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AndrewT
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Posted: 11th Apr 2009 03:02 Edited at: 11th Apr 2009 16:14
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I've finally completed modeling and texturing the first ever head model I've made without a tutorial!





The texture might look a little cartoonish--that was kind of the look I was going for--so I'd mostly like crit on the model itself, specifically the topology, and how I can improve it. I plan on adding hair and accessories as well, but I thought it'd be easiest to criticize the head itself without anything extra on it. I'm also aware that there's a lot of extra polygons on the back of the head--I'm working on that right now.

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lucifer 1101
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the only two things i could pick up was that the front of the ear jutted out, its usually meant to merge into the head, and the back of the head doesnt push in as if there was a neck it was going too..

sorry if i couldnt explain it very well, but overall its a very good job and i would love too see more of your work....
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Posted: 11th Apr 2009 06:24
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Quote: "the only two things i could pick up was that the front of the ear jutted out, its usually meant to merge into the head, and the back of the head doesnt push in as if there was a neck it was going too.."


Just fixed the ear issue, regarding the neck, well, I didn't model one, so that could be part of the problem. I'll try and get a neck modeled.

Quote: "sorry if i couldnt explain it very well, but overall its a very good job and i would love too see more of your work.... "


Thanks.

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lucifer 1101
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ok something i missed when i first looked at it was the line above the brow is pushed in, its meant to curve slowly in

e.g. side on - you have | should be /
/ |

i hope that make sense..
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You should atleast put some type of lighting to it when you render your pics out. That first pic has no depth at all and if it were'nt for the two other pics, you can't even tell it is a model. that first one looks nothing more than a picture drawn out in a paint program.
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Posted: 11th Apr 2009 15:39 Edited at: 11th Apr 2009 15:40
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Quote: "ok something i missed when i first looked at it was the line above the brow is pushed in, its meant to curve slowly in

e.g. side on - you have | should be /
/ |

i hope that make sense.. "


I think I got what you mean, and I fixed it. Thanks.

Quote: "You should atleast put some type of lighting to it when you render your pics out. That first pic has no depth at all and if it were'nt for the two other pics, you can't even tell it is a model. that first one looks nothing more than a picture drawn out in a paint program."


The model itself is to be cell-shaded in game--Goraud shading and the like would not give an accurate depiction of what it will look like, and I figured cell-shading would, if anything, make it harder to pick out features and what not. However if a shaded model is easier to criticize then I'll update my first post with new renders.

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One thing I noticed is that his mouth/jaw looks like he's about to throw up.


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AndrewT
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Posted: 11th Apr 2009 17:52
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Quote: "One thing I noticed is that his mouth/jaw looks like he's about to throw up."


Ahh, I could tell something about his mouth looked off, but I couldn't quite tell what. Thanks.

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Posted: 11th Apr 2009 20:00 Edited at: 11th Apr 2009 20:01
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Just a few characteristics that make it look odd:

his eyes seem squished and bugged out
the area around his mouth is fat
he doesn't have a chin
his nostrils are very circular

this is what normal nostrils look like, for reference:


\o/


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As i just posted for the other character thread, here is some tut'son character process' and head modeling although the latter will just to be to touch your style,


http://www.poopinmymouth.com/process/character_tutorial/character_process.htm

http://www.secondpicture.com/tutorials/3d/3d_modeling_of_a_human_head_3ds_max_01.html

thier very detailed and will break down each step, although the first will jump slighlty but dont worry about that, just get the shape right. And excuse the bad names, I googled for them so hororrs are bound to surface

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Posted: 12th Apr 2009 16:01
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Thanks for the tutorials, I'll check them out.

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Posted: 12th Apr 2009 16:11
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That's not bad, certainly better than what I could do.

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It's pretty nice for being the first head you've made yourself, but you've got a few things wrong, mainly just a few small anatomy issues and the fact that the edge flow has some issues.
Since I'm lazy I just googled an image instead of making one myself but take a look at this:

Notice mostly how the edge loops around the eyes and the nose flow through the mesh of the model, since I noticed a few issues there in your model.


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Ahh, thank you. I always have a hard time getting edge flow right--I'm terrible at organic modeling--so that image is extremely helpful.

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Wow, that's actually really good for the first time you've done a head! The topology (edge flow) isn't too bad, but as noted, it does need some work. Maybe it's me, but a head is quite beautiful when in wireframe mode I just like how you can see how the edge flow loops around in both directions. Around the face, and around the skull.

I like to start from the nose and move my way back, using symmetry of course. For some reason, I like imagining that I'm stretching a balloon like material over his nose, progressively touching the rest of his facial features, and then wrapping it around the back. Once this basic shape is down, I imagine that I'm just using my hands to press on the front of the balloon to reveal in more detail his cheeks, lips, eyes and nose.

The eyes are also done separately. Just leave a hole where the would go and add them in later.

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Quote: "For some reason, I like imagining that I'm stretching a balloon like material over his nose, progressively touching the rest of his facial features, and then wrapping it around the back. ... I imagine that I'm just using my hands to press on the front of the balloon ..."


It's because in a previous life you were a murderer who used elastic material to suffocate his victims.

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LOL! After rereading it, it does sound incredibly violent. Hahaha, thanks for the laugh image! I really haven't killed anyone though

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Sid Sinister:

Thank you for the valuable crit.

Quote: "I really haven't killed anyone though"


Sure you haven't, Sid, sure you haven't...

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