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FPS Creator X10 / X10 vs X9 Pros and Cons

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Fruitless CRUNK
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Posted: 18th Jun 2008 07:21 Edited at: 18th Jun 2008 07:37
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Hi, I've noticed around the fourm that some people think that sence X9 has the cool mods its better than x10. Well Im here to disprove that fact.

X10 Pros and Cons
Ok we all can agree that TGC has left us in the dark and started working on other thinks but, they gave us a toy called.......BLOOM!!!!!!! And CLEAR WATER and.......and.......well some other cool stuff too.

X9 Pros and Cons
Sence TGC has given you X9 users the FREAKEN STORE and water, X9 stell lacks X9c.......HECK YOU GUYS DON'T EVEN HAVE x9b !!!!! Although X9 users to have the game play covered with all the sweet mods and modelpacks, most ofyou would give all that up for x10 quallatys.

I would like to see some of ya'lls say in this so don't be scared to post it........he......hehe.... hay x9 users do this(see attachment)

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Posted: 18th Jun 2008 18:02
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Quote: "I would like to see some of ya'lls say in this so don't be scared to post it........he......hehe.... hay x9 users do this(see attachment)"


? is that good enough ?

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Fruitless CRUNK
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Posted: 18th Jun 2008 18:49 Edited at: 18th Jun 2008 18:51
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........ Ok x9 users win.......na I'm not giving up that easy. I stell see the res of X9 and no gooey texters but other than that its pretty freaken good.

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Posted: 18th Jun 2008 19:02
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Quote: "HECK YOU GUYS DON'T EVEN HAVE x9b "

no we have 9.0c, not 9.0b

i think we can all say your a noob

X10
Pro
effects
run speed
better AI
cons
limited to vista
less model packs, and compatability
no source code, for water and such
you wont make any seriously sellable games for YEARS

X9
Pro
Compatible with most computers
HUGE collection of media (much of it free)
most updated
x10 migration soon
TGC store
source code available
water and bloom available
cons
less graphics

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Posted: 18th Jun 2008 19:10 Edited at: 18th Jun 2008 19:16
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Quote: "i think we can all say your a noob"


....????......hua me a noob? Dont think soo.
Quote: "you wont make any seriously sellable games for YEARS
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Naaaaa thats not right. I allready have a game out for my CSS clan.http://www.sexyclancs.com/showthread.php?t=433&highlight=Nomad

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Quote: "Naaaaa thats not right. I allready have a game out for my CSS clan"


Quote: "wont make any seriously sellable games"


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Uthink
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Posted: 18th Jun 2008 20:00
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Quote: "you wont make any seriously sellable games for YEARS"


Why did you throw a groundless opinion in with facts?

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Quote: "you wont make any seriously sellable games for YEARS"


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i have a game ready for release for X10 just need a gunpack!
Prove me wrong but X10 rocks VS X9! I dont get it, its the future! Its like Microsoft would go back to Win XP and drop Vista ?! Or are you guys become like Amiga Inc. ? not gonna say more in this post, or i would risk moderation like before... pffff Whe just have to wait, but its taking so long now.... and btw X10 games work on many PC's! PSNG and VR-arena2 work on many Vista computers! 3/16 failed to run the demos... so X10 is good and ready for more... Go for it TGC!
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they should make a windows gaming OS, with all the Dx10 feature minus the RAM hogging vista features and such

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I think if TGC completed making the Model Packs X10 ready and worked out the most complained about bugs in X10, then all the people that have X10 would be really happy at this point!

As for "you wont make any seriously sellable games for YEARS"
I have no idea why you would think that. If your referring to people not having comps that can play the games, well XP is nearly dead. Anyone who buys a new computer now has Vista and the NVidia graphics cards that are compatible with X10 are cheap...

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2008 13:42
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Quote: "I would like to see some of ya'lls say in this so don't be scared to post it........he......hehe.... hay x9 users do this(see attachment)
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Wow, an over-bloomed screenie, course, we X9 users would want that now, wouldn't we?

I can't run X10, bt I'm getting an X10 ready PC for Xmas, so I'll get X10 then.....

I'm actually quite surprised....all you've talked about is Bloom and Water, graphical things, I see you've forgotten DarkPhysics and DarkAI, gameplay ideals?

..and if Lee released the source for X10 tommorow, it'd be worthless because they haven't released DBP X10 yet......

I rest my case, personnally, after the migration, the only thing X10 will apparently have over X9 is Bloom and GPU Instancing.......

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2008 14:45
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Cons for x10

Isnt compatible with bond1s zombies!
Melee needs updating

sorry to bring it up but using x9 and seeing all the updates and models I feel special

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All recent X9 features will go into X10 as part of the migration work including melee support for Bond1 zombies.

Bond1 is making X10 versions of them with bump and specular maps so they will look even more ridiculous soon.

X10 does everything better than X9, not just graphics.
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2008 04:26
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Quote: "X10 does everything better than X9, not just graphics"


You mean, "someday" X10 will do everything better than X9.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2008 11:02
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No he means today FPSCX10 can do everything better than X9. That's like saying that the first Farcry is better than Crysis.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2008 15:57
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X10 does not do Headshots better than X9.

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X9 does not do headshots well enough for them to be of any use. Do you even own X10 Uthink?

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2008 18:37 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2008 18:38
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Yes. I own X9(1.11.02) and X10(1.08).

I don't know what your standards for headshots are, but headshots work fine for me in X9.

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All X9 features not currently in X10 will be added as part of the migration work currently being done including head shots, melee support and new script commands.
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Posted: 24th Jun 2008 11:46
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Quote: "X10 does everything better than X9, not just graphics."


if you mean speaking like

Quote: "
FPSCX10 does everything better than FPSCX9, not just graphics."



then yea, your right, but fpscx10 doesnt need to be x10 to look/act like x10, it could of been done under directx9, just not with dbpro obviously.
I personally dont see why TGC coded fpsc in DBPRO, i mean yea its a good engine and what not, but doing it in a more complex language would probably solve the entire issue, was FPSC coded in DBPRO originally to prove that dbpro has capabilities?

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Where is the water feature for x9?
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It has yet to be made outside of the EFX mod......

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Actually i kind of like the idea that most games wont be sold like this for a while to come, If they did now id be hard to get a popular game but there really isent that much competition right now. I think you have a way better chance of publishing something with x10 rather then x9 not because of the graphics or anything like that, because that market of x10 games is a small market, it'll eventually turn into a huge market. So now is the best time to start developing x10 games, im an x9 user but, ill get x10 when i get a new graphics card, i already have a pc for it, its sitting in a corner waiting to be used. I have some wild ideas for z10, but not until the models are compatible nd bonds stuff works.

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Quote: "ya'lls say in this so don't be scared to post it........he......hehe.... hay"


I find it very hard to understand you. There are mods for X9 that feature what you just said.


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What I find quite interesting is that FPSC X9 is written in DBP X9, and FPSC X10 is writtten in DBP X10......

Right, so if that's the case, how can Lee merge the codes, unless they're both basically built in the same way?

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It's not like they wiped out the entire instruction set and created new commands.

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Yeh, but if they're both built in basically the same way, then how can you say X10 is better built than X9?

I mean if how he's structured the engine is the same or different.....

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the reason there is not a lot of media is because very few modelers actually own it but we have the chugshot muhu ha ha

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you cant do that witthout mods people are jealous of x10 thats why there is mods

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Quote: "Yeh, but if they're both built in basically the same way"


I haven't seen the source code, and I haven't seen Lee speak about how X10 was done. But I don't know why we should think their built the same way. Has anyone done any direct performance comparisons on X9 vs X10?

Having the same functions and being built in the same way are two different things. A Mini Cooper and a Ferrari Scaglietti both have a gas and brake functions, but you get completely different results.

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*Sigh*

How can X10 be better put together, if it uses the same theorums behind how it works, Portals and stuff like that.....

Take your Ferrari and Mini analogy, what Lee's gonna do is try and stick that Ferrari engine into the Mini, while ripping the wheels off and slapping them on the Ferrari.....

Doesn't seem right, does it?

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Quote: "you cant do that witthout mods people are jealous of x10 thats why there is mods"

what an ignorant thing to say. no people dont make mods because their jealous of x10, people make mods because they can increase the stability/performance/look of the engine their selves, Implementing things like bloom (Which lee said he wasnt going to implement into x9) water, and alt weapon fire for example. Look at Plys mod, have you seen the video? He has working vehicles. i just dont see how you can say something like that, just complete ignorance. Without modding you wouldnt see half the valve games you see.

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Quote: "Without modding you wouldnt see half the valve games you see"


Bloodeath is right, I mean, look at Counter-Strike Source. It's been played more then Halo3.(Don't quote on that one)

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While X10 is the future, unless you make content it will be slow for another year or so. I do look forward on the Migration of FPSC. Should look and play well. But that being said, X10 will be better in a very short time... They ae both good for what they do and like both for reasons already posted. Both are a must have if you like creating games.

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To bad vista is being replaced...IN 2009 OWNED! AND ITS A FACT!!! (latest is by jan 2010)

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Quote: "To bad vista is being replaced...IN 2009 OWNED! AND ITS A FACT!!! (latest is by jan 2010)"


And it will be replaced again 3 years later so what is your point... Microsoft has clearly stated that they are returning to 3 year OS cycle that they use to maintain. So many people think it is because there some sort of problem with Vista that Microsoft is releasing another OS. But that is simply not the case. Microsoft is just returning to there old Business model of releasing a new OS every 3 years.

Remember windows 3.1 ... windows 95 ... Windows 98 ... windows ME... Then Windows XP...

They were released roughly 2 - 3 years apart... and Microsoft did well with that model... They are simply returning to the regular cycle of OS Changes..
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Whats wrong with Vista anyway, I have it and I have never yet had a bug, virus or anything else happen to it.

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Security model for Vista is complex for the average home user.
The "VirtualStore" concept is horrible.

From a stability point, it's no worse than XP. At least that's
been my experience.

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It's not 100 games, it's after you reach $5,000 in sales.

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I think they both have pros and cons and I think that neither one is better than the other. I personally want my hands on both. x10's license isn't as good as x9's but I personally think x10 can make a better game. Of course x10's requirements are absurd to the every day person but I still think it's good.

Quote: "Actually i kind of like the idea that most games wont be sold like this for a while to come, If they did now id be hard to get a popular game but there really isent that much competition right now. I think you have a way better chance of publishing something with x10 rather then x9 not because of the graphics or anything like that, because that market of x10 games is a small market, it'll eventually turn into a huge market. So now is the best time to start developing x10 games, im an x9 user but, ill get x10 when i get a new graphics card, i already have a pc for it, its sitting in a corner waiting to be used. I have some wild ideas for z10, but not until the models are compatible nd bonds stuff works."

And that's basically what I was going to say next lol.


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Quote: "
Remember windows 3.1 ... windows 95 ... Windows 98 ... windows ME... Then Windows XP..."


Nope. ME was a mistake and THIS new OS is 1 year later not 3 they know they friged up and they can't admit it.... well not techanly friged up because like u say vista isnt that bad. I'd just rather XP. ME was not even an OS thats how horrable it was I HATED "ME" It doesnt deserve to be talked off I'd take vista 100000 times over "ME" ME= DOES NOT me (Myself) It means ME OS just to clear up any thing some one will use agesnt me lol aside from my bad spelling.

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You forgot Windows NT.

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x9 was a piece of worthless junk. My computer needed to be reformated because of some of the segments! I gots nothing left now!
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Hey! X9 works great...if you know how to use it.......

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