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Posted: 12th Jun 2009 16:23
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I have a 10 year old brother and likes this program but my mom and dad say it will lead to violence. But it's only a game maker and he doesn't copy violence in games or movies. And now they are starting to think that I will copy violence too! I need some help ASAP!

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Posted: 12th Jun 2009 16:24
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How can I possibily help you? I cant,you must persuade your parents,no other option there.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2009 16:41
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I'm just asking if FPSC is for kids. If it is, I could tell them.

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Well it says 12+ on the box soo...

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to be honest-- on my box here it says "M"

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Posted: 12th Jun 2009 16:58 Edited at: 12th Jun 2009 16:59
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Posted: 12th Jun 2009 17:03
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I know but can kids use the stuff that are appropriate for them?

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Posted: 12th Jun 2009 18:00 Edited at: 12th Jun 2009 19:34
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Well , Im only [please don't post your age] and my parents let me.

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Uh oh mods,we have got a case here,age posting is not allowed.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2009 18:03
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It might be useful with Parents control. It can be useful sometimes for making games for kids .. such as Letters Kingdom so Parents or older persons is important.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2009 20:26
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Well you know what? My mom and dad discussed about it and said is okay if we don't do it in realty and don't make our games very graphic.

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You can make it to make games about sawing people to bits or about finding letters and learning to read.
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Posted: 12th Jun 2009 22:45
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I have a strong view on this subject many parents believe that violent TV, games etc cause violent behaviour. However a university survey that was highlighted in a newspaper i read a few years back proved that violent games often resolve any aggresion. This survey was a group of people with anger managment issues who were given your run of the mill FPS and the survey clearly stated that even though their heart rates were rised they appeared more calm and collected and they felt resolved after a few rounds. I agree with you that violent media does not cause real violence, the event a few years back with the boy who blamed a murder on the epicly behind the counter manhunt im guessing was advised by his lawyer to do so.

I'm with you 100%

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Posted: 12th Jun 2009 23:25
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Let your parents know that you understand the difference between games and reality. Explain to them that your interest is one of creating, and not playing out fantasies that you don't really have anyway. Invite them to see your work and get them involved whenever possible. Shooting is a small part of the big picture. Show them the rest.

Parents who care, or even know what their children are doing is rare and valuable these days. My hat is off to them.

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Thanks everyone for helping.

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Posted: 13th Jun 2009 01:40 Edited at: 13th Jun 2009 01:44
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Violence?

From the screen or the keyboard??

Which one beat you up?

Those who accuse video games of violence are the people who cannot distinguish fantasy from the reality.

There is your problem.

No one gets hurt playing a video game.

Get real.

Explain to them that it might save your life if you have a little virtual combat experience when the government drafts you and sends you to fight terrorists.
You can avoid violence, but it will find you and then you will have no idea how to survive.

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FPS Creator is about creative design. Some blood decals and death animations won't corrupt your mind. Tell your parents that.

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If you remove the blood i bet they will have zero zip zilch none problem with it.
Well, for me anyways.
I hate the blood, i just have COD 2 style blood (i made it)

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I never even saw violence until I bought Fpsc; even then I thought this could be passed off as E-10. it's 99% level design, 1% combat. Why are parents so misinformed? My parents wouldn't let me get GTA's for a while but it's understandable because of the Suggestive (extremely suggestive XD) themes, not the violence. Heck I even got my mum into Half-Life, too bad she has trouble staying alive so sometimes she just watches, enjoys the mystery factor

But like I said before, its to be creative, not express violence and anger.

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Violence violence bla bla,you see people fight at school,you see shooting movies,you see the explosions in Iraq,you see blood when you scrape your knee...In my opinion its total blabla.

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Posted: 13th Jun 2009 18:41 Edited at: 13th Jun 2009 19:02
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Mod Edit:- There was no need for that image was there.




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Posted: 13th Jun 2009 19:01
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Now when some 4 year old is reading this topic with their parents watching...
My parents are really nice, at least my mother. She just sometimes says that I draw and make games that are a bit gory, but that's all. I don't watch 18+ movies or anythnig, because I don't even want to do that!

(yes, this post is full of the smiley. )

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My belief is that if video games influence you to do violent acts in real life, then you already had some problems that needed solving anyways. Unfortunately, as graphics become better and better, I fear we will see more cases of "video-game created violence".

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Posted: 13th Jun 2009 22:18 Edited at: 13th Jun 2009 22:22
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Kudos to your parents for parenting!

Quote: "My belief is that if video games influence you to do violent acts in real life, then you already had some problems that needed solving anyways. Unfortunately, as graphics become better and better, I fear we will see more cases of "video-game created violence"."


Yeah. Either you had problems to begin with or your parents were dumb and put you on a Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitor and you had a bad trip.

Graphic violence simulations don't directly increase violent behavior but they do help to reduce hesitation. I don't remember the exact dates and figures but prior to WWII the close combat commitment rate was pretty low. Soldiers just froze up looking at another human being. Training with human-form dummies proved to reduce hesitation in combat. I wouldn't be supprised if there was DoD/DARPA money at the roots of the FPS genre itself- take it for what you will.

Personality altering drugs aside; Your parents teaching you the differences between right and wrong and to take responsibility for your actions will do lightyears more to prevent violence than prohibition of entertainment media.
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Quote: "Those who accuse video games of violence are the people who cannot distinguish fantasy from the reality."


They have also normally never played a video game, quite ironically..

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Posted: 14th Jun 2009 00:18 Edited at: 14th Jun 2009 00:19
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what IS appropriate on the FPSC?

Quote: "I know but can kids use the stuff that are appropriate for them?"


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The key is in the 12+ on the box.

That's kind of what it's there for.

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Anyways, if you think blood makes it violent (it does) you can edit out the texture very easily. 'Tis what I did.

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The thing is if you dont let your children do anything fun like shooting zombies that growl they will turn against you.Expressing anger through games is a good way of getting rid of anger,better than shooting real people.

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Remove the blood, or the characters with blood (Not the robots or skeletons) Remove the weapon that looks like a penis (blaster).
And there ya go!

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Or let them make games with blood and gore.


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Quote: "Remove the weapon that looks like a penis (blaster)."


If your penis looks like the blaster then I would see a doctor if I were you.


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Quote: "If your penis looks like the blaster then I would see a doctor if I were you."

LOL!
I agree on that.

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Quote: "If your penis looks like the blaster then I would see a doctor if I were you."


Hahahaha!

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Back to the initial question:
Honor thy father and thy mother,
If you try to persuade them that it's not violent even when you know that it is, then you broke a commandment

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Quote: "If your penis looks like the blaster then I would see a doctor if I were you."


LMAO!


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Quote: "If you try to persuade them that it's not violent even when you know that it is, then you broke a commandment"


Well my Dad doesn't really think it's bad anymore.

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Guys, let's not forget the penisless stock dead naked character man thing. I think that's one of the reasons FPSC got the 12+ rating in the first place. Mild nudity and all that.

I also think that the amazingly lifelike AI that comes with FPSC may cause distress to those who question their morality once they kill the placid characters.

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@AaaGreen: lol, that was hilarious.

@Opposing force: lol, I used to think that the rating system in Britain was better then the ESRB. Sounds like I was wrong...

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Quote: "then you broke a commandment"

Since when was this a question of religion? You can't take for granted that people are religious, that's like saying everyone's a vegetarian until otherwise proven.

Errant made some very good points. Unless you suffer from a mental disease that somehow doesn't allow you to separate fiction from fact, then it should not be a problem.
Though, the age ratings are there for a reason. They should not be taken as strict rules, but should be regarded as helpful advice if you're unsure. Given the 12+ rating, if you take two years it doesn't make much of a difference, as it's about mentality. If your parents have taught your brother that violence should be avoided and that he should not take to him the events in a work of fiction, then I'm sure he can play around with FPSC without any negative side effects. After all, the violence level with the stock media in FPSC is definetly not at a traumatizing level.

Save for the penisless man, of course. Now that's scary.

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Quote: "I also think that the *amazingly lifelike AI that comes with FPSC may cause distress to those who question their morality once they kill the placid characters."
(*Emphasis is mine)

LOL That's even funnier than the penis thing!

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Quote: "Since when was this a question of religion?"


In a topic of mine I said I was a Christian.

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Still, it doesn't matter if you're religious or not, it's a question of wether or not your brother should mixture with FPSC, if he's old enough mind-wise to tinker with the super amount of gore!

For the record, yes, I was ironic regarding super gore in FPSC. Sure, it can be achieved somewhat, but using stock stuff... Hmm, nah.

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Quote: "The key is in the 12+ on the box.

That's kind of what it's there for."



Mine says "M" that is why i posted in that response what IS appropriate about the FPSC

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Quote: "Violence violence bla bla,you see people fight at school,you see shooting movies,you see the explosions in Iraq,you see blood when you scrape your knee...In my opinion its total blabla."

LOL

Quote: "Remove the weapon that looks like a penis (blaster)."


I guess size does matter.

Quote: "I wouldn't be supprised if there was DoD/DARPA money at the roots of the FPS genre itself- take it for what you will."

Yeah, and NASA is going to assinate the President with an Earthquake, right?

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Honor thy father and thy mother,
If you try to persuade them that it's not violent even when you know that it is, then you broke a commandment"

Religion?
You broke a cammandment of the AUP.
hmmm, i guess it's time to fight fire with fire...

Ecclesiastes, chapter 3, verses 1 through 8

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1 For everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven:

2 a time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3 a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4 a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5 a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6 a time to seek, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7 a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8 a time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for peace.

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mwuhahahahaha, and don't forget "a time for gaming"

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@Conjured Entertainment:Now that kinda muddies the waters now doesn't it?

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Quote: "Now that kinda muddies the waters now doesn't it?"

Sorry, but I love pointing out the contradictions of the bible, especially to those insisting on 'spreading the word'.
This is a direct contradiction of 'thou shalt not kill', and only one of more than 200 contradictions in the bible.

Also trying to point out that Religion is not a topic for these forums.

But you are right, I shouldn't have poured kerosene on the fire.

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Quote: "Sorry, but I love pointing out the contradictions of the bible, especially to those insisting on 'spreading the word'.
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No problem CE. You learn something everyday.

Quote: "Also trying to point out that Religion is not a topic for these forums."

And this thread is an example of why.

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@ everyone who thinks this has nothing to do with religion:
Wrong! There's major sins and minor sins. Major are direct, 1st class evil, and minor is somewhere in the sub categories (still bad). This would be a major sin, but seeing as he probably didn't know that it was wrong, it's a venial sin, which means it's not bad at all, whereas if it was a moral sin, it would have terrible consequences... Wow, I amaze myself

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In what way do you amaze yourself? No one cares about this, religious discussion is also prohibited from the boards so I don't understand why you brought it up in the first place.

FPS Creator is not a sin. As CE pointed out, "a time to kill, a time for war". The bible didn't ever say anything about "thou shalt not play around with game making software!"

Besides, as mentioned, all these contradictions. Thou shalt not kill, huh? What about all the humanists who were murdered for not being christians?

I'll quote what a great man once said; "Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself!"

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I always believed the rating system wasnt meant for age, but maturity level. if you are sheltered your whole life and never let see violence or anything, than you will be unprepared for the real world. I got mortal Kombat when i was 3, and sure, it freaked me out then, but it was better than me never understanding anything and growing up believing in unachievable standards about how horrible civil or religious wars can simply be discussed over tea and sorted out. it isnt like that.

all in all, it is still the parents choice if fpsc is right for their child. but if they question the rating, than theyre treating it like a game, arent they? and its not a game, its a game engine! does the unreal engine have a rating?
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