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t10dimensional
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is there anywhere when you NEED arrays?can you just call out your varibles the normal way?
-I know you use arrays for organization and thats it.-

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you have had people explain how to use arrays to you and you have made several threads about the same subjects.
You are cluttering up the board.
As you have seen we are all happy to help but please take that help on board and try to use it before starting new threads.

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i was just wondering if u have to use them.y/n

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t10dimensional
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Posted: 29th Mar 2009 23:52
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and have you seen how many random Q's THAT1SMARTGUY has made.

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That1Smart Guy
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mine r all different tho, i dont post several threads on the same thing, xcept maybe the poker game im regretting the 2nd post sorry bout that
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ok, i'll do my studying and if i can't figure it out then i'll leave a post.(i'll stop being lzy)

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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 00:13
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to answer ur question no u dont have to use arrays, they serve the same function as variables, but in a much more organised fashion, i cannot see why u wouldnt use arrays tho
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@Razer
you're right other people have done the same you were just at the top of the board.
I've left a post on your data thread that uses arrays so that should help you understand them too.

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and btw razer tnx 4 singling me out of ev1 in the forums for ur example
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ok thats enough bickering
you've both learned not to post multiple threads on the same subject so lets leave it at that.

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well on topic.

they are very useful when you need a lot of variables for different objects(for 3d) or images(for 2d) then it's not img1 img2 img3 its img(1),Img(2),img(3) and plus for functions and stuff(if declared outside the function) they are the only way to get global variables (unless u use extended syntax on darkedit but all that does it change those variables to arrays when you use em)


all in all i would say clearness i think it's easier to read code and find problems if you using arrays. and the global part which comes in very helpful.

there are a hole lot more reasons but they have been explained in other posts for you. and to be honest for me i didn't just learn about them and use em i herd about em and thought i didn't need em and realized how much i did later and had to restructure everything

and you don't have to use all arrays you can use both (your post sounded lke thats what you meant)


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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 00:44
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@caleb
smartguys hasn't done anything wrong in this thread.

and a big reason for using arrays you left out is where their name comes from; an array means a group of things (in this case, variables), so using arrays enables you to store many variables one place. Imagine you're writing a program that requires 1000 variables, it would take years to write the code for every instance of each variable.
Think about strategy games where you can have hundreds of people running around at the same time, each of their data needs to be stored somehow, and that's by using arrays.
note: you could use memblocks but that is quite advanced so leave that till you have mastered arrays.

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Benefits of arrays (as has been touched on, but in different words): Numeric referencing. If you use a variable, you would need an IF-THEN statement for EVERY CASE. With an array, you can do a single math equation or something and reference whatever is in that slot of the array.

Also, arrays are global, so they can be used in functions. Variables are local, so a variable called NAME in the main code would contain something different from NAME in a function.

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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 03:13 Edited at: 30th Mar 2009 03:20
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Say you have 200 enemies, all of whom have a certain amount of damage that they deal with attacks. The damage is random-- between 0 and 200 damage. Here are two ways to assign damages to these enemies...

No Array:


vs.

Array:


I don't know about you but I'd much rather the second .

EDIT: Oh sorry I misread your post. You may truly need arrays in a situation where you don't know how many of something there will be. For example, say you are making a level editor and you can place cubes. You don't know how many cubes the user will make, so you might as well make an array that can be expanded and contracted based on how many cubes there are. Or you could, just to be safe, make 65535 variables...

EDIT2: Oops, nevermind you can't do that in DBC... Nevermind this post

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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 03:23
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nice waste of pixels sixty, lol

but ya it basically boils down to watevr u r comfortable with, variables take more time and keystrokes but if u understand em betr then use em
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Quote: "nice waste of pixels sixty, lol"


Only if you open to code box

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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 04:17
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no i mean nice waste of a post, pixels just meant waste of the screen
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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 07:54
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thanks for all the input,

and dont think that your post before this was useless because i may not understand it now but later it will be a great help,

sorry if i offended you smartguy all of your post have helped bunches

i look foward to sucking the knowledge out of your brains


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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 09:12
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i think the "darknoob" thingy is not even helpful to noobs because they are doing really difficult stuff thats way past my skill.does any one agree.

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Wrong thread.

It is only supposed to be helpful to noobs who are on the team and participate. And, so far, we have a pretty good success rate. Ashingda, and Irojo were 2 of the earliest members, and they are pretty good coders now. Smartguy is getting better. The only people I haven't seen improve are people who a) don't do anything b) join but quit (which isn't always bad to do and even then they improve a bit, but not much)

And, if it is way past your skill, why not join? There are TONS of aspects to making a game of varying degrees of difficulty. We do our best to assign appropriate jobs to everyone, so that we don't give crazy hard jobs to complete noobs, but we don't give trivial tasks to those who know what they are doing.

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Quote: "does any one agree."


NO

To sum it up, we do complicated stuff so that you LEARN how to use it.

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ok, i'll look into it. its just every project i've seen you do is really hard looking.


i did'nt know smartguy was apart of it, hes a good programmer

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thats kinda wat i think sometimes, but if u just ask about wat u dont understand then mroe often than not u learn how something works or why they used this command here, etc

and tnx razer
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it just looks difficult because of the volume of code, like how a page of maths questions looks terrifying until you give them a try
I played a game called Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway; I looked at the credits and there was one guy whose only job was to make sheep and cows to go in the background You could be that guy! lol

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hey, i would'nt mind makeing a cow in a cool game.

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HAHAHAHAHA, also i recognize the game title, but cant seem to recall the game, hmmm
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[offtopic]
It was a recently released FPS for the 360, PC, and PS3. Don't know too much about it but I think it came out last fall if I remember correctly.

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ah

(hows that 4 a deep and intuitive post)
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Quote: "To sum it up, we do complicated stuff so that you LEARN how to use it."

yes but even complex things need to be made easy to understand for a beginer. but I have a challenge that seems sooo simple but in reality is sooo hard - try making a game with nothing but complete asci characters using only print,get image/paste image commands. This sounds simple at first , but do you think you can do it ? I believe you will find that its so simple , yet so complex. Now for a little trivia - Can anyone guess the one game that is famous for being successful at doing this ? The answer is enclosed in the code below


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ascii can be easily converted to characters so does that count lol

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yes. thats the idea Caleb. All the graphics in the entire game that I mentioned above were completely done using ascii characters yet it was famous.

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wow!

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Quote: ""Do you have to use arrays""


You don't have to...

But lets say you have this code:


It would be a lot easier to write it using arrays:



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how in the world did we reach 33 posts on this?

this should have been a 1-post thread:

no u dont have to use arrays, but they r much more code efficient than variables

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thank you every1 i've got the basics of arrays you don't have to leave any more post

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