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Hey all,
In light of Ply's new shader system that has been added to the latest unreleased of project Blue, I decided to recode some of my older shaders and create a MP6 Weapon shader, and thus taking advantage of the new system.

Bumpbone V2



MP6 Weapon Shader


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Niice, always brilliant shaders CoZ!!! Keep 'em coming !

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Sickness. CoZ, you are an inspiration.

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Hey Coz

I remember seeing in one of your other threads about depth of field and possible heat haze shaders.

Did these ever come to pass and are they available for download. Having a subtle depth of field when picking up objects or using ironsights on guns would be really welcome.
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Very awesome, I added you to msn, just not sure when we are likely to be on at same time
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Awesome screenies, CoZ!

Any chance you could do some more for other weapons?


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Posted: 7th May 2009 14:32
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sweet! is there anywhere we can buy/downlaod this?

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Thanks for the kind words all!
@Nomad Soul: The DOF shader was completed although when used with weapon iron sights, it used to blur the enemy also, not just the weapon. Ill see if I can do some bug fixing on that shader soon.

@Plystire: Sure thing, Ill post some soon!

@john schwarcz: They havent been released yet

Stay tuned

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Both look great- very nice! Neither of them look wet and the gun is quite matte actually. Beautiful

(btw, do you have any released character shaders? I need something to test with and the stock shaders just aren't cutting it)
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Beautiful, are they for sale?

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Posted: 7th May 2009 19:54 Edited at: 7th May 2009 19:55
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@Errant AI: Thanks mate. I dropped you a email with a unreleased shader that should keep you happy for a while

@CoffeeGrunt: Nope, they shall be free

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COZ is the main shader, guys, check his other threads, and their not for sale yet (he has free shaders too and theyr amazing)

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New Shader[This is the shader I have sent you Errant]


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Quote: "The DOF shader was completed although when used with weapon iron sights, it used to blur the enemy also, not just the weapon. Ill see if I can do some bug fixing on that shader soon."


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Quote: "New Shader"


That would be? Looks sweet though!

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Posted: 7th May 2009 22:36 Edited at: 7th May 2009 22:37
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hey coz, they look really good.
can`t wait to see some more

EDIT:
how are they working with more than one light (if they do!)

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Crusader2: Im keeping most of the details of the new shader a secret

Shot showing the new shader in multiple light sources (This looks sweet in action]. As you can also see, I maintain a solid, smooth FPS. (And before anyone asks, Im a Beta tester of Airmod SE)



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Hmmm, it looks like the lighting is merged in the pic for the model shader. But, I could be wrong.

Looks very nice, nonetheless.


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Just for the record, the X10 images will be replaced

@Plystire - What do you mean by "merged"? Would this have to do with the way FPSC only provides 1 light source, or is this a shader related thing? If it's the first one I can fix it

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what new secret shader ??

( can you make a really reflective shader, as if water was poured all over the entites and segmants and combine it with you dark shader you used for the giant monster) if not , its ok, these awsome shaders probably take up alot of time



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the shader on the ingram looks sick

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@Airslide:

I mean that the shader normally only accepts 1 light source for use in it's calculations. Because of this FPSC will calculate the AVERAGE light position and color and supply that information to the shader.

I have an idea on how to counter this, but I would need to research a bit more on shader programming to achieve it.


Basically, the reason you don't see TWO light glares on the entity is because FPSC is only providing one light source to the shader and because the shader itself is only using one input for the light source.


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I know some of Evolved's shaders support multiple lights - it's basically a matter of passing each light's information separately (ie: light1position,light2position etc). I know that multiple lights can be costly, and the biggest problem is knowing whether or not information from multiple lights should be added.

I've passed info to a shader it doesn't use before (accidentally) and didn't recieve any errors, although presumably you'd want to keep the light averaging for shaders that don't support it.

I know there is a performance cost to multiple lights though, thats probably why most shaders I've seen from Evolved only support one (even his deferred rendering only updates shadows from the nearest light to the object I think). It really comes down to visual vs. performance in the end and personally I think the averaging system was a pretty good idea from the performance side of things.

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Yes, there's no doubt that performance should come first. However, if there was a way for FPSC to provide any sort of lighting information to a shader, especially if that shader supported multiple lights, it would be a good idea to implement that, just so we could have those brilliant effects as an option.


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@Plystire: You are somewhat correct. The lightsources are fixed, although the shader blends the lighs accordingly accross the character (through averaging). This is better seen in motion (you can either contact Errant and aquire the shader off of him, or Ill set you up with the new shaders for a test run. (whatever is easier for you).

Here's one of the lightsource floats: As you can see, its fixed.

I would of added multiple lights, although this would of caused the performance to be dire on lower end machines.

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What I'm saying is that FPSC averages the lighting color and positioning of lights that are effecting the entity or player weapon.

FPSC does this even when shaders are not applied to the entity. This was so the entity could be moved around and still be effected by static lighting (which is lightmapped onto the level but should still effect dynamic entities)


If you could send me that shader, that'd be great. I'd love to see it in action for myself.


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This is NUTS, CoZ! I really like this! When's the release date, and how much is it? I'd likely pay!

Also, here's a question; I know nothing about game dev outside of 3D modeling, and so; Is motion blur possible through a shader? As in, weapon movement and such? If so, I would gladly pay Ply to make it possible and pay you to make a shader!

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@Airslide:
Evolveds Deferred Renderer does render up to 8 Lights (with Shadows).
And also all the Shader he uses in it, use all the 8 Lights he renders with shadows for the calculation ^^

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Really? I could have sworn that the DBP side of things only updated shadows for one light Perhaps he updated it since I used it.

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well its not DBP.
He uses his own Lightning System!

EDIT:
if you need a Tester for Airmod SE, just ask me ^^ (really want to help you!)

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Holy crap! Thats wierd!
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Looks delicious!

The Dogman looks terrifying! You just woke my interest in Ply`s Mod...

How do you become a Beta Tester?

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Thanks for the comments guys!
Ill get some more screens up tonight

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aaag this shader is amazing!!!! but i also wanna get wizz mod, and blue mod! and efx i cant get even 2, uch what should i do

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Beautiful, I can't wait 'til you release these...

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Thanks CG!

New shot of the shader on the G3 from MP6


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for me the light should be stronger on the weapon. its to "white" in such a red room!

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@Dark Goblin: The reason for that is because there is a white light behind me (I forgot to mention that). Im standing in the middle of two lights.

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is there any way to have this in wizzmod?

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Quote: "well its not DBP.
He uses his own Lightning System!"


There's code in DBP that handles the cameras and telling the shaders what to do - in the version I have, it searches for the nearest point light and the nearest spot light to the object and casts shadows from them. So multiple lights still work fine, but from what I can tell not on the same object (at least in regards to shadows)

@CoZ - Awesome shaders there! The gun looks pretty insanely scratched up though

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ehm... Airslide, which version of his Deferred Shading do you use ^^

@CoZ:
jep very nice shaders! Keep em coming

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Awsome CoZ, just one question, do you know how to make them work in model pack 1 characters?
I think they must have a special texture.
Can someone hlep me?

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Quote: "ehm... Airslide, which version of his Deferred Shading do you use ^^"


I think it was like the first one

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MAJOR SHADER UPDATE

CoZ Presents: Custom made Full screen shaders for Ply's MOD

Edge Detect & Stencil


Greyscale


Negative screen colouring


Dynamic Hue Satuation (Can be changed on the fly to fit a atmosphere)


Proper DOF (Also works with Ironsights and weapons


Some of these shaders had been in development for a while, I just wanted to keep things hush-hush till now.

Comments Welcome

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O_o

not bad, not bad....
really like them...
they are perfect!

but the DoF looks a bit strange!

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All very interesting. More full screen shaders. Nice.

I agree the DOF looks like the entire screen is being blurred rather than relative to distance.

Hey COZ any chance of a public test with the Aiko shader you sent EAI (pic attached). Would like to see how that works out on some characters. Thanks

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@Dark Goblin: Thanks for the comment. As regards to the DOF, the strangeness is down to the fact that I still havent finished refining the focal points yet. However, the DOF works in a more realistic fashion, that being that distant city buildings and crates are blurred and objects that are closer appear within focus. Obviously I still have some work to do regarding this shader because the character could pass as blind at the moment with vision like that!

@Normad Soul: Sure thing. Im just refining a few things concerning the code, and then Ill send it to your email (Ill need your address/Or just add me on MSN).



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Ahh, I saw a few of these that were advertised by Ply, very useful for effects like head injury\drugging\etc...

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@CoffeeGrunt: Yeah, Ply Showcased Bloom and greyscale. Now..me being me, I decided to start making my own. Ply asked me how long it would be before I started making my own full screen shaders..the answer about a day after

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Awesome, how's performance while they're running? Is there any significant impact to the framerate?

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With these shaders, can you activate and deactivate them with trigger zones? Cuz I have a perfect idea for the greyscale.

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