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Megaton Cat
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ok i installed XP 3 days ago and i would describe to you why i want it gone but the new db forums won't let me use bad langage. Does any one know how to remove it? I made a backup of win98(the one i had previously) and all i need to to remove xp. I did do wat the support page told me to and went to the "add/remove programs" options but win XP wasne't on the list.

would greatly appriciate if someone help me rid my pc of this demon

thanks

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LOL, FDISK? nah, just kiddin.

[EDIT} Boot from your Win98 CD and FDISK your harddrive, you will loose everything on it though.

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What's wrong with XP? Surely you don't want to go back to an OS that's 5 years old.

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He has every reason to want to leave it. IMO 98SE is the best Windows to use, period. I'd never switch to anything else.

You're gonna have to format-- back up your stuff and clear your drive. Then install 98 from CD.

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NT or 2000 is best, XP is better, 98 is ok and 95 is not

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XP is based on NT and 2000 though, just a tarted up frontend!

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yup which casues the problems.

I use XP, i got 2000Pro collecting dust and 3 98's and a 95. XP is my choice, i do mostly text editing for my job, PHPing, so i like a nice backdrop

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is there any way i can remove it with out clearing my hard drive?

thanks

p.s win98 second edition rules, xp can go to hell.

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Quote: "98SE is the best Windows to use"


95 is ok but old
2000 "rocks"! "yeah"! by far the best
NT4 had a cool splash screen
XP is 2000 or families
3.1 is just plain cool
OS2 was underrated

98SE is... let's let you decide...

I had until march this year a 2000 pro (now new xp pro), bwfore that a 75mhz 95 system, before that 3.1 .

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oh and the only reason I have a '98 laptop next to me is so I can play transport tycoon

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by far 2000 pro is the best MS OS, IMHO.

If you want to remove xp and put back 98 I don't think it's possible without blowing away the Hard drive - and if you installed XP to use NTFS partitions instead of FAT32 you're going to need some utils to get drive back to fat32 for win98

I dual boot my machine with 98 and 2000pro, 1 for gaming, 1 for all else.

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megaton, it is a long winded process but if you have an old spare IDE HD, you could install it as a temporary measure onto your secondary IDE interface and format that as (FAT32) just to copy your programs and mail files to it. Then format the primary harddrive before installing 98. Or burn the necessary files to a CD. Either case, you're gonna need to format the drive unless you have something like Partition Magic to convert the drive back to FAT32. If you do this, it will most likely render your System unbootable as I'm not sure of how XP will behave.

Not a very friendly way to uninstall the system but my first suggestion is most probably the best one.

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dang it. I should have listened to all the warnings i got. I want win 98 back so much!!

stupid microsoft ruined my life. Any way cant make my post too long cause win xp decides for some reason to restart every 10 min or so. Then take even longer then that to start up.

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megaton, you have the Blaster Worm virus if your machine is restarting!!!!!

[EDIT] The symptoms of the virus are to shutdown XP or W2K without warning. It's file size is 1234. Are you getting Exception dialogs on RPCHost or similar?

You need to install the new Microsft Security update and virus check your machine with a latest virus signature file.

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RPC??? exception dialogs?? noooooooooooooooooo. Never thought i would get that thing. Thats another reason i want to rid that horrible thing. Although i have no idea wat FDISK is.

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megaton, FDISK is an application on your Win98 cd when booted into command line mode that allows you to completely remove the partitions allocated on your harddrive.

Can I assume that you have the virus then?

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yes.
thanks for the help. I'll try it soon after I copy some stuff I need.

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At least it'll save you having to format and re-install again. The security fix and virus check should make XP stable again.

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i saw some where in the help documents that u can have more then one OS on ur system and chose between them when u start your pc. Is it possible to do that in my situation?

thnaks

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Not really since you've already partitioned your drive. If you can resize the primary partition then yes but you would still need to move the XP partition since Win98 and DOS for example will only start from a primary partition and not logical ones. You really need something like Partition Magic. I'm sure there is a system utility under XP that can allow you do resize and move your XP partition but I don't use XP so someone else would need to guide you through this process. Believe me, if you're not sure about these things, they are best left well alone.

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You can dual boot your system like I do (98 & 2000 pro) but there are some rules. If your going to use 98 and xp you should get 2 physical hard drives. Win 98 has to be first (on drive C) If xp is like 2000 the boot area can't exist on disk higher than 8 gigs so if you use 1 drive you can only make the C partition 8 gigs (thus limiting 98 to 8 gigs) and then the rest for XP. I found this out when I bought a 60 gig drive with the intention of dual booting 98/2000 30g/30g - no good. So I set up a 20g as C and the 60g as D.
Then you should blow away both drives and format/partition as FAT32.
Then install 98 on C, when done and all ok insert xp disk while running 98 and follow choices from there to setup but read carefully
because there is a checkbox in one of those dialogs that lets you have control of where xp will be installed -make sure you find this and set it to other drive (D)

the rest is pretty straight forward.
maybe XP will be different as a dual boot but this is what I remember from doing my 98/2000 setup about a year and a half ago

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Back on topic here. How can you get rid of Windows XP?

Well, that's easy. First you need to find yourself a live chicken, a virgin, a goat and a fullmoon day without any clouds. At the stroke of twelve you have to go down to the cemetary. Bring the chicken, the goat and the maiden with you, and a pack of Cuban cigars and a bottle of Rum.

At the exact stroke of midnight you have to dance three times around the most freshly dug grave, and each circle should take exactly one minute. After the dance you must plant the cuban cigars in the dirt, and pour the rum over it while praying to the voodoo deities. When the dead rise, you must give him the chicken, the goat and the maiden, as well as your EULA -- which must be wrapped in the locks of the maiden.

Then you must spit three times at the dead, and when the dead person leaves with the chicken, the goat and the maiden you must dance around the grave again. This time in the OPPOSITE direction from before, and again each lap must take EXACTLY one minute.

When you've done that, you'll see that Windows XP is truly and finally gone.

What? Be serious? You must be joking.

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I use XP, the only trouble I've had with it is trying to play old DOS games.


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Hence, the ressurection of Win98.

MicroMan, U on Drugs or wot??!!! ROFL

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no microman, thats to get rid of a mac OS. I need win xp. And cattlerustler, i never heard of anyone having 2 hardrives in their computer. How do u switch between the 2 of them?

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Quote: "stupid microsoft ruined my life. Any way cant make my post too long cause win xp decides for some reason to restart every 10 min or so. Then take even longer then that to start up."


when you get the restart message, go to start -> run -> and type "shutdown -a" to abort the shutdown and then you get rid of the worm

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@APEXNow

I'm not on drugs. I'm dead serious.

@Megaton

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stupid microsoft ruined my life. Any way cant make my post too long cause win xp decides for some reason to restart every 10 min or so. Then take even longer then that to start up.
"


That doesn't actually sound like an XP problem. Get a program called MEMTEST off downloads.com or something. It sounds like you have flaky RAM. It happened to me, and it took ages for me to discover it because at the time I had Windows Me -- and we all know how that OS is. It got so bad I got a response from Microsoft (I wrote them to complain) offering their condoleances. And no, it came bundled with my machine, so I didn't go out and buy the *!"#"! thing.

But I had a bank of flaky RAM and my computer crashed every ten minutes or so.

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megaton,

Quote: "no microman, thats to get rid of a mac OS. I need win xp. And cattlerustler, i never heard of anyone having 2 hardrives in their computer. How do u switch between the 2 of them?
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I can see that we are not completely literate in this department. Well... Most machines these days have, not one, but two IDE sockets on your mother board for which CD-ROM, HardDrives, CD-RW etc can be connected to. Each IDE socket can maintain two peripherals, i.e. Two hard Drives, one HD and one CD-ROM, or two CD-ROMS, what ever combination is required.

Each device on one IDE socket has two states, either a Master drive, or a slave drive. So, you could have two HDs in your machine, one configured as master and the other configured as slave. Or you could have one DVD drive and one CD-RW(CDROM Writer), configured as Master and slave respectively. As far as your computer is concerned, each drive is assigned a designated drive letter, and also depending on the number of partitions per hard drive.

So. First hard drive could have a primary partition (C), and two logical partitions (D and E)

Your second hard drive could have a primary partition (F) and three logical partitions (G, H and I) this is purely hypothetical but as far as you are concerned, you're just accessing drives via their designated letters. These two drives are connected to your Primary IDE socket. You could also have a DVD and a CD-RW on the second IDE socket configured as Master and Slave also. Based on the above drive letter specification, both CD drives would be assigned letters J and K.

IDE sockets are not just the types of sockets available for devices like Hard drives or CD-ROMS, you could have SCSI devices or RAID--( Which I'm not familiar with other than that it is extremely cool for hard drive failure recovery), but IDE is common for most (HOME) PCs.

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lol thanks
oh and i got rid of the worm, just had to set up a firewall. I think maybe ill keep xp and just try to improve it. e.g update my sound and video drivers to be xp compatible. And having to run my dos emulators and games of a boot disk every time does suck, but oh well.

thanks for the help

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The fact that DOS games ran on OSes like me showed how old their ore is - literally there were graphical shells for DOS.

Having been on NT all my life I'm happy with xp and if I want to play dos games I move my chair 60cm to the left and switch on the laptop with 98 on

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60 cm??
how do u manage.
yea but xp is just too annoying when it comes to runnig dos. I mean i have to wait till my slow ass pc restars(cause i run it of boot disks), play 5 min of Sonic on my genesis emulator, and then have to wait while it restarts again. Back in win98 this was just one stupid clik away.

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Yeah, DOS is a royal pain with XP. I'm not going to upgrade until I have a system to play all my old games on that I'm quite happy with.

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megaton, LOL... erm, do you own the original ROMS?? j/k!

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I always thought you removed XP with something like Norton antivirus , it always detected it and removed it for me anyway

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Quote: "60 cm??
how do u manage. "


With a wheelie chair and a lot of willpower.

If I try hard enough, I can code and play transport tycoon at the same time.

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Quote: "win98 second edition rules, xp can go to hell."
XP IS THE BEST!

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@apex:err..own the games? emm...yea..yea i own em.


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"How-to:"

It depends . . . if you converted to the NTFS, you're screwed. You'll have to FDISK and then re-install 98.

If you did not convert the file system, there should be an uninstall option. It may be in the Add/Remove Programs Panel.

. . .

"My OS is better than your OS"

If you gut a lot of the BS from XP, it actually runs a little better than 2000. Almost all of the XP problems stem from the additional services. I'd recommend finding a good website, and determining which services you can kill.

After a lot of picking and sticking, I found that the appearance setup for XP does not diminish the performance.

Be careful when removing services. It is better to remove them the admin control panels than thru msconfig. You need to thoroughly check dependencies.

Services to definitely remove for a basic home system:

IIS or Indexing Service
Background Transaction
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Windows Time (I actually HAD to remove this, as it caused trouble)
Auto Update

Then go to start-up and start gutting things -- especially crap like the AOL and MSN start-ups.

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Get rid of XP do the following:

1) Remove Hard drive from PC
2) Build large electromagnet
3) Power up magnet
4) place hd on magnet, label side down until golden, yet tender
5) flip hd over for additional 2 minutes
6) Get cast iron skillet, place hd & magnet assembly into skillet
7) place lot in oven and bake at 425 for 10 minutes
8) serve and enjoy

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My computer has two hard drives, don't know how to use the second one though, lol

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I use XP and have no problems with it, i really like it. But maybe thats just because i was using ME before this.
i dunno..

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Quote: "1) Remove Hard drive from PC
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5) flip hd over for additional 2 minutes
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8) serve and enjoy"


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to get rid of xp you will have to form some sort of underground militant group, i like to call them pirates . Then bomb all the microsoft buildings, then produce a better operating system that doesnt try and corner the global market and release it for free. and maybe then you will dent xp.


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