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DarkFrost
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CoZ that would be great I always loved your version...and sry Coffee im on my 1000he now so i cant.

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coz! i thought you were gone from fpsc ! yay i missed you!

ps: can we see all the characters with your shader coz?

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@ASTEK: Haha!, Iv'e dealt with plenty of these posts in my time at this forum. Oh well, one more wont hurt!.
Quote: "I hav eno idea where you got the idea
we arent still working together."

Hmm, Maybe I got that Idea from the email you sent me a long time ago stating that your resigning from the team, and also the fact that I havent had any contact with you for about 8 months.

Quote: "i don't see who you're
helping and people can still use Corpse Eater 1, just not
commercial."

And who are you to tell people how they can and cant use someone else's model, even If you won it or not. Ultimately, the person who has the final say in this is Cheese Cake.

Quote: "why can I not just say,
"screw it all" and keep it for myself."

Because they arent your Models. Cheese cake made them,

Quote: "If you drop it now, you ca still have all rights like I do,
but if you want to start something... then I can just go back to
terms I had before you and me merged.
"

Now this made me laugh! I still can't barely stand without the aid of a chair! Firstly, I wouldnt listen to what you have to say anyway, because they arent your models. You own no original ownership over them. Won or not. Seccondly, I think you may be referring to the mystical terms in the sky, because I dont recall any.

Why dont you drop it eh?

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Posted: 24th Aug 2009 21:36
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Ughh hate when this happens i agree with many of the points both of you have made....altough the ultimate point was made by CoZ about how cheese cake has the ultimate decision over this.

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Quote: "Hmm, Maybe I got that Idea from the email you sent me a long time ago stating that your resigning from the team, and also the fact that I havent had any contact with you for about 8 months."




Quote: "And who are you to tell people how they can and cant use someone else's model, even If you won it or not. Ultimately, the person who has the final say in this is Cheese Cake."




Quote: "Because they arent your Models. Cheese cake made them."




I won't bother quoting the rest. Funny post, not quite as good as the alternative you sent me though

ASTEK: How can you go around telling me how someone elses model can and can't be used? Ultimately, it's CheeseCakes decision.

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Posted: 24th Aug 2009 21:42 Edited at: 1st Dec 2009 23:48
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Posted: 24th Aug 2009 21:45 Edited at: 24th Aug 2009 22:47
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@Cyclone: Personally, I cant see any valid point at all in ASTEK's argument. He is no longer part of the team (He told me that himself via email a long while ago), and he cannot tell other people how someone else's model can be used. It's just plain stupid. Also, CC stated himself that he forgot about the agreement.

Edited out Metaphor (As funny as Marc found it)

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Posted: 24th Aug 2009 21:48 Edited at: 24th Aug 2009 21:50
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COZ-
Quote: "If your mother became a prostitute, and earnt £300 an hour. Now lets just say that 5 years ago, I used to employ your mum to work for me, but then I retired. I then cant go back to your mum and tell people how she can or cant be used."


That's irrelovent. That and video games is a bad comparison.

Also, I didn't post here saying that I wanted them and stuff.
I talked to Cheese Cake, unaware that he released them yet,
asking for that small favor in reward for returning to him.

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@ASTEK: But the argument is the same. Just because there was an agreement a few years ago between me and you, It doesnt mean it holds up when you withdrew from the team etc. And besides, before now, many people are now using the corpse eater who I can think of.

Quote: "Your looking like a jerk right now"

Actually, the general opinion amongst my game dev MSN contacts is that you are the immature jerk. Considering you still have alot of growing up to do, I find your attitutre very rich, although Im not really bothered. You can have your opinion. I wont listen to it though.
If your leaving the team, thats fine with me because I have no time for game dev anymore anyway due to uni.

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Posted: 24th Aug 2009 21:52 Edited at: 24th Aug 2009 21:54
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The point is not if they're using it, its commercial use.
I don't care if they use it non-commercial.

I also said that you never read where I said I withdrew my statement. But the fact we're not on a team or on a team, means nothing. I will just accept that we aren't if thats what you want and I'll just go my merry way.

Also, Cheese Cake came back to me. So, in your point, my mum would
have to have gone back to you and in that case, anything can happen.

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Posted: 24th Aug 2009 21:55 Edited at: 24th Aug 2009 22:48
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Anyway, my work here is done. If anyone wants to contact me for stuff, nab me on MSN.

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Well i think CoZ and AStek, are a beautifull couple.


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Posted: 24th Aug 2009 21:58 Edited at: 1st Dec 2009 23:49
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Quote: "Actually, nah because she wasnt that good."


Haha. This thread is almost as good as...that one...a while back...can't remember the name :S

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Posted: 24th Aug 2009 22:04 Edited at: 24th Aug 2009 22:05
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Quote: "Mod action?"

First person to ban me gets free shaders for life!

But seriously, well done Cheese on these Models! And speaking of shaders, I look forward to making some stuff for the winner of the ultimate FPSC compo! I should have the stuff done before I go to Uni!


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First of all, I really hope this thread doesn't get locked on account of the two of you arguing over something that could/should have been dealt with over email; instead of you, CoZ, virtually bullying ASTEK over the fact that CheeseCake really did actually give him full permission to keep that character to himself. He told us all that.

Quote: "First person to ban me gets free shaders for life!"


Secondly, now I'm not one to generally speak out like this, but CoZ, c'mon man you have got to admit you are beginning to act a little immature here. Yes, because you're leaving the FPSC community, you can act however you like, you can go and say things that'll surely get you banned. But, why burn your bridges? Why not leave on a positive note, like your previous thread regarding your departure. It was a clean, happy (well, sad that you were leaving), but responsible, mature way of saying goodbye.
I just don't think it's fair to the people who want to stick around, like ASTEK, for you to conduct yourself in such a manner as you have, all simply because it doesn't matter to you. To some of us, it does matter. I really respected you around here CoZ, I really looked up to you, after Demon Sun and the zombie project you created, and the wonderful shaders you've produced.

I just thought, if you really considered the argument you've been having with ASTEK, you might also realize this isn't how you exactly want to leave the community. Or at least, you can't seriously want something like this to be tied with the event of your departue. I know you're a lot better than that.

Sorry, just wanted to air my two cents.

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CheeseCake, the characters are great the way they are, if you're unsure on how to fix the visible diamonds on their feet, and things like that it's totally understandable! They're all fantastic anyways, I'm still just excited you gave them all away

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@Braden 713: I fully agree with you, but I wanted to help you guys by giving you the model because, just in my opinion, Its selfish, and I thought you guys deserved some good media for your projects. Perhaps I was over the top, but Im not going to appologise to ASTEK because me and many people (such as Marc steenie etc) believe that the way ASTEK conducted his approach sounded very selfish, even if it wasnt meant in that way). I wasnt trying to double cross anyone as ASTEK put it, I was just giving something to you that I thought you deserved.

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Too be honest, yeah nice media is always definitely appreciated. I mean, I know I'd be appreciative! And if the version you have is the version I'm thinking of, then yes haha it would be awesome to have. I think, however, for the time being I'd say we just wait and see what the word is from CheeseCake himself. I'm sure he'll have something to say in all this, and we should, like you've been trying to say CoZ, leave it up to his final word since he is the owner of the models.

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Posted: 24th Aug 2009 23:29 Edited at: 24th Aug 2009 23:45
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That's one thing I've stated. The rest are good models and I am
going to use them. And, I'm not trying to be selfish,
like I've said before. The rest, I was okay with open use.
Me being selfish could have been accomplished a long time ago when
I actually had the idea to not give them to Cheese Cake.
BUT, I knew it was selfish and I was just hoarding them to myself.

I just want to ask that all people respect that I was honorable
and gave them over, BUT I did just want to have something to replace
the favor I had given.

I mean, the fat version are not so bad. I planned on using them too!
It's just, its funny how I didn't want to get marked as
selfish and yet somehow my honorable request was taken the wrong
way.

But, in short, no hard feelings to you COZ.
I guess we let Cheese Cake come into here and see what
happens from here.

Quote: "
won't bother quoting the rest. Funny post, not quite as good as the alternative you sent me though"


Then obviously he's talking behind my back about this?

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Guys sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought it was a different version that i send to CoZ.
So it was possible to upload them and use them in your games.

Anyway if Astek think its okey if CoZ (and if you still want to upload them seeing that you are leaving because of University and maybe lack of time)
than i guess its no problem.

Also sorry that things had to go this way between the two of you.

And guys sorry for bugs and such. I thought it would have been a success his pack.

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Quote: "Anyway if Astek think its okey if CoZ (and if you still want to upload them seeing that you are leaving because of University and maybe lack of time)
than i guess its no problem."


But I don't though. I just want the pack out that you uploaded.
If it needs a fix, then YOU fix it. COZ can keep his models to
himself.

I'm not demanding that you have to do anything but I'm just saying
that, concerning this pack, you do the uploading. Just you.

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Well guys, looks like there will be no fix.

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I dont even understand how there is a bug in this pack....i have not noticed anything.

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@ Cyclone - Do you not get the blue/tan diamonds on some of the characters' feet? Like the Corpse Eater 1 & 2?

And well, thanks for the free creatures CC, still appreciated. Have a great day

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Quote: "Do you not get the blue/tan diamonds on some of the characters' feet?"


I thought it was due to the blue grid he used on the textures, so I cleaned up the background of the texture. Now I get a semi-visible white square without the blue edges. Better, but I still can't tell where it's coming from on the texture.

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Well since Im now confused, I'm going to upload anyway, and If Cheese Cake objects (And ONLY Cheese Cake), then I shall remove the download.

CoZ's version of corpse eater
File includes:
- All _S, _N and _D2 textures (+ Original D2 texture)
- The original Corpse Eater Model
- My shader for use with the model

As far as I know, there are No commercial/Non commercial restrictions on my version. Just make sure you give credit to Mark Blosser (Cheese Cake). His work deserves to be cherished.

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Thanks,


lol wups i used the same name "corpse eater" for one of the models in my pack please dont sue i really did not realize it was taken at the time
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Thanks for the shader maps as well CoZ, saves me some precious time...

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Oh lord, let's hope this doesn't start a flame war of epic proportions, tamable only by the mods themselves

*Positions flame-retardant goggles on face*

It's surely appreciated though CoZ

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Posted: 25th Aug 2009 14:22 Edited at: 25th Aug 2009 14:33
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No, the same model I gave you, is what you uploaded.
So, in the same manner, that would gesture that I can now
take YOUR textures on DS, which I didn't create... like you
didn't create that model AND then upload them and say its free
use to anyone.

So, in that case, expect something like that if that's the game you
want to play.

Quote: "Okey guys! I got some SHOCKING news! Concerning the Corpse Eaters.
Astek just emailed me, asking if he could keep the model for himself.
(thas was part of the deal, but since that deal was a long time ago i completely forgot)
So the question is, if i can still upload the models but than the Corpse Eater variation 1 if i am right may not be used in commercial games.
Or if Astek wants the model for himself than i have to re-upload the whole pack.
I guess Astek will post with further details concerning this."


And the way he addressed it, hes already said something about it.
So, you went against his post saying that. It clearly states the
terms. You are uploaded the same thing and saying otherwise.

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@ASTEK: Right....just so you get it straight in your head, this is what Iv'e done:
*Ive uploaded the same model, but with a texture of mine. Granted.
*Ive included my shader for the character
*Iv'e included all the maps for my version of the texture.

So actually, Im just uploading a variant of the corspe eater, of which Im saying can be used for commercial use.

Quote: "can now
take YOUR textures on DS, which I didn't create... like you
didn't create that model AND then upload them and say its free
use to anyone. "

No, because Im not being a selfish prick and hogging a model for myself. But actually while your on the subject...Please do! Im sure the community would be greatful for my textures. The after you have uploaded them, Ill even put them in a rar archive for you!
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Touché...

@ASTEK

What project are you working on for these models? I really wanna see it...

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I just have to make a NoFX song spoof here: "Thats no way to go,ASTEK selfish,no way to go!"

CheeseCake: Open the .rar file that has your characters in it,go to texture bank and you will find a zombie soldier specular and bump map in there.I want a zombie soldier!

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CoZ, ASTEK, you've both ruined a thread with your arguments that could have been resolved by email, there'll be no more arguments here.



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Or..... dun dun dun you can use a chat room! [advertise]http://fps-files.com/chat/[/advertise]

But seriously, the argument really went out of hand and really took away the point to the thread.It was to show off Cheese Cakes pack, not have people argue over it.

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Please guys, don`t be pathetic.

@CoZ: Thanks for the upload, dude!

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@Nickydude: Appologies Nicky. I just wanted ASTEK to drop it and let me get on with what I wanted to do.

@Wolf: No problem dude. Im pleased we can finally get back to normal. And you may use the textures/shader with the corpse eater for commercial use.

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Thanks guys these are cool. Much appreciated.

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lol this was HILAREOS lol i agree with both of you in many ways. the end . its over (just like the sopranos) lol really cool characters cheesecake!

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@CoZ: Thanks mate, even though I won`t use it in a commerial project.

@CheeseCake: Yo! You allow me to create a retexture Pack for the characters?



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Hopefully this argument will break up. I don't want to start anything, but I do agree with COZ. He didn't do anything wrong. But please, no more posts about this.
Thanks for the upload COZ, very much appreciated.
Wolf: Your retextures are the best! I would love to see a retexture pack for these!
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@ Wolf - That would be superb man! Your textures are incredible; this will be quite the group of talents coming together in one pack. Bond1 bipeds + CheeseCake models + Wolf textures =

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I just checked out the textures. The UV Maps are pretty good, but the texture will be stretched a bit on the models. Thats why my first attempt on giving the Corpse Eater "a thousand eyes" failed.

I`ll definately use this guy in Missing in Action. Oh and Creator of Zombies: Your shader is awesome. (If I haven`t already written that)

If Cheese Cake allows me to upload a pack, it will contain 2 Versions for each character. (Don` know what I will change)

If you want to see my first 5 Minutes attempt that went wrong, see attached (Oh and yeah... Creepy little Ghost Girls rule )

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There's a whole load of polygons showing there, but it's cool that you retextured him to look like a zombie.
Hm... random little girl in the background?
Anyways looks nice, and hopefully you don't fail again, haha.
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Quote: "CoZ, ASTEK, you've both ruined a thread with your arguments that could have been resolved by email, there'll be no more arguments here."


He never reads his email, so that is out of the question.
And unless you made the model... you can't really say its commercial.

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That looks nice man, really curious to see how you retexture some of these creatures. Looking forward to seeing more

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where can i get the creepy little girl?! wait is it part of the pack (i have a mac so i cant open it)
and the character looked a little choppy? can we get a nother picture... with coz's shader? thanks

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Wolf of course! You can upload the texture variations.

djmaster, yeah i guess i know which texture you mean. Its for the Erebus.
When i first didnt knew how to name him. I just named him zombie soldier.

And i think i know what the little dot is what shows up beneath the mesh.
Its something to do with the Biped. I had to make the Biped invisible.
I forgot to do that.

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Posted: 27th Aug 2009 18:48
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Cool these are.


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