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and i need some tutorials on VB. Do you guys know of any good on-line tutorials or books that are good? My dad used to, but he had to return it as he borrowed it from his company. He also has a hard book entitled "Visual BASIC programmer's Guide To Win32 API". And if you use or used Visual Studio, what do you think of it?

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VS 6.0 is poinless

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Is it old? I got it for free from my dad so, i'm gonna use it...

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I quite like it actually, only ever use VB6.0 with it, even though VB4.0 is my fave version, I still make the occasional app with VB6.0.

As for tutorials...

Well, search google and click at random because there's more tutorials for VB than any other language, being that VB is the most popular language in the world you can imagine the wealth of material out there - everything from 3D stuff to screensavers, and of course more serious apps. You can even make your own browser! - I mean how do you fancy making your own internet browser to your own taste!, it's all there with VStudio. Just take your time, don't try and do anything too ambitious before you know the basic command set for handling controls and files etc.


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ya, i am going too work on basic's first, as i learned the hard way in DB that you can't builda full-scale commercial game in a month

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Visual Basic 6 is the last incarnation of VB before MS started the .NET stuff. It is stable and has a lot of support, but I recommend you get the SP5 for it.

It is primarily useful for Windows apps, particularly database applications. If you are new to it then I wouldn't look at the 'VB Guide to the Win 32 API' as that is quite advanced. There are plenty of other books out there for the beginner/intermediate level user. Just search Amazon.

It isn't very good for games though.....

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I've also got VS6. Just buy one of the 'learn VB6 in 24 hours or days' or 'VB6 for dummies' books. That's what I did.

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Congrats man, buy a tutorial book and you'l pretty much be paying for your own funural.lol seriously though good luck with matt, hope ull be able to make something with it soon, so show us.
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VS 6 is good I got it off a friend of my dads(legally ) VB is a bugger for games though....I wouldnt suggest it, and If your desparate to make a game in it use one of those 3D thingy bobs like truevision I tried to do some openGL stuff in it but it crashes my comp I was gonna install SP5 but I seem to have misplaced all the disks I've lost my DBC one aswell what a bugger

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not thinking on making too many games with it... Is Visual C++ different then other C++?

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i might learn Java sometime too as my dad has stuff for that too...

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No its not, but C++ is'nt eceptionally easy :S once you get passed the stup code for OpenGL it gets a bit easier. I was going to just learn the setup code and use C++ for openGL (although I know hardly any C at all) but I decided against that and I'm just learning C++ slowly now.

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The important part is the 'Visual' word. This basically means it's a more organised and much easier approach to application design. Like to make a box that you can click in and type or edit text would take a fair bit of coding in DB. In VB it'd require you to drag a text box onto the form, that's all. So you could argue that DB is to VB as C++ is to VC++.
I don't think VC++ is any good for games, your probably as well learning the basics in VC++, but go onto Borland C++ or something after that (I think Borland C++ is free for non-commercial use).


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Yeh........I'd listen to Van he know more than me

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ok. I'll probably try to create some GUI .dll's as my first project after learning the basics. My dad just said i should get VS.net. What is the difference?

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I would recomend C++ over VB any day. That & VB from what I have seen, cannot make any games up to todays standards, if at all, as it was orriginaly meant for application designs.

Borland C++ is good, but so is MSVC++, I own MSVC++ 6.0, but my CD broke, its a really good language that isnt too hard to learn, it will just take more time to learn than DB, but is 5-10x more powerfull.

I have been learning some C++ & am about to go back to school & take a C++ programming course at school, so I am happy. It will however take a lot longer time to learn it than basic.

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.net is the new version, so basically VB7 - personally I would'nt bother with the expense, VS6.0 is plenty to be going on with for now (unless he's offering to pay for it). It is more network orientated, hence the .net, but I doubt it has anything much more useful to the average programmer than VS6.


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Quote: "My dad just said i should get VS.net. What is the difference?"

yeh I'd like to know the difference aswell.......... you see you should listen to Van

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I don't think he'll pay for .net, but it might come with a book I get. Here is my programming list

Done:
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DBC

In Progress:
PHP
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After That:
C & C++
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If for Some Odd Reason I Wanted To:
Cobol (My Dad used to do it and he has a book on it...)

Anything else you guys would recomend?

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Quote: "Anything else you guys would recomend?"


Take it one step at a time? don't think about what your doing next think about what your learning now. Thats my advice but I'm very random and prefer to do what I feel like at the time not plan things out, you may be different.

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well, that's not my theory

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first off...

Visual C++ against C++ is really a stupid argument, no offsence but Visual C++ simply gives the user the ability to create Resources Visually (hense the visual part in the name) whilst at the same time allowing you to program thier functionality into the code.

now Visual C++ also uses Microsoft specifics, althought you can (and many do) use it to program C and C++ programs with alot more ease ... you can use it to program using microsoft specific macros, events, libraries.

Really C++ is to DB what Visual C++ is to DB Enhanced -- it is C++ put with alot of extra goodies

although Visual Studio 6 is now pushing its years (release '98) ... it is still one of the most popular for the simple reason that it has an outstandingly easy to work with IDE.
i'd strongly suggest before you get .Net that you try it out over at Microsoft first as they have an online training server up and running.

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ok. I'll probably try to create some GUI .dll's as my first project after learning the basics.
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IIRC you can't make dlls in VB for DBpro.

The .NET framework is Microsoft's idea of crossplatform compiling. So instead of compiling the source to CPU ans OS related machine code, it's compiled to a Common Intermediate Language (CIL). A Just in Time compiler (JIT) compiles the CIL-code to native CPU-code on execution.
The new VS.net includes such a CIL compiler (soon Borland will deliver one for Delphi too)

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Mattman....My point was that I find when you have a list of things you want to do theres always things on the list you want to do more, so when you are going through this list of languages :S you somethimes rush to get to the one you want to learn the most....

But as I did say thats just me I'm offering my opinion

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Visual Basics isn't the best for games, but with the link above it is possible to make them. Personally though, I would prefer coding with opengl, then with direct x. Simple because with opengl, it's open to all platforms(windows/mac/etc.), where as direct x is simply windows.

Another book that I have "Visual Basics 6 how to program"
Doesn't teach you how to specifically make games, but it teaches you how to program. Then you later plug in that info. for making games. (obviously )

Another book I have "Learn to program in 24 hours"
This book teaches you a variety of languages(Java,liberty basic,vb,c++,and maybe more) You should really be able to fly through this one, but it's still a recommended book.

Good luck with programming Mattman.



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Try this link if you're interested in game making with VB.




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Wouldn't advise VB for games, but is totally possible. Hell, .NET compiles to the same code no matter what you use anyhows apparently. Still have .NET at work to install. Ex-Boss swore that .NET was miles better, but overall runs a little slower than VB6 version.

Love VB6 though. Just not for games. Tried that, and that's why I got into DB (and others). Nice and easy please.

Look at planet source code for lots of top coding examples. Is great. Half of the cool stuff I do at work came from there (eg. transparent forms, "proper" timers that use lowest amount of CPU, creating different database formats on the fly etc.). They even have stuff that acts like PC Anywhere, or the beginnings of art packages etc. Is quite sweet.

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@ Yellow :who, that is weird Yellow! I got that book from the library earlier! I also got 'Visual Basic For Dummies', so i will be reading thoese books for a while.

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hmm html is not a language and should never be catorgized as one. if you know it then woop de do. i'll go on dreamweaver and do the same thing and it will be alot better. in the old dreamweaver versions, yes you maybe would have to know some to get more flexability but now its pointless. in the future no one will use html it will all be asp,php,cgi and shit that will produce html.

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html is not a language and should never be catorgized as one
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That's probably why it's called HyperText Markup Language

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I'm not that proud of it, 'cept for the fact that i had it down at age 8.

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Quote: "html is not a language and should never be catorgized as one"

Why not? Because it's easy? You gotta explain yourself.

Quote: "yes you maybe would have to know some to get more flexability but now its pointless."

Why's it pointless? You can do some much with html in very little time.

Quote: "in the future no one will use html it will all be asp,php,cgi and shit that will produce html."

In the future, anyone who wants a professional site will be using asp,php,cgi, and shit. Others, who just needa post pictures, and write text, and put up a couple links will still be using html.

What have you got against HTML Arch? Was it too hard for you? You think it's stupid because it's easy? Maybe you know asp, php, etc. and think html is a thing of the past?

HTML is a good language, especially for beginners. There's no need to bash at it.




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no its nothing really personal against it really im just tired reading on forums after forums that they "know" html..its not a big deal.. Ask anybody thats proficient in vb,c,pascal, you know all the above and im sure they would say its not a "language". some people may say that it is, thats ok i dont really care, its just my 2 cents.

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Quote: "Ask anybody thats proficient in vb,c,pascal, you know all the above and im sure they would say its not a "language"."


only the big headed people....some with gigantic heads say it about DB too.

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I'm on page 287 of my Dummies book and have completed Day 3 in my 21 Days book.

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Quote: "Ask anybody thats proficient in vb,c,pascal, you know all the above and im sure they would say its not a "language"."


Well well... thats me...

HTML is a language. What does the "L" stand for?...Language.

Html is just a very very easy language.. but it is a language none the less. You just cant rate out the little easy language cause its easy.. You still have to learn somthing.

Oh and LMAO @ arch, If you say your using DreamWeaver, why the hell are you saying HTML ain't a language, All Dreamweaver does is drag and paste and save the time of the user from typing out anything.

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HTML is a markup language, Visual Basic is a programming language. Two different languages for totally different end results.

A programming language allows you to write and run applications, a markup language allows you to control how a browser works and displays pages.

That's my tuppence worth...

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Quote: "VS 6.0 is poinless "


Not really. I have the pro version (thanks MS for the sutdent license) and it's great.
Better than any of that .net rubbish! What happened is VB.net? Something went wrong for sure...


Quote: "I'm on page 287 of my Dummies book and have completed Day 3 in my 21 Days book"


Which dummies book do you have?

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Visual Basic 6 for dummies.

I finished week 1 of 21 days.

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Quote: "you can't make dlls in VB for DBpro.
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Why not?

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Why not?"


It makes activex dlls, which are not compatible with DBPro. HOwver if you have VS 6 then you also have Visual C++ 6, which is what you need to make DLLS.

I laos have Visual Basic 6 for dummies its much easier to learn when you can write DB. The basic syntax is virtually identical, you just need to get used to the Object orientated side of things.

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Just my thoughts after reading this thread:

-VB6 is awesome, VB NET is more awesome. The main difference is that the NET version is a true OOP language where VB6 is not (although it's close) If you are starting out in VB i'd say start in .NET, you'll be glad you did in the end. Once I realized how many headaches I would avoid in NET, not having to deal with vb6+win32api I was thrilled. All the low level system stuff is there without API calls and everything is an object - as it should be!

-HTML is a language but I wouldn't consider it a "programming language". It's differences from vb or c are quite apparent.

anyway, just chiming in
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Ouch. Good luck.

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Well, that or regular C++. Might do C first.

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i got vc++.net and plan someday to make games.

mattman learn c++ and become a better programer.

the people who say you cant doit are the people that
cant do S**T all they know is to make little gameboy games.

some day you might be one of the best programers and who knows so will I.

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