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Geek Culture / Going to buy an xbox 360... finally

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draknir_
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Posted: 18th Jul 2009 18:13 Edited at: 19th Jul 2009 12:16
I've finally decided to buy a console. I've been a hardcore PC gamer for years and years and at heart I'll always be a PC gamer, but PC hardware just costs too ridiculously much. For 350 euros I can get this package:

- Xbox 360 Elite
- Resident Evil 5
- Halo 3
- GTA IV
- Some extra family type games

Are there any other 'must buy' titles I should get (don't say Gears of War)?

Also, I want to connect my 360 to my 19" 1280x1024 monitor and basically play up close like I would PC games. My monitor can take both VGA and DVI, so should I use an HDMI to DVI cable, or an HD AV to VGA cable?

Finally, I'm buying a european console because I live in the Netherlands (duh). In a weeks time I'm going to the US to visit my family for a month, and I want to bring my shiny new console with me so me and my brother can play some co-op Resident Evil. What extra hardware would I need to get it working over there? Would xbox live work?
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Posted: 18th Jul 2009 19:36
I have one unrelated suggestion... it will take time away from the millions of personal projects you'll wish to do in the future. You may look back and say "Why was I gaming so much? I could have been way more productive with myself."

When I had a lot of money in the bank, seeing shiny objects and "sales" all appeared to be a joke. What difference is 5 or even 50 dollars if you are good at saving your cash? "Save even more" is the act of not going after millions of frivolous things in a lifetime.

There were two things that stopped me from having anything before I broke the habit. One was owning a car, the other was buying stuff I wanted and not stuff I needed.

I know it's not what you wanted to hear, but it's what will keep you from running straight into poverty. I just look back and can't see any positive outcome to spending days on the gaming machine. (response is assuming this post will be moved soon)

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Posted: 18th Jul 2009 19:57
Difference being these shiny things make productivity. I have an Xbox 360 and play Live with my friends in a clan, Hell i only got back from thiers yesterday, Ale is also very shiny, and very nice. I agree with you saying dont spend you entire life on them but fur fun go for it, Though i wouldnt like to admit how much time ive spent of COD 4-5, 11 days total lol.

Out of curitosity by productive what do you mean?

On topic lol, no perticular order'

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Turok

Halo 1-3

Too Human

The orange box

prince of Persia

Hawx

That covers some games that i love along with others

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Posted: 18th Jul 2009 20:58 Edited at: 18th Jul 2009 21:03
You're going to have some fun gaming. I didn't get mine that long ago (just after Easter) and I think it was worth it. There are some pretty cool games. Gears of War isn't that bad, mind you, I've only played it 2-player (my sister likes playing co-op with me). Though it is just all muscle, sweat and blood when you come to think about it. I bought it to check out what the fan-boyish is all about, it's not for everyone though.

Anyway, my recommendations:

Fable II - I was recommended this and I loved it. Though it's short it's worth every penny - I even formed an emotional attachment to some of the characters, like my dog, wife and daughter.

Halo 3 - another game I bought to see what the fan-boyism was about, it's actually a very fun game, it's interesting too, though it seems you need to play Halo and Halo 2 to know what's going on. I've been confused mostly trying to pick up what's happening as I've been going along.

Mass Effect - A very good game - I had to buy it again for the 360 because the PC version was too buggy. This is one of those games you'll need to install to your hard drive to get better loading performance, which you'll need. Very interesting story, and I love the interactivity with the characters and how you can effect the outcomes differently by how you act or what you say. It is a 3rd person shooter with RPG elements (you even level up)

Fallout 3


If you're into Japanese RPGs (which the 360 has a good selection of), I recommend:

Star Ocean 4 - some characters are annoying and voice acting is poor. Get your head around it and
you've got yourself an additive games with an interesting storyline. The battle is real-time, no random encounters. This game can have you playing for many hours, I'm nearing 40 hours, without doing side stuff.

Lost Odyssey - a must have JRPG, it's turn-based with random encounters, the system will remind you very much of the Final Fantasy games because it's by one of the people who made the Final Fantasy games (I believe the originals) and the music is by Nobuo, who is a very good game music composer I think. This will have you playing for many hours too, I'm stepping over 30, without doing side stuff. The has some quite emotional moments in it - certainly it tries to have a heart moving story.

Infinite Undiscovery - It's interesting, it's by the same team as Star Ocean 4 - and I've enjoyed it so far. It is real time battle.

The Last Remnant - I have it for the PC, but the battle system is turnbased, though there's no random encounters. Instead of individual players you have factions in the battle. It's a little different by that respect. It's by Square-Enix and I though it was really good, I quite liked the plot and enjoyed the ending. The difficulty is unbalanced, so there are some unnaturally hard bosses and you can feel them to be a bit cruel, like the Gates of Hell, who raises dead characters and makes them attack you. On the 360 there are meant to be a few bits that aren't optimised properly - it's supposed to be better if you install it.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2009 21:33
Games I'd recommend:
-Call of Duty 4 and/or 5 (4=Modern, 5=Pacific Theater of WWII, same engine though)
-Oblivion (If you don't have it for PC already)
-Fallout 3 (Post apocalyptic open world RPG using modified Oblivion engine)
-Orange Box (HL2 and Portal are great games)
-Bioshock (Great FPS-RPG combination)


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Posted: 18th Jul 2009 21:52
I'll concur with Bioshock - that game was a great experience.

Oblivion is awesome as well, but I prefer having it on the PC.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2009 05:59 Edited at: 19th Jul 2009 06:01
It really depends...

Do you like story?
Fallout 3: retro 50's scifi mixed with Mad Max = epic. (don't wanna spoil anything)
Mass Effect: Best.Storyline.Ever, great science fiction universe as deep as any star wars fan-fiction
Orange Box: The mystery of half-life (plus portal's dark sense of humor)

or more action oriented?
Call of Duty 4: well, I bet everyone will blabber about how amazing it is, I just thinks it was "fair"
Battlefield 1943: awesome multiplayer-only, worth the 15 dollar download
Red Faction Guerrilla: realistic Building destruction with a surprisingly fun multiplayer

good party games?
Left 4 Dead: extremely polished 4-player co-op zombie genocide!
Rock Band: self-explanitory, you can probably get it fairly cheap now....
Borderlands: Save some money for this one, its coming out in October. it's an Fps-Rpg with 4 player co-op.

uhh for family games all I can think of is Rock band or the Lego Star Wars/Indiana Jones type games, which I play with my neighbor sometimes and they're actually quite enjoyable.

my taste in music isn't weird, its just so amazing your ears haven't quite adapted to it yet.
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Posted: 19th Jul 2009 06:45 Edited at: 19th Jul 2009 06:53
if you like racing games, forza 2 is under a $1 on amazon.. forza 3 being coming soon.


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Posted: 19th Jul 2009 07:40
Mass Effect is my favorite xbox 360 game if not all time favorite game. You should definitely give that game a go.
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Posted: 19th Jul 2009 09:26
There's a balance to saving money and spending it on what you need and what you want. If you only buy what you need at the expense of your quality of life, you're just hoarding money (unless you like living like you're in poverty just so you can have a huge bank account). And spending money is important anyway as no economy is going anywhere if it just stays hoarded up in private bank accounts... So the ability to manage money is pretty important to everyone.

Anyways, to the topic...

I'm surprised no one's mentioned the downloadable content in this thread. My personal favorites-

1942: Joint Strike. Not a long enough game for me, but I still enjoyed playing it.

Triggerheart Excelia. Only if you like anime girls with big guns or manic shooters in general.

Outrun (don't know the exact title).

Then there's the original DOOM, Duke Nukem 3D, etc...

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Posted: 19th Jul 2009 12:14
I just bought my Xbox 360 Elite! I didn't get the resident evil package because buying it from a local store was cheaper than from the webstore. I picked up Halo 3 for 25 euros and Oblivion + Bioshock for 40 euros.

From all of your suggestions I've decided I definitely need to get Mass Effect, I've heard a lot of good things about it as well. I'm also thinking about one of the Call of Dutys, but I'll see how far I get with my current games.

I have the orange box on PC, so I think I'll skip that one.

@feiting shadow: I already spend most of my time between work and uni, I haven't played a decent game in nearly a year because my PC is too old to play anything new. I think I deserved this little pleasure seeing as my birthday is in two days and I'm spending the summer with my family for once, as opposed to being home alone and just working all summer. Finally, the price really isn't going to render me completely poor, especially compared to the price of a new PC.
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Posted: 20th Jul 2009 03:29
Mass Effect will always remain a treasure in my cupboard, a simply excellent game. It's story will grab you by the testicles and won't let go until you've fisnished it.

Fable II was brilliant as Seppukku mentioned, will also keep you occupied for a while.

Fallout 3 is my favourite game of all time, although it is probably far better on PC. Although it probably runs better on the 360.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2009 12:31 Edited at: 20th Jul 2009 12:33
I am beginning to regret trading in Fable II (I traded it in so I could get Hawx for my Dad on father's day) I had completed it and had done a lot of the extra stuff, but it's so enjoyable - as how the game seems to adjust to how good or evil you are - after *spoiler*
I just took an evil turn, every woman I married that I didn't like I just slaughtered, I went Jack the Ripper on Bloodstone, killing all of the whores...and everyone else for that matter, it was fun whilst it lasted. Also, the 'hunter' achievement made me giggle, when you turn the safety off and shoot an innocent little bunny rabbit. Before I traded it in everybody just ran away at the sight of me...except for the sad few that still loved me - that was the only annoying thing, when you're famous people don't leave you alone, women (and men) proposed to my character even when in my house with my wife and daughter, it seemed very rude, though slapping them seems to work. I loved that whole extra aspect to the game.

The story itself is quite sad in places, and a little moving and is very well done - you'll fall in love with your dog. The childhood link works. I connected with it at least. Oh and I hate Stephen Fry's character, but I want make any spoilers as to why, lets just say if you're not quick enough, he can be a real kick in the teeth.


Yes, it's difficult to let go of Mass Effect, when I had it on the PC, it ran like crap, I mean it was so poorly written for the PC that only the lucky ones had it running smoothly, despite major flaws in performance, I was still immersed in it that I completed it on the PC, soon after getting my 360 I had to get another copy just so I can complete it again. At the moment it has my sister hooked, though I've not let her on my 360 for a couple of weeks.

Fallout 3 - it's great for mods on the PC, but you might need a fairly decent PC to get a smooth FPS and some people complain about bugs (though I've not encountered them), I'm tempted to buy the Fallout 3 pack in game for the 360 in GAME, which has both expansion packs, though I'm waiting for it to go down in price (£40 is a bit steep when you already have the PC version)

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Posted: 21st Jul 2009 13:59
Quote: "but you might need a fairly decent PC to get a smooth FPS"


I hear that, I can run Crysis on the highest at a respectable framerate, and I still lag a fair bit. It has the same requirements as Oblivion mostly but there are a load more objects in the outdoor areas. It's packed with ruins and rocks and all sort of crap.

Quote: "Oh and I hate Stephen Fry's character,"


He has a part in the game? Who?

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Posted: 21st Jul 2009 14:13 Edited at: 21st Jul 2009 14:14
He voiced Reaver.

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Posted: 21st Jul 2009 15:02
I don't know what cable you need. I use something like this one - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Xbox-360-High-Definition-Cable/dp/B000AYYADE/ref=pd_cp_ce_1

That's the only option for my monitor, but it works perfectly.

Games? I recommend Orange Box. Surely the best 360 game i've got.

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FarCry2 is a great single player and multiplayer FPS - and it has a map editor, so you need never get bored of the same levels time and time again. It's one of the best conceived FPS games I've ever played on 360, and I've played probably all of them .

Fallout3 is amazing too, so long as you liked Oblivion you'll like Fallout3, if you didn't like Oblivion then you'll probably still like Fallout3.

Your not gonna want to spend £40 every time, so maybe people could list some old cheap classics too...

Battlefield:Modern Combat is better than BF:Bad Company, it's engrossing and fun - and will be cheap as hell as the game is ancient.

Dead Rising: Incredible amount of carnage, zombies, weapons, outfits! - the game is hard but probably the ideal zombie game setting despite the often ridiculous bosses. What I like most about it is the way you can disregard guns for the most part, and get down and dirty with the garden impliments, chainsaws, pneumatic drill, lawnmower... The sequel is coming out, and looks great too, but you should be able to get DR for around £10.

Gears of War: Should be cheap as chips these days - everyone needs a good co-op game, and this is much more of a buddy effort than with Halo3, so if you want to play split screen, GoW 1 is ideal.

Forza: If you even remotely like driving games, then Forza is a must, and might even come with Viva Pinata too, which is fun in it's own right. But Forza is like the best driving simulator for the 360, it gets in depth and technical, but it's still easy to get into.


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Posted: 21st Jul 2009 15:50
Quote: "FarCry2 is a great single player and multiplayer FPS - and it has a map editor, so you need never get bored of the same levels time and time again. It's one of the best conceived FPS games I've ever played on 360, and I've played probably all of them"


I forgot to mention FarCry 2, and I just agree with what you've just said...perhaps not may favourite FPS, but a very good one none-the-less. The multiplayer is fun (though I only played multiplayer on the PS 3 version). On the single player, I like the freedom of it, it's like before a mission you go to your armoury and choose (if you've bought them) your weapons of choice, nab a car and make your best route there, you either choose to execute the mission as contracted or listen to your friend's advice. You can think about the best way to infiltrate a base, which I quite like - it's usually best to scout the place before you jump in - or if you have higher ground, just snipe the guards. In the case of a sniper shooting you, using objects for cover before flanking him.

The map editor is also quite cool to use - it might even help you with thinking about level design.


Quote: "Gears of War: Should be cheap as chips these days - everyone needs a good co-op game, and this is much more of a buddy effort than with Halo3, so if you want to play split screen, GoW 1 is ideal."


I cannot emphasise more that it is a good co-op game, it's probably boring in 1-player mode, I don't know, I've never tried it, if you've got a friend to play with, then it's ideal for co-op, like Resi Evil 5 is best for co-op. I picked up my copy for £10, so if you ever feel like an impulse buy, then it might be worth it.

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Do not buy an X-Box 360, instead purchase a PS3! It is well worth the money and the blu-ray capabities really benefit the system for memory storage for large games. Just make sure to buy the 160GB Drake's Fortune bundle though, because you get the most bang for your buck with that deal.

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Quote: "and the blu-ray capabities really benefit the system for memory storage for large games"


And check out the hundreds of games that use all that storage

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For your 360 I recommend almost all of the above games as well. I wasted a lot of time on Fable 2 so I'd probably recommend that one most. Another great one is the Chronicles of Riddick.

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Posted: 21st Jul 2009 20:13 Edited at: 21st Jul 2009 20:15
It's a little silly to say 'buy a PS3 instead' (if not fanboyish), because I am sure anybody who's sensible and is going to spend ~£200 of their hard earned cash then they are likely to know what's on offer and they know what they're looking for. Extra storage on a disk is great, sure, but one of the 360's main advantages is its list of exclusive games. If you're interested in a good number of XBox 360 exclusive games, a PS3 won't suffice, despite the extra storage on a blue-ray (it doesn't take much to swap disks on a multi-disk game - I have a few...all of which are XBox 360 exclusive games) but honestly, there are more reasons to buy a PS3, but this isn't as "I'm looking for a console to buy thread", but a "I've chosen my console and I'm looking for recommendations" one.

I'm not saying the PS3 is crap, my parents own one and they're pleased with it and it's everything they need, there's not one (yet) XBox 360 exclusive game they want to play (I say 'yet' because Monkey Island is coming out on XBLive Arcade) and they're really good consoles, but I can't play more than half of the games I currently own for the 360 on one.

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Quote: "don't say Gears of War"


Sorry but i'm gonna say it, you need to buy Gears of War 1.

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@Seppuku: Cool, I'll add you. I should have posted my own gamertag: DRAKN1R

@Van B: I just played the BF1943 trial demo, and was completely blown away - fantastic experience. Does the older battlefield game still have a decent online community?

@Beast E: I considered the pro's and con's, and while PS3 is an amazing piece of hardware, it just doesn't have the game library I'm looking for.

Fable 2 seems to have a lot of support, I guess once I've finished Oblivion and Bioshock I'll pick that one up. I have Fallout 3 on PC, but I haven't touched it in ages, so maybe I'll buy it for 360 as well.
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Yeah, you can usually get a decent game before too long. The maps are pretty huge so it's best to find a game with as many players as you can, lag is not too much of a problem.


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Quote: "I just played the BF1943 trial demo"


ME too, it was awesome fun. Only moments away from victory when the enemy captured 2 flags at the same time and bam we lost.

I couldn't get the hang of flying a plane though, I kept crashing it and then losing 10 points for suicide

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We'll to be frank my favorite part of the PS3 is sometimes it comes with a larger hard drive than the X-BOX360 even though you can upgrade both of them. I enjoy purchasing well put together Indie games off the playstation network. The X-box live channel is nice and even gets better releases for games like: TMNT-- Turtles in Time Re-shelled coming out tommorow.

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Quote: "We'll to be frank my favorite part of the PS3 is sometimes it comes with a larger hard drive than the X-BOX360 even though you can upgrade both of them."


Here in the UK you can only purchase the 80GB Playstation 3, that also is the largest HDD that comes with the PS3. If you want more space you have to void the warrenty and swap it out.

When you take note that the PS3 80GB is £300 while the Xbox 360 120GB is £230, that's a huge £70 price difference for what is effectively 30GB less space.

Not to mention that PS3 software often uses more HDD space, as well as each title you put in requiring some of the HDD to install prior to running.

I use my Xbox 360 more than most of my friends, as well as utilising far more of it's hard disk with a few installed titles; DLC for almost (if not) all of games as well as around 50 XBLA titles. I'm still using the 60GB model with a good 4GB space left. Alright so this doesn't leave much room for movies or music, but given the Xbox 360 will happily stream from iTunes, Media Player or iPod Touch/iPhone over WiFi (or network connections) as if the media was on the console itself, to me this isn't such a big issue.

While there are quite a few good titles for the Xbox 360 (good number are multi-platform) but honestly some of the best games are those on Xbox Live Arcade.

I'd also highly recommend that if you enjoy DarkBASIC or TorqueX then to check out Kodu, available for 400MSP from the Community Games Channel (soon to be Indie Games) as it's a nice game development package. Alright so it is quite basic in terms of what you can do, but it does let you're imagination run a little wild.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2009 15:47 Edited at: 24th Jul 2009 15:50
I don't suggest buying until actually some good games come out. And all those only decent games you get for X360 you can also buy for Windows. So yeah.. All games nowadays are such downfall, same goes for Consoles.

Quote: "PS3 is an amazing piece of hardware"

Well PS3 cell processor is good for doing advanced stuff like Raytracing and Physics. But it is slower than XBox processor for A.I
Tho the reason why most multiplat games for X360 and PS3 looks worse on PS3 is because of the GPU. It's awful.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2009 16:00 Edited at: 24th Jul 2009 16:04
Quote: "Well PS3 cell processor is good for doing advanced stuff like Raytracing and Physics. But it is slower than XBox processor for A.I"


I almost fell off my chair laughing. What the heck are you on about? More cores is better for AI as well as raytracying/physics! The only real disadvantage with the PS3 is that its memory bandwidth is utterly pathetic, to the point at which it is faster to access local memory via the GPU than directly.



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Posted: 24th Jul 2009 16:00
Quote: "And all those only decent games you get for X360 you can also buy for Windows. So yeah.. All games nowadays are such downfall, same goes for Consoles."



That's a matter of opinion. Only 3 of the games on the 360 I really enjoy and own are on the PC, 2 of which are terribly optimised for the PC. PC gaming can sometimes be a pain in the rear, it was one of my reasons for choosing a console in the first place and the games that are exclusive to the 360.


Quote: "Tho the reason why most multiplat games for X360 and PS3 looks worse on PS3 is because of the GPU. It's awful."


I didn't notice a difference between Far Cry 2 on both platforms. I think Mirror's Edge actually looked a little better on the PS3.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2009 16:05 Edited at: 24th Jul 2009 16:09
Quote: "I almost fell off my chair laughing. What the heck are you on about? More cores is better for AI as well as raytracying/physics! The only real disadvantage with the PS3 is that its memory bandwidth is utterly pathetic, to the point at which it is faster to access main memory via the GPU than directly."


Seeing Cell is really different architecture to other processors it executes different instructions faster than others. Actually Cell processor counts floating points faster, but X360 does better on lots of different Instructions.

Quote: "I didn't notice a difference between Far Cry 2 on both platforms. I think Mirror's Edge actually looked a little better on the PS3."


There is some cases its other way, it really depends on the game and the coders. But in Fallout 3 case, the resolution of textures was horrible.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2009 16:09 Edited at: 24th Jul 2009 16:12
Do you think there's instructions specifically for AI and physics or something? I can't imagine a situation in which a CPU could be so wildly different. AI is a very widely branching term and there's hundreds of different implementations of "AI". You can't generalise "AI" in this context. Seeing as a games *use* raycasts heavily for AI, physics and... raycasting, you sort of contradicted yourself.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2009 16:12 Edited at: 24th Jul 2009 16:13
Quote: "Do you think there's instructions specifically for AI and physics or something? I can't imagine a situation in which a CPU could be so wildly different. AI is a very widely branching term and there's hundreds of different implementations of "AI". You can't generalise "AI" in this context."


Then you should really look into Processors and programming for different plaftroms. Even into emulating. This is kinda same way as comparing some ARM processor to Pentium..

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Posted: 24th Jul 2009 16:16 Edited at: 24th Jul 2009 16:27
Processors can be very different, but not really in a way in which raycasting and physics would end up faster than AI in modern games.

What's the best way of detecting if something can see a player? A raycast.
What's the best way of detecting if the player is standing in the path of a light or not? (for stealth) A raycast.
What's the best way of raytracing? A raycast.
What's the best way of seeing if something has hit something else? A raycast.

An ARM is different in performance from a Pentium in a lot of situations because a lot of ARMs don't have FPUs. If the Cell doesn't have a FPU I'd be worried.

Oh, and the 360's CPU and the Cell are both based on the POWER architecture.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2009 16:19
Quote: "What's the best way of detecting if something can see a player? A raycast and distance check.
What's the best way of detecting if the player is standing in the path of a light or not? (for stealth) A raycast and distance check.
What's the best way of raycasting? A raycast.
What's the best way of seeing if something has hit something else? A raycast."


All these perform, bit faster in X360 than PS3 expection of the Floating point calculations. The difference is small, but it is there.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2009 16:21 Edited at: 24th Jul 2009 16:26
So the PS3 isn't faster at raycasting or physics? The last two examples were raytracing and physics respectively.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2009 16:23
Quote: "So the PS3 isn't faster at raycasting or physics? The last two examples were raycasting and physics respectively."


Physics = Lots of floating point calculations and formulas = Faster.
Raytracing, not raycasting. Raytracing is rendering method which is totally useless in games still nowadays.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2009 16:26
Quote: "Oh, and the 360's CPU and the Cell are both based on the POWER architecture.
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Yea, i remember reading a big article about how sony first went to IBM about the a new cpu idea (In a nutshell) Microsoft then went to IBM and used the plans.

I had 2 xbox 360's..and now i have none. I still have my playstation 3 though


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Posted: 24th Jul 2009 16:26 Edited at: 24th Jul 2009 16:28
But much of physics IS raycasting, is it not?

And I meant raytracing.

Look, if you can find any external source that explicitly declares a PS3 to be faster with physics and raytracing whilst the 360 is faster at AI, I'll believe you.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2009 16:33 Edited at: 24th Jul 2009 16:45
Quote: "But much of physics IS raycasting, is it not?"

Much of physics is also lots of floating point calculations.

Quote: "Oh, and the 360's CPU and the Cell are both based on the POWER architecture."

Yes it is, but it is not based on the 970 design (Which is processor X360 uses) so they are totally different architecture even it uses PowerPC instruction set.

Quote: "Look, if you can find any external source that explicitly declares a PS3 to be faster with physics and raytracing whilst the 360 is faster at AI, I'll believe you."

Whatever if you believe me or not. Also you get more info about Cell here. But you are right in one thing that i should not but AI in context. There is many types of AI that uses different approach of coding. Also i add here that if you got the idea that Cell is slower than X360 Processor then you got me wrong. It is not, it has 9 cores and it only performs on some things slower, but when correctly programmed and multi-threaded the PS3 processor will perform better. The downfalls are the GPU and Memory access like you said. The GPU is mostly to cut of the price IMO.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2009 16:36 Edited at: 24th Jul 2009 16:37
Since when was a raycast not a load of floating point calculations?

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Quote: "Here in the UK you can only purchase the 80GB Playstation 3, that also is the largest HDD that comes with the PS3. If you want more space you have to void the warrenty and swap it out."

Wait, what? You just have to unscrew like 2 screws, take the hdd out and insert new one (the laptop SATA one) no warranty voided. It even has an instruction for that in manual... -_-

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i wouldnt get an xbox 360 because i have a friend who has one and his has been messed up twice because the disk reader got pushed down by a disk

yeah im southern WATCHA GONNA DO BOUT IT?
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Eternal Sonata, Star Ocean, Gears of War 1 and 2, Halo series, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia, Castle Crashers, Braid, GTA San Andreas (XBOX, honestly didn't like IV), Fable II, Dead or Alive 4, Fusion Frenzy (XBOX), Bioshock + Oblivion pack, Fallout 3, Mass Effect, Viva Pinata, The Orange Box, Assassins Creed...

Oh, that's all you need, actually. You'll have games from every genre except sports and racing, for every occasion. And you'll be pretty much bankrupt. But it's worth it, believe me.


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lol just bought that the other day; its so silly but really fun to play with a couple friends, Worth the 1200ms points

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Posted: 26th Jul 2009 18:28
Quote: "i wouldnt get an xbox 360 because i have a friend who has one and his has been messed up twice because the disk reader got pushed down by a disk"

I've never even heard of that happening before. Microsoft has very good customer support (based off my experiences and my friends') and the 360 comes with a good warranty. If your xbox breaks just send it back in and you'll have a new one in a few weeks.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2009 19:19
Quote: "Microsoft has very good customer support"


Yer but it's still a pity they can't seem to design or redesign a console so it works.
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Posted: 26th Jul 2009 19:37
Don't forget that on August 11 we will get to download full games like Assassin's Creed, Bioshock, Mass Effect, etc. for $19.99. That's great for those of us who missed those games when they debuted

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Hmm, sounds awesome, I regret slightly that I traded in Bioshock and Assassin's Creed, $19.99 is a good price for each.

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Yeah, full game downloading service sounds good. Especially at budget prices like that .


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