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3 Dimensional Chat / how to make a person?

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mike5424
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Posted: 22nd Jun 2009 19:39
what is the best software to use to make a person? also can someone tell me where i can find some tutorials?

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2009 19:42 Edited at: 22nd Jun 2009 19:44
Baby maker v0.3 - More info here

also on serious note..


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Posted: 22nd Jun 2009 19:45
lol thats cool xD

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2009 19:48
lol i mean a 3d computer person.

now i wonder what im gonna tell my perants when they see that i've gone onto "how to make a baby"?

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2009 19:50
haha i just got the joke xD Baby maker lmao

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=124872&b=3

heres a list of all 3d editors

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"how to make a 3d baby model" phew........ now they will think i meant in blender or somthing (wait...... that's what i wanted!)lol

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2009 20:05
anyways where can i find some 3d person modeling tutorials

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2009 20:42
http://zeus.3dtotal.com//ffa/tutorials/max/joanofarc/joanmenu.php
A classic, its for max but doesn't go into the tools, just the idea and process of building a person. I hope you are familiar with the tools in your program. If not, make something simple and stop trying to dive in head first with a character.

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2009 21:24
is that gmax or 3dsmax or dosn't it matter?

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2009 22:20
hmm, i personally find 3ds max a great(expensive) tool for just about anything, i would also suggest maya, not sure about cheaper ones, maybe Blender?

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2009 23:08
Quote: "is that gmax or 3dsmax or dosn't it matter?"


Quote: "A classic, its for max but doesn't go into the tools,"




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i have 3ds but it dosn't work to well

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2009 23:48
Well next time buy it and read the manual <_<

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 00:10 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2009 00:18
double post


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Quote: "i have 3ds but it dosn't work to well"


no the problem is the thing sitting behind the keyboard...

this is us being nice, especially too those who pretty much admit to piracy, before you stenously deney it,

ill put it in context,

You have no idea what or how to drive you dont know the ignition switch from the throtle, you happen to get this formula 3000 waiting already. Tell me what you would think standing in our position.


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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 00:49
Quote: "READ THE STICKIES!"

just search for it!...

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 13:31 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2009 13:32
Considering that you're new and that some users here have already tortured you enough with "Search" and "Read stickies" posts, I'll refrain from it (For now. ) and actually post something!
There are plenty of free and priced modeling softwares out there, 3DS Max, Maya, Lightwave, Cinema 4D and many more lives in the group of more higher priced ones and where you are standing I would say just stay away from them for a while, they won't give you any real advantage at your current stage from free softwares. The free popular softwares include Anim8or, Wings3D, Milkshape (Not free but damn close), Blender etc.

All of these are very doable as modeling softwares and you can go with either one and still be fine, but the one that I like to nag on about is Blender 3D (http://www.blender.org), it's an open source cross platform 3D bundle that includes everything from modeling to animation to proper rendering engines, and has a ton of features to say the least, some people like to compare it to the more higher priced ones and I say that they have full right in doing so, all whilst being 100% free.

Now the issue that scares everyone away from Blender is the interface, it can be terrifying when you first look at it but as with anything, practice makes perfect, and you just need to go through a few tutorials (The Blender Noob-to-Pro wiki is very useful, I believe there is a beginner series from Blender underground that is very useful, Montage studio has some great ones etc. There are a whole ton of Blender resources out there just for you to open and consume!) and you'll know the software as the palm of your hand.

Basically, the only people who are scared of Blender are the people that just don't want to learn. It's an amazing piece of software engineering and it constantly keeps growing. Especially with the upcoming release of Blender 2.5, which will contain a complete UI re haul and quicker workspace, workflow enhancements etc. Basically they're completely re-writing Blender for 2.5, which I find amazing, especially considering all the new UI features and everything they're just jamming in there.

For modeling people, since you seem to be pretty new, stay away from it for a while, model more mechanical things (Guns are something that comes to mind, just because people seem to have so much love to them, but vehicles, furniture etc. are also just fine) and get used to your software and just modeling in general, and then move on to people.
Modeling organic things is very tricky, and generally takes a while to get your mind around, as it really needs some proper thinking and some skills as well, so modeling more mechanical things which at least at this early of a stage doesn't really require as much thinking (But later on they'll require just as much as organics, trust me. ) and will probably be the easiest for you to learn on now.

That would indeed be my advice. Hopefully it wasn't too lengthy.


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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 22:32 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2009 22:35
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no the problem is the thing sitting behind the keyboard...

this is us being nice, especially too those who pretty much admit to piracy, before you stenously deney it,

ill put it in context,

You have no idea what or how to drive you dont know the ignition switch from the throtle, you happen to get this formula 3000 waiting already. Tell me what you would think standing in our position.
"

one ofmy freinds gave me 3ds max..... and my laptop has a virus so it goes slow.....

thanks Alucard94! that was the first post that actually helped me! im gonna have a look at modeling vehicles (you said vehicles are also fine) or mabye furniture...... anyways thanks!

EDIT: im not gonna use 3ds max anymore. i might even uninstall it since i can't do anything good with it (exept animate) and even the tutorials can't help because, as i said, it goes slow. so i can't have the tutorials open. if i want to animate i will use gmax.

thanks again Alucard94

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Quote: "EDIT: im not gonna use 3ds max anymore. i might even uninstall it since i can't do anything good with it (exept animate) and even the tutorials can't help because, as i said, it goes slow. so i can't have the tutorials open. if i want to animate i will use gmax.
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Isnt Gmax a stripped down version of 3ds max ?

Btw if you are new at modelling i wouldnt start with characters

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Quote: "Isnt Gmax a stripped down version of 3ds max ?"


i would say some kind of demo of it. it has the same, good, animating system (i just love the 3ds/gmax animating thingy)

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Posted: 24th Jun 2009 00:14
Max animating is amazing, i love the rigging tools, XSI's are amazing aswell but i'm so accustomed to max in general its hard for me to love another program as much as that. Everything has its flaws and i really don't understand where these people are coming from when they say its unstable, i've never had any major problems with it, and when its crashed i've usually got backup saves and the in built autoback system anyway.

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Quote: "Everything has its flaws and i really don't understand where these people are coming from when they say its unstable, i've never had any major problems with it, and when its crashed i've usually got backup saves and the in built autoback system anyway."


same its crashed three times in all my years of use and even then i have a auto backup every 2min and culivtive save ontop. and that was nothing to do with the animating section.

Bah am on max 9 though i really dont want to pay for the upgrade to 2010, they pretty much skin you it.

Hell at least he never ripped someones media, that is as crime where flaming is actually allowed. Not by the mods but its generally excepted if they have proof. good try for the first few models, look for gun tutorials and the like, and try box modeling,

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Posted: 24th Jun 2009 19:35
Quote: "Bah am on max 9 though i really dont want to pay for the upgrade to 2010, they pretty much skin you it."

Poor you, i'm still on 8...
Not seen the new modelling tools in 2010 then? This seems to be the major upgrade thats been worth paying for since 8.
I'm saving my pennies.

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I have seen it and dear god it makes me feel dirty lol


I think i have £200 in my max fund.


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Posted: 24th Jun 2009 19:58 Edited at: 24th Jun 2009 19:59
I want news on Maya 2010, I'm so hoping that they will finally change the UI to actually be, well, proper. Right now it's extremely clunky and slow and behind the curve by a long shot, it's been bugging me for quite a while.


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i hope they make a wings 3d 2010 (lol)

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Finally, a maya user agreeing the UI is poop. I've never been a fan either, its usable and perfectly fine on first appearance, but try and dive deeper into it and it becomes horrid.

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Indeed, I can use it just fine though at the moment and am not really disturbed "work-wise" from it seeing as I tend to go with only the viewport and the shelf just trashing all the other things. Hot keys certainly do the trick. And at least things like the Outliner and the Hypershade (While extremely slow at times) work just fine.


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...I'm still on Max 3.0...never upgraded after that. Migrated to Gamespace when that came out then eventually dished out the dough for Truespace. Though then TS was a hellava lot cheaper then Max.

As for how to model humans...references!! Also a good understanding of topology.

Good reference + understanding of topology = good mesh

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wait...... truespace is free.

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ts is free man U GOT RIPPED OFF!

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Before TS7, Truespace was about $600(this was a long time ago). It was only recently made free...though now you can't get it anymore.

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Max 3.0
Quote: "...never upgraded after that. Migrated to Gamespace when that came out then eventually dished out the dough for Truespace. Though then TS was a hellava lot cheaper then Max"


max 3

that was 7 years ago, ts wasnt free bck then...

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Quote: "though now you can't get it anymore."


Are you sure? I found it on the Caligari website
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yup caligari is still giving it out free.
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er...I know, I said I paid about 600 for TS...though honestly I can't exactly remember. Was a while ago. I guess you didn't see my response because it hadn't been approved by a mod yet. oh well...

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lol, just looking back through my posts.

Quote: "You have no idea what or how to drive you dont know the ignition switch from the throtle."

uh, if you put it that way i don't know how to drive im under age to drive

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Through experience... Just keep going. You AREN'T going to make a quality person anytime soon. I personally have been working on a helmet for 3 weeks and I only have the visor done... and that's only the modeling, I hate to think about the texturing. I suggest wings 3d for early modelers. It has a very easy interface and the texturing tool is pretty good, just make sure your model is BIG. Other than that just practice.

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Quote: "Through experience... Just keep going. You AREN'T going to make a quality person anytime soon. I personally have been working on a helmet for 3 weeks and I only have the visor done... and that's only the modeling, I hate to think about the texturing. I suggest wings 3d for early modelers. It has a very easy interface and the texturing tool is pretty good, just make sure your model is BIG. Other than that just practice."


this was like a month ago, thanks anyway but now i've got the hang of this.

p.s. 3 weeks?!? that's crazy!

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