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FPSC Classic Models and Media / Animations, Ironsights, and Model Packs

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Crusader2
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Posted: 12th Mar 2009 01:30
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This is mainly aimed at Errant AI, the creator of Model Packs 9-10.
This concerns Ply's Mod.

1. Is it legal to modify/blend the animations of the weapons in the Model Packs? eg. Take the animations of the M4A1 (grenade launcher and non-grenade launcher) and make the grenade-launcher animations the alternate fire through Ply's Mod?

2. Is it possible to do my example?

3. If 1 and 2 are acceptable, how would I do it? I know I would need an animation program, but how would I combine the animations?

Part 2: Ironsights

1. Am I allowed to add ironsights (via. Ply's Mod) to the Model Pack 9-10 guns?

2. Is it possible?

Thanks and Best Wishes,
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Pride
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Posted: 12th Mar 2009 02:07
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1.Yes, so long as you don't redistribute it.
2.Why yes it is, even I can do it
3.Milkshape or Fragmotion, just copy the keyframes

1.Well, can't add them through Ply's mod, but you can add them to the gunspec.
2.Quite, Play's Mod also has Airmod, which is what these questions protain to.


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Posted: 12th Mar 2009 02:09 Edited at: 12th Mar 2009 02:38
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Quote: "1.Yes, so long as you don't redistribute it.
2.Why yes it is, even I can do it
3.Milkshape or Fragmotion, just copy the keyframes

1.Well, can't add them through Ply's mod, but you can add them to the gunspec.
2.Quite, Play's Mod also has Airmod, which is what these questions protain to."


Yay, yay, yay, yay, and yay.

I know that you have to add things through the gunspec, but I didn't know if it was allowed.

EDIT: I need a free program to merge the animations, because I don't plan on doing this on any of my models. This is a one time gig.

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Errant AI
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Posted: 12th Mar 2009 08:52
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You can make any modifications you desire so long as those modifications are not released outside of your completed game.

However, unless you have a fair amount of skill with modeling, animation and troubleshooting , the things you have asked about are probably not worth the effort/headache because the MP9/10 media has been manually culled to reduce polycount meaning that the assets will not work well with zoomgunlag open sights (you will potentially see missing geometry, etc). You will also likely encounter Fragmotion import glitches because the .X files were exported in binary format with compression and while that yields smaller memory footprint it often causes vertex weighting glitches once the .X file is converted back into an editable format. Lastly, something like converting the M4SOPMOD to be a dual-fire weapon will require a substantial amount of modeling and animation to be done because the two modes are currently two very different models and animation sets. They just happen to look the same in the finished model pack when loaded into original FPSC.
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Posted: 12th Mar 2009 23:24
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Quote: "You can make any modifications you desire so long as those modifications are not released outside of your completed game.

However, unless you have a fair amount of skill with modeling, animation and troubleshooting , the things you have asked about are probably not worth the effort/headache because the MP9/10 media has been manually culled to reduce polycount meaning that the assets will not work well with zoomgunlag open sights (you will potentially see missing geometry, etc). You will also likely encounter Fragmotion import glitches because the .X files were exported in binary format with compression and while that yields smaller memory footprint it often causes vertex weighting glitches once the .X file is converted back into an editable format. Lastly, something like converting the M4SOPMOD to be a dual-fire weapon will require a substantial amount of modeling and animation to be done because the two modes are currently two very different models and animation sets. They just happen to look the same in the finished model pack when loaded into original FPSC."


Dang. Well, guess it was worth a shot. So, just to be perfectly clear, I CAN'T do ironsights?

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Posted: 13th Mar 2009 01:00
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You can do a FEAR/Fallout 3 style zoom in quite easily though

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Posted: 13th Mar 2009 01:06
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Quote: "You can do a FEAR/Fallout 3 style zoom in quite easily though "


Never played them; what do you mean?

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Quote: "So, just to be perfectly clear, I CAN'T do ironsights?"


Not with gunspec changes alone. If it was that simple to do, I would have done it myself already
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This is what I meant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvrmBD9ZJYA&feature=channel_page

That is at least acceptable, given that several AAA titles do it this way. Look at the SIMPLEZOOM parameters in the AirMod manual (and make sure it says simplezoommod, not simplezoommmode, that was a typo...hehe).

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Posted: 13th Mar 2009 16:47 Edited at: 13th Mar 2009 17:15
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Not a bad idea; I'd have to re-rig EAI's Game Creators Store weapons to do that as well.

EDIT: How would I do this? I've looked at the gunspec options, but it looks confusing...

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Posted: 14th Mar 2009 00:46
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Here are some AirMod settings I used for the MP5:



Simply mess with the simplezoomx/y/mod to tweak it for each weapon.

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Posted: 14th Mar 2009 01:36
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Thanks Airslide!

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Zapan
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@Errant AI
We've some problems with the .X files when importing them in an other Modelling Program.

You wrote:
....Fragmotion import glitches because the .X files were exported in binary format with compression and while that yields smaller memory footprint it often causes vertex weighting glitches once the .X file is converted back into an editable format...

This is exactly our problem. Is there a way that you can export new Versions without binary format/compression so we can use it in an other Program, too? That would be really greate!
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