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Game Design Theory / [LOCKED] InfiByte (not a game) Infinite compression technology

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HyperByte
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You guys wont believe me but I am currently working on programing a lossess compression technology that will allow for 1 GB (or more) of data to be compressed into a 10 KB file without any data loss what so ever... Now thats impressive but heres what sets it appart from anything else that the world has ever seen... It can compress an infinite amount of files again and again and again. So in theory it can compress over 9999999 EB (exabytes= 1 billion GB) onto 10 KB without any data loss. I havent made the entire compression/decompression software yet but I have finally proven that the theory behind it is 100% accurate so theres no way that it cant work. Dont hurt yourselfs trying to think how it works or thinking that Im joking. It took me almost a year and a half to get it to work. I look forward to your critisism and will enjoy counting how many times you reply with the word "impossible". But its real

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draknir_
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Well I wont say its impossible, but I cant help but be skeptic. Its better to leave these kinds of statements until you've actually done the work, as I think you'll find turning theory into reality is tougher than expected and end up never posting again.
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Not sure if this completely applies, but I'll post it anyway

Quote: "Assume that the program can compress without loss all files of size N bits or more. Compress with this program all the 2^N files which have exactly N bits. All compressed files have at most N-1 bits, so there are at most (2^N)-1 different compressed files [2^(N-1) files of size N-1, 2^(N-2) of size N-2, and so on, down to 1 file of size 0]. So at least two different input files must compress to the same output file. Hence the compression program cannot be lossless. "


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Well, I'm not that much into programming but what about the decompression? Wouldn't a larger file take longer to decompress? Sure, you save loads and loads of space, but what's the decompression time for 1 GB? Is the time worth the space?

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HyperByte
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dont worry guys, if I was someone else and I heard that someone created an infinite compression algorithm there would be no way in hell that I would ever believe them.

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You can achieve some massive ratios with procedural generation. But such systems (found in any demo for the last 15 odd years) don't take existing data and compress it. Moreover, it's theoretically possible I guess to convert raw data streams into generation algorithms, but how you'd about doing that.. that's a good question.


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Agent Dink
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Umm... I think you missed April Fool's Day by a few days xD

Yeah, I'm a skeptic, but please, by all means, prove me wrong!

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tha_rami
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I can actually compress all data through a hypercubical diagonal stored compression algorithm by use of extensive predictional and procedural modifications of the target file. The result? A file of exactly 0 bytes. Theoretically, all data will remain fully intact.

The exact procedure is quite easy as soon as you understand the trick. The file is to be parsed through the "Trash" or "Recycle Bin" and then this entity is to be "cleaned". After these steps, reboot your computer and your data will be compressed without any loss of file quality or integrity.

I'm still working on a decompression technology.


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Agent Dink
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Posted: 5th Apr 2008 07:04 Edited at: 5th Apr 2008 07:05
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pwnt!

But seriously. If this is for real and you can do this? I see you becoming a very rich man.

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dark coder
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Of course it can't be done for anything realistic, if the file was just a list of the same bytes then yes you could compress it by that much, but let's say it was a recording of ambient noise from a computer, there is only so much you'd be able to compress without loss. The claim of "9999999 EB (exabytes= 1 billion GB) onto 10 KB without any data loss" is just plain retarded; if you think about it, with that much data you have a gigantic amount of possible combinations for the data that cannot possibly be compressed by much, so following from my original requirement for the data to not be a linear series of the same value you cannot get that much data to be compressed to 10KB. Even if you did something like compressing a compressed file, eventually you'd just be adding to the file size(probably after the first compression), so as great as you may think your idea is, No.

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Gil Galvanti
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I'd like to hear your theory behind this, because I don't think it's possible.


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Id love to tell all of you exactly how it works but I'll have to wait till I patent and sell it to microsoft.Sorry. By the way the theory is simpler than you might think

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I didn't realize you could sell a "theory". You might be getting a little ahead of yourself, maybe you should get the actual software developed first? I've got a "theory" for a perpetual motion machine, but I haven't gotten around to digging the Lego's out of my basement and building it yet. Does that mean it will work and I can sell it? Not necessarily.

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HyperByte
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@ venge - first of all Im just a couple of days away from a working beta version of the compression/decompression software. Second of all look at all of the companies that had to pay for .GIF licenses, and Microsoft paid $16 million for the license to use .mp3 in windows

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@ dark coder- dont be flaming the creator of the greatest breakthrough in compsci since the transistor. Just because your not smart enough to realize that theres a difference between whats mathematically possible and whats technically possible doesnt mean that it wont work. By the way it is "mathematically impossible" since 256^10,000 does not equal 256^(infinity). BUT theres something very simple, but very very very special about how it works that sets it appart from anything that has ever graced the earth.

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I believe you. To prove that, I've even called the appropriate instances to send some friendly young people, with some friendly, fluffy, white coats with extended sleeves to bring you to a happy place with rooms with soft, fluffy walls and needles that'll make you feel all warm and fuzzy.


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This is funny.

First of all, you're lying.
Second of all, darkcoder is the most intelligent programmer on TGC.

Do not disrespect others. Any bit of respect I had for you even attempting this impossible task has now been lost.

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Quote: "Id love to tell all of you exactly how it works but I'll have to wait till I patent and sell it to microsoft.Sorry. By the way the theory is simpler than you might think
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I believed you until you said that. Well, I hope Microsoft will buy your product...

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Quote: " that sets it appart from anything that has ever graced the earth."


When your idea falls flat on its face, you'll realize how stupid you sound.

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Quote: "It can compress an infinite amount of files again and again and again"

*YAWN*
Heard it several times before, and it was nonsense then too. Every single company or person who has ever announced an infinite compression algorithm has consistently failed to deliver.

From the compression FAQ:
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No program can compress without loss *all* files of size >= N bits, for any given integer N >= 0.

Proof:
Assume that the program can compress without loss all files of size >= N bits. Compress with this program all the 2^N files which have exactly N bits. All compressed files have at most N-1 bits, so there are at most (2^N)-1 different compressed files [2^(N-1) files of size N-1, 2^(N-2) of size N-2, and so on, down to 1 file of size 0]. So at least two different input files must compress to the same output file. Hence the compression program cannot be lossless.

The proof is called the "counting argument". It uses the so-called pigeon-hole principle: you can't put 16 pigeons into 15 holes without using one of the holes twice."


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There was a big hype a few months ago about another super compression technology, it was being used to compress dual layer dvds (9gb+) into 100kb files. It turned out to be a scam, they were compressing gigantic files full of 0s and sending it out with 'decompression software' that was actually a trojan.
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Quote: "When your idea falls flat on its face, you'll realize how stupid you sound"


believe me I know how that feels I have failed at this at least a hundred times but why I succeeded is because Im too stupid to realise when to quit. but that stupidity is what made me succeed

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So you've succeeded? Show us.

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Sure bub.

Quote: "Second of all, darkcoder is the most intelligent programmer on TGC."


As much as I'd love to believe this, not quite .

Quote: "believe me I know how that feels I have failed at this at least a hundred times but why I succeeded is because Im too stupid"


Agreed.

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This is funny.

First of all, you're lying.
Second of all, darkcoder is the most intelligent programmer on TGC.

Do not disrespect others. Any bit of respect I had for you even attempting this impossible task has now been lost.

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as smart as he is, he isn't the most intelligent programmer on TGC, as much as we all may flame Lee for making DBP so buggy in IRC, i'd like to see any of you average joe's make a product as good as Lee and Mike made.

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Quote: "dont be flaming the creator of the greatest breakthrough in compsci since the transistor."


Lols. I know an old lady who's father helped with that

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This is a place to discuss theory if you have nothing to discuss then this post is pointless. Maybe talking in a very basic manner about the idea behind how your compression system works would be useful.

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If Hyperbyte uploads a 10k file and program that lossless expands into 10gb, or even 1gb of actual image or sound data then I promise to eat my own liver.


less is more, but if less is more how you keeping score?
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If he really does that, I'll eat Van B.

Cooked and shredded into small pieces, that is.


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And I'll eat that pizza over there



*eats anyways

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Uh! Adam! Keep on-topic! You know what Jeku said.

Really sorry guys, but this topic is really doomed to go up in fiery flames or Grandma-style offtopicness. Even DrewG would've laughed at this.


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Even from the beginning, this was in the wrong place. This is GAME DESIGN...It's not a game, and he refuses to talk about the design.

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Who cares? It's just funny!

Don't even think about reading my posts...
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Ok locking this, because it's like one of those car crashes that cause more car crashes due to people rubber-necking the first crash.

Move along people, nothing to see here!


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