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bergice
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Posted: 11th Mar 2009 18:23
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Does anybody have any knowledge about motioncapture?

How do you record motion capture, can you do it in your own home?

I have 3ds max and i believe i can use MC with it.

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Aelin
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Posted: 11th Mar 2009 19:50
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You can do it, if you've got the money to shell out for a expensive motion capture system.

I'm not looking to join any amateur teams, nor do I take requests.
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Gosub
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What I don't understand is if allot of people use motion capture doesn't that mean there's been allot of motion capture? Couldn't you used somebody elses' captured motion? but how would you use it?
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prasoc
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Posted: 11th Mar 2009 21:27
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for 3ds max i think they come as .bip (and you can't use ones from games due to it being in 3ds max not the model file)
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bergice
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Posted: 12th Mar 2009 17:00
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Yes, its in bip files, i figured out i could import bip files to bipeds through motion flow in 3ds max, i also found out you can download free ones from the internet. And i also found out that to get one of those MC suits you have to pay 20000-80000$

There has to be a DIY for free way using paper and glue XD
Atleast i hope so... I have seen lots of videos of people who have done their own motion captures in their own homes.

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Google It
There are tons out there, none are going to be as accurate as the real thing but it would be alright as a start so you could then tweak it. They all seem too much hassle at the end of the day though, so i reckon you should just learn to animate properly.
I believe when we tried it as an experiment we figured out we'd need at least 4 cameras and a bright light, with ping pong balls over the body,(or any highly reflective, white material) we could then translate the lights to points on a rig and drive it that way. It was still only on the spot stuff and it was easier to just animate from scratch anyway. This was mainly theory though with a few tests done with single reflective balls.


I'll finish them whenever i can be bothered.
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tatts
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What I don't understand is if allot of people use motion capture doesn't that mean there's been allot of motion capture?

Nevermind that.....What I don't understand is how people can be so open about using stolen software.....

After all, Your asking questions about how to use a program that is worth no less than 3500.00 on the WRONG FORUMS.

I mean if you actually OWNED this software or even if it were Trial software......which I somehow doubt. Should'nt you be asking these Questions on the AUTODESK forums? They are who created it....

And don't say your just a student either, cause if you were.....You'd be asking your teacher about this stuff........
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Alucard94
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Posted: 12th Mar 2009 22:29
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Quote: "Nevermind that.....What I don't understand is how people can be so open about using stolen software.....

After all, Your asking questions about how to use a program that is worth no less than 3500.00 on the WRONG FORUMS.

I mean if you actually OWNED this software or even if it were Trial software......which I somehow doubt. Should'nt you be asking these Questions on the AUTODESK forums? They are who created it....

And don't say your just a student either, cause if you were.....You'd be asking your teacher about this stuff........
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It's not like you're convincing anyone with your strange typing.
I see no reason against him owning it, and your non-constructive post doesn't help to change that fact.

Just to make this post even the slightest constructive I agree with Oolite on google it, and to me it seems that while motion capture may be more realistic it's just too much hassle.


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tatts
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Posted: 12th Mar 2009 23:13 Edited at: 12th Mar 2009 23:17
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It's not like you're convincing anyone with your strange typing.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.
Fact is, I'm probably right. And Fact is he'd probably get a better responce on the AUTODESK forums (The people who actually created 3ds max)

Non-constructive post? lmao there's alot of that here. I would bet that alot of people who do use 3ds max or maya on these forums, are probably using illegal copies. Why do I care? Why not? Why do you think TGC is so strict about their software, You know! having to register online to actually verify you OWN the software.

You think I havent seen any TGC software floating around on the net? I can think of one program in specific (I will not mention the name for people to go looking for it either).

Point is, If he actually has the type of cash to make such a purchase. I'm sure he could afford to get into a program that is much more evolved and not a Basic program either. He could probably afford some good classes to them too, YOU KNOW rather than to be on a BASIC language bursting brain cells trying to figure out how to use a program that is very poorly documented over a program like C++

As I said HE'D be better off asking on the AUTODESK forums. If I was learning C++, I would be on the MSDN FORUMS, If I were learning Maya, I would again be on the AUTODESK forums.

And If he does actually own 3ds max then MY BAD, but most likely I'm right. Personally I HATE theives, I think TGC does too, after all that is why they keep such a tight grip on MOST their software.

I can't say I blame them.
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Alucard94
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Posted: 13th Mar 2009 00:06
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First of all, capitalizing every third word in your sentences does not make you look cool.

Quote: "I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything."

No?
Quote: "And Fact is he'd probably get a better responce on the AUTODESK forums"



Quote: "(The people who actually created 3ds max)"

Don't patronize me, seeing as you're wrong anyways. Discreet made Max, autodesk just bought them.

Quote: "Why do you think TGC is so strict about their software, You know! having to register online to actually verify you OWN the software. "

Because they don't want pirates?
Quote: "Point is, If he actually has the type of cash to make such a purchase. I'm sure he could afford to get into a program that is much more evolved and not a Basic program either. He could probably afford some good classes to them too, YOU KNOW rather than to be on a BASIC language bursting brain cells trying to figure out how to use a program that is very poorly documented over a program like C++"

Oh really? So you've never saved up for anything in your life then? What if he finally afforded Max and doesn't have any money left after the purchase?
Quote: "Non-constructive post? lmao there's alot of that here."

Well you know, it's a pretty big deal.

Quote: "Fact is, I'm probably right."

So you like to say every few words apparently.

I'd just like to finish off with quoting a certain person from a certain thread you should've read.
Quote: "If you don't have anything constructive to add, don't post!"

(I realize that I'm hypocritical by not adding anything constructive to this post either.)


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tatts
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Posted: 13th Mar 2009 01:07 Edited at: 13th Mar 2009 05:37
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And bergice you want constuctive crits. Search for BVH files as well as your bip. The MR BONES site has tons of them. Mostly for sale. But I suspect you could afford them. And if you can't cause you've blown all your hard earned money on max, then I am sure they have some that are free. To view the BVH files you can purchase a copy of Poser to view them. If you cannot afford to pay for that then I'm pretty sure DAZ 3D can play them as well. That's free. Opps! Truespace can play BVH files too. If BVH and BIP are like any other file, than I would suspect that you might be able to convert from one format to the other....

Oh! and Bergice to even further give some constructive crits!
Try not to rig your models to other peoples work. Study them, And try to do your own animations from what you learned. It is the same with modeling. It is ok to use a model to study its geometry and try to figure out the artists work flow. Or even using models to create references pics. Just don't modify other peoples work and call it your own. Im not saying you do, but rather some advice.
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Sid Sinister
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Alright guys, enough. Winning a fight on the internet is like winning the special olympics.

It is possible to have 3D Studio Max and other expensive software without paying over $3000 dollars. For example, I currently have a 13 month license for only $200, but that's because I'm a student. You can get some killer deals if your in college! I purchased Adobe Web Premium for $600 as well. Well worth the investment.

The fact is, you don't know how he has it. And even if you did, so what, what are you going to do about it? Stop sounding all self righteous. If I were a mod, this would be locked.

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I'll sometimes do "poor man's mocap" for a movement I can't quite visualize.

1. Get 2 or more digital cameras that can record video
2. Set them up on tripods at 90 degree angles to capture front and side views.
3. Hit record, and act out your animation.
4. Import the video clips into your 3d app, or just "eyeball" it if you can't do this.
5. Try to match your character rig to the key poses in your video, and set keyframes.

It works pretty well for mostly in-place motions, jumps, falls, etc. Saves a lot of time it you just can't visualize the motion, and helps with the pacing of the motion too. Doesn't work so well for walks and run cycles though - unless you have a treadmill, then it would work great!

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bergice
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Ok, i wont discuss the argue above since its offtopic

But bond1, that sounds like a really good idea, i might go for that!

Thanks alot

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