interrupted by a pole)

Alucard - The model has definitely improved, geometry wise. Keep focused on making sure your edges are evenly separated, and take careful note of humanoid geometry. Your character appears to have no (or incredibly undeveloped) deltoids, which act as a fulcrum to life the arm, thus your character would have an awful hard time saying hello Also, could you post your reference? When I think troll, I think tall and lanky, this character seems rather developed.

3D Game Art & Animation Major @ Champlain.edu
Maya | Photoshop | CrazyBump | Mudbox
Skiazo - 70 UD Rogue on WoW US Shattered Hand - Seeds of Despair 9/9 BT
Back to top
Profile PM
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 31st Mar 2008 21:53
Link
W3LL M4JBII M4J CH4RACTER DOSNTT NED TOH SAHY HELLOH!!111 n00bzorx!!!!

Nah, thanks for the feedback everyone, and John, what are deltoids? Sorry, kinda swedish here so I'm not the best ever at english.

Here are the references:





@Roxas:
Tightness!! Lol, thanks btw

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Insanity Complex
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 16th Sep 2005
Location: Home
Posted: 31st Mar 2008 23:57
Link



Getting between me and my morning coffee is suicide...
Back to top
Profile PM Email
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 2nd Apr 2008 19:54
Link
I experimented with the idea of this being some sort of futuristic character so I made this gun thingy and attached it to the arm, it is based upon AndrewT's awesome weapon model(http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=116220&b=3) though not as good lol
Renders:







Not sure if I should make this more of a scifi character, it would definitely be fun to make all the tech armor parts etc, but I don't know.
What do you think?

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Xenocythe
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 26th May 2005
Location: You Essay.
Posted: 3rd Apr 2008 04:48
Link
Looking very cool!

Keep it scifi. I love it.

3.11 We do not tolerate posts made for the purpose of putting down another forum member, group of members, religion, our company, our staff or any of our moderators, past or present.
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 3rd Apr 2008 16:18
Link
Okay then Thanks for saying that lol, I really wanted to keep it scifi

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 3rd Apr 2008 22:01 Edited at: 3rd Apr 2008 23:36
Link
Any good hand modeling tutorial(each finger modeled) out there? That is the only real thing I feel not secure at, and I didn't find any good tutorials from google searching

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
hessiess
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 30th Mar 2007
Location: pc!
Posted: 4th Apr 2008 15:58
Link
http://jlp.nerim.net/tutorials/hands-modelling/hands-tuto-01.html

high poly, but you should be able to remove a few loops easily enough

Back to top
Profile PM Email
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 5th Apr 2008 12:29 Edited at: 5th Apr 2008 14:25
Link
The hand is just bloody impossible to make... I'll try the tutorial you posted hessiess

EDIT: ... Didn't go to well, I ended up with a extruded box pretty much.
... I suck at hands

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 5th Apr 2008 21:21 Edited at: 5th Apr 2008 23:05
Link
Hand done, not bad I think By the way, the wireframe got a little bit messed up in the render of the last closeups so yeah...
Still tweaking the wrist area to remove as many tris as possible










Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 5th Apr 2008 21:25
Link
Now all I have to do is get all the cool tech armor parts and the head Just the fun parts left

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Roxas
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 11th Nov 2005
Location: http://forum.thegamecreators.com
Posted: 6th Apr 2008 11:49
Link
Now tell me.. How in the hell you advance so fast!?

Your signature has been erased by a mod because it was too big
Back to top
Profile PM Email
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 6th Apr 2008 19:01
Link
I ask my mom to do everything for me...

Seriously though, I dunno, I guess that I umm... learn fast or something. Thanks by the way

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 7th Apr 2008 14:53
Link
Okay guys, I'm really sick at the moment, the most extreme headache ever and just generally feeling sick so I can't do any more updates for awhile(only for like a day or so though).

But feel free to comment and critique

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 8th Apr 2008 17:35
Link
Healthy again you guys! Going to make more parts on the model when I get time

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Anonymous User
16
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 21st Feb 2008
Location:
Posted: 8th Apr 2008 20:07
Link
Your hand looks great, reminds me of the warhammer 40k orks, maybe you should look at them for the sort of armour he should wear

???
Back to top
Profile PM Email
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 8th Apr 2008 20:26
Link
Will do, google here I come!

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
John H
Retired Moderator
22
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 14th Oct 2002
Location: Burlington, VT
Posted: 9th Apr 2008 09:46
Link
Could you post some shots of a purely flat shaded mesh, without all of this crazy static texture on it? It looks like you have some non-planar faces.

3D Game Art & Animation Major @ Champlain.edu
Maya | Photoshop | CrazyBump | Mudbox
Skiazo - 70 UD Rogue on WoW US Shattered Hand - Seeds of Despair 9/9 BT
Back to top
Profile PM
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 9th Apr 2008 14:29
Link
I did see that oddness in the renders, some weird shading, also tried to fix it but then I realized that it wasn't there :S Those faces are actually planar I promise, although haven't really checked all on the hands, I'll do that shortly

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
greenlig
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 30th Aug 2003
Location: Melbourne
Posted: 9th Apr 2008 16:30
Link
That's just the ambient occlusion with not enough samples. 5 I'd say.

Looks rather good Alucard. Can't wait to see it textured/normalmapped.

Greenlig

Blender3D - GIMP - WINXP - DBPro
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 9th Apr 2008 17:50
Link
How many samples do I need?

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
AndrewT
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 11th Feb 2007
Location: MI, USA
Posted: 9th Apr 2008 22:24
Link
I usually use 10, but if I'm in a rush I'll lower it to 7 or 8. Also, for the wierd shading try turning up the 'Bias' value for AO; I don't if it'll actually help but I've heard that it can fix shading problems caused by smoothing normals with AO.

90% of statistics are completely inaccurate.
Back to top
Profile PM
greenlig
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 30th Aug 2003
Location: Melbourne
Posted: 10th Apr 2008 02:25
Link
That, or get rid of the AO entirely for this scene

As andrewT said, throw your samples up to 10 or so, and change the energy of the AO around till you get the desired result. Its a little dark at the moment...throw a hemi-sphere in there too

Look forward to updates

Blender3D - GIMP - WINXP - DBPro
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 18th Apr 2008 20:47
Link
Okay now first of all, sorry for not posting for a while, school work has just been over my head lately and not very much time to model, but I have a few days to spare now and will use them to finish the head of, already 75% done, although it is giving me issues x_x

Will post renders when the head is done

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 19th Apr 2008 20:24
Link
Okay the head is pretty much done, the lips and the nose caused me MAJOR issues(you'll see why in just a minute) just going to make the neck muscle thingys and then I'll post a render

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Penfold
20
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 3rd Dec 2003
Location: RED postbox houses of parliment
Posted: 19th Apr 2008 22:47 Edited at: 19th Apr 2008 22:47
Link
Good to see your not just doing guns now

You are improving very well , can I ask what programs your using now? They don't look the same as the ones you were using before?

'Ooh 'eck chief'...'crumbs'
Back to top
Profile PM
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 19th Apr 2008 23:04
Link
Hey there Penfold Haven't seen you in awhile, I'm using Blender to unwrap and model my models and I LOVE it

The old days of me making those guns kinda seem distant right now

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Penfold
20
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 3rd Dec 2003
Location: RED postbox houses of parliment
Posted: 19th Apr 2008 23:06
Link
Just dropping in between other *non game projects* -

good to see your advancing well greenlig best watch out

'Ooh 'eck chief'...'crumbs'
Back to top
Profile PM
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 19th Apr 2008 23:10
Link
Lol, I doubt I will ever beat greenlig But I can always wish
Thanks by the way heh =P

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 20th Apr 2008 19:25
Link
Dang the face and the neck gave me issues! I had to add like 2 edgeloops just to make the damn thing work out the best way it could, ah well.
So here are the renders, and I even bothered to make up somewhat of a scene for it, I DID NOT MAKE THE TEXTURES FOR THE WALLS AND THE FLOOR I just found them on google and pt them on my UV's and then generated the normals and applied it as a normal map as well. (Although I wish I could make them :/ )
And I know the head is a complete mess, I am still tweaking it but this was really the only way I could get it to look like this(well someone NOT me might be able to do it but meh.
And the wire's and some of the shadows are messed up in the last renders but what the hell, I didn't feel like re-rendering






Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Penfold
20
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 3rd Dec 2003
Location: RED postbox houses of parliment
Posted: 20th Apr 2008 21:09
Link
a few *loose* polys around the nostrils to be fixed and then I'd either pull the inside of the nostrils back n down or make them smaller. Just looks like he has a nose but can't breath. Take a look at a gorilla or something to help with that.

Other than that great (although for its current render setting mebe 2 hands would look better? although if as you say your putting armour etc on it won't really matter.

good job.

'Ooh 'eck chief'...'crumbs'
Back to top
Profile PM
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 20th Apr 2008 21:16
Link
Yeah I'm putting armor on him(If I figure out how to model armor lol ) And thanks, will try that with the nose.

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Aertic
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 2nd Jul 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Posted: 20th Apr 2008 23:19
Link
looking good.
Back to top
Profile PM Email
RUCCUS
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 11th Dec 2004
Location: Canada
Posted: 21st Apr 2008 04:08
Link
Alucard, select the polygons on the character you want armour to cover, and either

a) Extract the polygons off of the model and then extrude region them out on their normal / switch to vert mode and move inwards on the normal to give the armour thickness. This method is if you want the armour as a separate mesh

b) Do step a except dont extract.

That would be in Wings 3D, I dont know the command names for blender or whatever you're using.

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 26th Apr 2008 01:29
Link
Thanks for the tips ruccus, will do that!
Sorry for no updates people, I wish I could have said that I had worked my butt off or something but honestly I haven't This week has been one of those lazy weeks for me as I haven't had much school work and I couldn't really think of any suiting armor for my troll, now as I have a somewhat good idea of what to do I'll start making it (tomorrow), and you should have pics in the next upcoming days

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Alucard94
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jul 2007
Location: Stockholm, Sweden.
Posted: 27th Apr 2008 17:50
Link
I might actually end up scrapping the sci fi all together, as I learned it just didn't fit the character I wanted it to be, and it just took up way to many polygons.
We'll see what I'll end up with

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Back to top

Login to post a reply

Server time is: 2024-11-25 21:47:47
Your offset time is: 2024-11-25 21:47:47