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8truths
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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 10:25
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Just started using it. Seems very nice. Shows an improvement over IE. Saves a lot of the design and experimental BS that the standard Mozilla browsers suffer from.

Just curious if others are having a good/bad experience with it.

You can dig it up on [href]www.mozillafoundation.org[/href]. Look for Firebird 0.6, not the other Mozillas.
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MrTAToad
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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 13:44 Edited at: 20th Jul 2003 13:44
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Can you access and use all websites, including http://www.meshcomputers.com ?

When I tried Opera, it couldn't deal with the menu bars, so I got rid of it...

Good news everyone! I really am THAT good...
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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 13:55
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I've just been trying it. My first impressions are that it's about twice as fast as IE in displaying the page, but it does suffer from problems.

The menu bar on that meshcomputers page doesn't work at all.
Some text in tables gets vertically 'squashed' together, so that text on different lines overwrite each other.

I'll definitely keep my eye on this one though.

Oh, and did I mention that there's no installer? Just unzip it, and run it.
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Eric T
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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 14:07
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downloading now, then i'll give my opinions

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IanM
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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 14:17
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Even the RGT forums become usable

But I've noticed that the tooltips don't seem to work when I hover over the smilies. I hope that was the 'shocked' smily
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Eric T
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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 14:25
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yeah i think it was shocked, I don't like it for now, to buggy not gonna use till they fix more bugs, Well i have alot i'll report right now. I'm not saying crappy browser, i'm saying buggy browser with potetial.

oh and i went here on IE6 and that was scared ian.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 14:31
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Oops

I'll be trying it again in future - it has a few things missing ATM.
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Eric T
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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 14:34
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i'll keep my eye on it and i'll report bugs for a while.

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Dave J
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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 14:52 Edited at: 20th Jul 2003 14:54
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As soon as I tried out Firebird I knew it was perfect for me. It has everything I'd ever want in a browser plus loads more. Tabbing is a godsend and I don't know why IE doesn't have it (sure XP can group program windows on the taskbar but that's a pain in the ass), not to mention Firebird stops those god damn annoying text things in the status bar, has a useful popup stopper and of course, it's significantly faster then IE. Unfortunately, as been said before, it does have a few bugs that need to be ironed out but when that's done it's an IE killer.

Edit: Also forgot to mention that it actually lets you customize the toolbars rather then limiting what you can add/remove from them like IE. Grr.

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MrTAToad
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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 15:19
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Only if it can view ALL web pages... Until then, I'm sticking with IE.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 15:37
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Quote: "Also forgot to mention that it actually lets you customize the toolbars rather then limiting what you can add/remove from them like IE. Grr."


easy in IE
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Custimize

so easy

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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 16:43
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If only it were that simple. However, what I mean is that it limits what icons you can add to your toolbar, I've often wanted to add something like MSN or something to a toolbar in IE but I can't.

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adr
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Hooray! Can't wait to try this at work - Vanilla Mozilla under linux w/gnome is a bit clunky to say the least...

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Solidz Snake
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i'll probably try this later, never tried any Mozilla before, just IE, Opera and Neo Planet.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 17:50
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Mozilla isn't much good at all, I'm afraid...

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Quote: "
Mozilla isn't much good at all, I'm afraid...
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Why?

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the_winch
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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 18:30
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I use it all the time. Only ever use ie when I have too.
It doesn't work with the code snippets on this site.
Some of the firebird extensions are quite usefull.
Nuke image removes an image from the page which is usefull for removing those annoying flashing adds.
Flash click to view replaces flash stuff with a button. If you want to view the flash press the button and it loads.

For those that use ie might want to try this http://www.crazybrowser.com/ I have never tried it but it looks intresting.
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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 19:55
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Because its buggy and you cant properly use some web sites.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 20:29
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MrT -- your initial site you asked about pulled up fine.

The tools tips thing, I suspect is part of the blocking feature, because I have not gotten any of those pop-in ads (which I utterly despise).

My biggest complaint with Mozilla is its ridiculously long load time. That, and the simple fact it did not perform any better than IE.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 20:47 Edited at: 20th Jul 2003 20:48
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And can you use the buttons on the Mesh site with Mozilla ? I very much doubt it - Opera certainly couldn't...

It takes (probably) less than 1 second to load IE6 on my machine, so its very fast loading. Even on my slowest machine its still fast.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 21:06 Edited at: 20th Jul 2003 21:09
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The popup thing is because firebird uses the alt tag on imagesthe "correct" way despite how every other brower uses them.

To get firebird to use the alt tags as normal (popup when you hover) install this extension

http://texturizer.net/firebird/extensions.html#Popup%20ALT%20Attributes

The # character breaks the [ href][ /href] tags.
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Posted: 20th Jul 2003 22:15
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MrT -- went back and tried. You're right. It's fubar.

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Until the others get things like the Mesh site running properly, I'm sticking with IE... And it doesn't crash...


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Mozilla doesn't crash on my computer either.

Life would be so much better if website creators would actually use the standards that were defined by the W3C (of which MS is a member, by the way).

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Ah, standards . . .

The problems is that they need a solid committee of mean dudes determining what gets added -- like they do with the Linux kernel updates.

But, that of course, would compel corporates to divulge browser source code, so that ain't gonna no never happen!

Still, the Mozilla folks need to steer better. Hopefully the AOL divorce will bring that about.

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I would like it if Mozilla would install on a User Account on XP. You can go through the insaller process with 1.4 but does not load up. Hence me stopping to use Mozzila.

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The W3C guidelines are so that all browsers display content the same way. There is a free tool on the w3c site that will validate your html against standards.
I'm designing a professional site at the moment and every single page is html4.01 compliant. i.e. the site looks the same in IE opera and Netscape.

It's down to the web page author whether they want their sites to display correctly.

To be fair though on the stats I have, 95% of people use IE. 4% netscape, 1% everything else.
I like opera myself because of the pop up window blocking but have real problems with compatability sometimes.

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Indeed IE is perfectly adequate for most users - they dont have to download, install and try and setup a new browser (which for most people would be too difficult, especially if they cant find the start button...). Its quite fast, and very stable. It does have trouble with sites that are very slow though - tends to crash IE (instead of timing out).

To be honest, I dont know why anyone would want to use anything else, at least until all web sites can be access properly.


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To be honest, I dont know why anyone would want to use anything else, at least until all web sites can be access properly.
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Because it's faster, easier to use (IMHO), saver.

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Certainly didn't see much different between IE and Opera when I had it. Mozilla wasn't any quicker either. Both were unstable too.

As for being easier to use - no chance...


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not until Apple release its iLAND (pronouce from island)

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That'll just stay with Apple...


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The only thing I dislike much about IE is integration into the OS. IE has a lot of access to the OS. Mozilla, by nature, does not.

Anyhow . . . interesting to see the range of opinions.

In fairness, tho, Firebird is pretty badass for only version 0.6. And don't say it had Mozilla to build off, because it is pretty hefty rebuild of the main browser component.

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Quote: "an Apple a day keeps the doctor's 'bill' away"

As long as you can afford it...


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or as long as i already got it *wink wink*

(not mine though, *office equipments*, but hmm.. still mine though!)

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IE for me. My company hosts a few hundred websites and judging by the access logs, IE wins hands down. Main reason obviously is that IE is preinstalled on all new computers and updates itself fairly easy.

All the websites that I have to write and support I usually use IE to test them. Only when I've finished I make sure it sort of works in other browsers. Luckily dreamweaver is pretty good at writing cross-browser code!

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