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FPSC Classic Models and Media / [LOCKED] Truncheon Licensing, Part 2

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Leon Kennedy
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 18:16
I am creating this new post because the original post has been closed. First, to the moderator who closed that post, thank you for allowing me the opportunity to change my mind and retort on what was stated. Only confirms that noobs out here really aren't welcome.

After careful consideration, as well as discussing the licensing issue with a colleague of mine, I feel it necessary to point out that the previous answer given regarding the modification of the truncheon was incorrect. The colleague, by the way, is a lawyer that specializes in contractual and licensing law. (Just an FYI so you all realize where I am getting this from.)

In the original response, it was stated that Section 5 of the license for the truncheon disallows modification of the asset, and that it cannot be redistributed. This is wholly incorrect. Section 5 of the license prohibits redistribution of the asset in a product that is not created or usable by FPS Creator, whether for profit or not for profit. Taking this section of the license at the value that was given in the original post would indicate that the asset (model) cannot be distributed AT ALL. And that is not the intention of the license, or of that section of the license.

Section 1 of the license states the following:

Quote: "1. In consideration of the Customer's promises herein (including without limitation the Customer's obligations in clause 7 of this Licence Agreement) the Seller hereby grants the Customer a personal, non exclusive, perpetual, non transferable, royalty free licence to:
i. modify Assets and integrate Assets in "Commercial Games" (as defined below) created using FPS Creator, FPS Creator X10, Dark Basic Professional, Dark GDK or in other Games"


This section of the license allows for the modification of the asset when incorporated into a product, either commercial or otherwise, for profit or otherwise, so long as the asset and the product are created with and usable by FPS Creator. Discussions with my colleague indicate that this is the correct interpretation of the license - that the asset may be modified so long as it is used in a game that is created by FPS Creator. Which means the flaming I took for asking a few simple questions was uncalled for AND incorrect.

So, I am going to ask the questions again, and hopefully this time get a response that isn't an attack on me:

1. There is no club with the medieval hands that I can find either in the store or in these forums. The truncheon is a great weapon. Has somebody thought about, or has somebody completed, modification of the truncheon that uses the hands similar to those from model pack 18? I am not an artist or modeler, which is why I am asking if someone else has.

2. I never previously stated that I wouldn't pay for the model. If someone has done this, I would be more than willing to pay for it, as well as give credit in the final product(s) that I create.

3. I merely hinted at hopefully having bond1 do this because he is GOOD AT WHAT HE DOES. If he has no time or is not interested, then let him state that instead of bashing me for asking.

Please, do not respond if you don't read the whole post. And do not respond with something like "I thought you left and weren't coming back". Let's all try to be adults and do what we all love to do - help each other create great games.
darimc
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 20:46
I understand where you are coming from but you have to understand. Those two models were made by different artists, so it would not be right for someone to put both of there models together and sell it. And the person who said that it wasn't in "his" license was in fact EAI, the person who had made the Truncheon and so graciously gave it away.



Punk13
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 20:51
well, i think id be alright if you owned both the truncheon which is free i believe and model pack 18, so in this case if you legally own these products you can edit them to your liking you would need to rig the arm and weapon together though, Or maybe just retexture EAI's hand with bonds arm texture. it might look a little funky but oh well, also if you had someone do this besides bond or eai the owners of the content you would need to know that the person doing it for you already has these assetts as you also do. So you shouldnt in anyway send files and stuff like that, i already own both of these packs and this can be done its just time consuming is all.


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bond1
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 20:55
I have more fantasy models in various stages of completion: elven bows, magical staffs, warhammer, etc. Truncheon doesn't immediately scream "fantasy" to me personally, but I will add it to the list. It would be a very easy weapon to do that I could make quickly and sell cheaply. I will be taking a break from character modelling for a while, they just take so darn long to make, in favor of getting back to some fantasy stuff. Hope this helps a little.

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"bond1 - You see this name, you think dirty."
CoffeeGrunt
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 20:59
You could make it more blocky, like a roughly hewn weapon, for novice training if you get what I mean.....

Punk13
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 21:08
Quote: "I will be taking a break from character modelling for a while"


NNNNOOOOOOO!!!!! Bond what about the giant Ogre Dude!!!!!!!!


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Seth Black
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 21:19
...wowsers.

Someone's taking this all way too seriously...


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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 21:31
Um, go buy fragmotion, delete the stick part, and rig a new bit to the end... That's what I would do. Sure you can't release it, but in a built game all protected it'd be fine. I'm doing it with Errant's weapons, as I simply do not have the time to rig a bunch of hand models, so I'm keeping the hand and 'bolting-on' extra components as it were.
Leon Kennedy
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 23:28
Quote: "...wowsers.

Someone's taking this all way too seriously..."

I take all attacks on me very seriously. And personally. I don't enjoy being flamed for asking simple questions, and I really don't enjoy a moderator (FredP) hinting that I may be banned or that really bad things will befall me.
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Posted: 21st Sep 2008 06:20
you really have taken this to seriously Leon, your creepy
Life Tap
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Posted: 21st Sep 2008 09:21
Quote: "I take all attacks on me very seriously. And personally. I don't enjoy being flamed for asking simple questions"



i understand ya there.

The Unspoken
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Posted: 21st Sep 2008 13:37
Quote: "you really have taken this to seriously Leon, your creepy "

I can understand when people think that. (not that i am saying that i think your creep Leon)
But its best to not say those things.

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Posted: 21st Sep 2008 15:59
Quote: "I take all attacks on me very seriously. And personally. I don't enjoy being flamed for asking simple questions, and I really don't enjoy a moderator (FredP) hinting that I may be banned or that really bad things will befall me. "

If you break the rules you get punished.I am not only not sure what the devil you're talking about but the one thing you can count on is if you abide by the AUP we will all be happy.If not you and anyone else who chooses not to do so will be moderated.
That's really simple.
If anyone has any trouble figuring that out they have bigger problems.
I do not hint or threaten.I deal in simple facts.If you or anybody else breaks the rules I or another moderator will take whatever steps that are necessary to correct it whether you like it or not.
I also have an e-mail address.You can feel free to e-mail me if you have any issues with me.
I have slept since the last time we ran into each other so you'll have to pardon me if I don't remember who you are or what you're talking about.
I have no personal issue with you or anyone else.It's just my job.

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Posted: 21st Sep 2008 19:33
For goodness sakes.

What your missing is that one artist can't take another artists work and make a deviation then distribute the asset to a third party. If you did it yourself or someone working on your team (assuming they also own have license to the media) did it and it went into your game it wouldn't be an issue as end-user modification for their own games is very much allowed (such as Avid is doing). Get it?

The license portion wasn't being highlighted in a generic way but very much in context to your original question.

This is not a flame but do you have some sort of disability which inhibits your interactions with humans? People here have been nothing but all sorts of helpful towards you but you have a real pariah thing going on. Again, not a flame, just trying to understand.

Lastly, if you want to know if someone (Bond1) will do something for you, you can simply email the person directly to ask.
Leon Kennedy
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2008 16:06
My final post before leaving this site for good. And yes, I mean it this time. You all out here (with a few exceptions) are all way too quick to judge someone new when they ask questions. I've been in a lot of forums, and I have seen my share of posts. But I have never experienced such a single-minded entity as this forum here.

If I need something, I'll search for the answer or figure it out on my own.

After this, the topic should be locked. I have nothing more to say.

Quote: "you really have taken this to seriously Leon, your creepy "

Typical response from an adolescent mind.

Quote: "I do not hint or threaten.I deal in simple facts.If you or anybody else breaks the rules I or another moderator will take whatever steps that are necessary to correct it whether you like it or not."

Re-read my original post, and what you responded to it with. Sounded like a threat of banishment to me.

Quote: "What your missing is that one artist can't take another artists work and make a deviation then distribute the asset to a third party. If you did it yourself or someone working on your team (assuming they also own have license to the media) did it and it went into your game it wouldn't be an issue as end-user modification for their own games is very much allowed (such as Avid is doing). Get it?"

What you missed is that you quoted a section of license and applied the definition incorrectly. Your interpretation of the license would mean that no assets could ever be redistributed.

Quote: "This is not a flame but do you have some sort of disability which inhibits your interactions with humans? People here have been nothing but all sorts of helpful towards you but you have a real pariah thing going on. Again, not a flame, just trying to understand."

Yes, that is a flame. And once again, I am being personally attacked here for asking simple questions. Thanks for making a noob to the site welcome here. I really appreciate it.

Quote: "Lastly, if you want to know if someone (Bond1) will do something for you, you can simply email the person directly to ask."

How many ways do I have to state that I never asked if he would do it, but only if someone WAS doing it (and hinting that bond1 should do it because he is good at what he does)? Do you read my posts? Or do you just enjoy flaming people?

Quote: "Truncheon doesn't immediately scream "fantasy" to me personally, but I will add it to the list."

1. I figured the truncheon was similar to the blackjack from Thief, which is why I questioned.
2. Appreciated. Once it's in the store I'll purchase it.
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2008 18:21
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