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Lemonade
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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 01:02
Now, I don't want to start another Mac vs PC war, but I found this article too good to not share:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=10209

I don't know if everything he states is true, but I agree with just about everything he says. I do think the graphic is a bit cruel...

But he makes a point. Several points, in fact.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 01:29
Flaaaaaaaaame-bait!

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He keeps ranting about Jobs' arrogance, but I never saw any evidence in that huge rant(that's all it was) stating WHY he was arrogant. Oh no, he made things look cool and thought it was cool that his computer looked cool. Uh, so what. Apple does tend to put a lot more effort into the visual design of a product than most companies. It's not arrogant to be proud of that.

At this point is a mac better than pc? I say they're equal in terms of hardware and available software, the only defining difference is personal taste in aesthetics and UI. Does Mac OS tend to be more stable? Probably, but remember Apple only has to worry about stability for a much smaller range of hardware due to controlling the motherboards and chipsets in their machines.

You also can't deny Apple is very inventive and has created huge industry. Microsoft really put the computer into every home, it's hard to argue otherwise. And you may not think iTunes is all that great, but look what became of it. Buying digital copies of music had never been so popular. The iPod really jumped the market for MP3 players. And iPhone raised the bar for every manufacturer in the smartphone market. You can argue all you want whether Apple's products are the best or not or if they're worth the price, but Apple has created markets and pushed new technologies to bigger heights. Does Jobs have a right to be proud of that? He certainly does and I don't see any arrogance in that.

That article seemed mostly a rant from an angry apple-hater, or at least a fanboy hater.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 02:25 Edited at: 11th Sep 2009 02:58
I admit that he did take his argument to the extreme. However, he didn't say he hates the current Apple technology. What he said is that he is unwilling to buy from Apple due to their (and\or Steve Job's) questionable dealings in the past which have limited his trust in the company.

I agree with most of your post, but you leave out vital pieces of information, such as the price differentiation\lack of native software support. While I agree that that is a smaller problem today than it was in the past, it is still an issue, and especially in businesses. It's true that you can run Windows on a Mac, but like it stated in the article, if you're going to do that, then why not just buy a PC for a much cheaper price?

The fact is, I'm sure the Mac--by itself--is a good machine. I have used an iMac for several months and didn't have any issues with the OS itself. However, my lack of trust in the company (and what they may do in the future), combined with the cost, lack of support, and other issues have left me with no reason to buy a Mac. Seriously, if you were me, why would you buy one? For graphic design\video editing? I can do that just fine in Windows 7. The question to consider is this: is there anything significant that a Mac has that a PC does not, and is this enough to counterbalance what it doesn't have?

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I don't expect you to agree, but I guess that doesn't matter...

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I don't consider Microsoft to be perfect either, but at least (IMO) Windows has more to offer for what I pay.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 02:55
I'm no Mac user, that's for sure, Lemonade. But you can't take your own personal preference and call it law.

This thread will turn into what any other Mac-vs-Pc thread has always turned into, a war of personal opinions attempting to take the form of fact.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 02:57
I'm not calling it law. I'm simply stating my own opinion + the facts. And this thread does NOT have to turn into a flame war. If people can talk in a civilized manner over their differences then we won't have an issue.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 03:01
What is there to talk about? All this has been discussed a gazillion times before, and the same result every time. Fact or opinion, it will still be the same. If you want to read discussions about this, use the search function.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 03:05
If you don't have anything constructive and relevant to add to this discussion, please don't post. If we all just forgot our problems because we have already discussed them, then nothing would ever be solved. If I was programming and hit a bug, tried to solve it but failed, should I give up? Of course not.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 03:08 Edited at: 11th Sep 2009 03:09
Oh I'm sorry, I'll leave. Please go ahead and try to solve this "problem", i.e., deciding what hardware and OS other people should use yourself. This "problem" is very serious I can see.

I won't post again.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 03:12 Edited at: 11th Sep 2009 03:13
Do you two know each other outside of the forum?

Its just that your IPs are identical, and I would hate to think you are arguing with yourself.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 03:14
Unfortunately, yes...which is why he was spamming my thread. Sorry about that.

Maybe now we can get back to the topic.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 03:16 Edited at: 11th Sep 2009 03:18
Sibling Rivalry?

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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 03:21
Hehe...correct again.

Could you maybe delete those posts, starting with the first one from UncleSam?

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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 03:54
That would be unconstitutional.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 04:25
Quote: "That would be unconstitutional."

TGC is based in the UK .



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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 05:47
That would be against the AUP.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 06:33
You know what I realized, I think programmers are (or should be) above the whole Mac vs Windows argument. A consumer will have to wonder, "will this one let me do [something] more than this one?" but a programmer is going to do what he wants regardless of the system.

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Microsoft Indoctrinates Best Buy Employees against Macs

Hah, this should really stir the bees nest then

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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 10:09
I could never get behind the Mac vs PC argument, it just seems a bit pointless, like deciding on a favorite nostril. Maybe I'm just an old vet from the 80's Speccy v C64 wars, we lost a lot of good men, it's why I have my 20 yard stare. I remember arguing over this stuff, and flip flopping as soon as I got a C64, because it was school yard stuff and seems to me that little has changed. The ST v Amiga wars were quite sad, because we weren't defending our favorite platform, we were fighting for survival against the PC and console market. We should have stuck together and preserved 16-bit's longer.

I think I know what it boils down to though is that I'm bitter because modern computing has left me in the cold. If I was to shop for a new computer, with no bias towards PC or Mac, then I probably wouldn't be too bothered by either of them. Sitting side by side they are fairly similar, there's no real way to compare speed easily because standardised hardware has gone the way of the Dodo, and games are rarely made for both systems, and even then what do you compare to what?. Our computers used to be Charles Bronson and Chuck Norris, now they are Paris and Nicole, covered in chavvy GUI's and media players.

The industry for me has been like a long race, and the first 100 feet of this race are at 300mph, and the remaining 5000 feet are at 15mph. The C64 and Speccy barged their way into my life and I instantly fell in love, then the ST arrived and owning one became a priority. The PC had a big impact too of course, but that was 15 years ago or something - in the space of just a few years we went from the Speccy to the ST and Amiga, a huge jump. It just seems that the PC has practically stopped dead in comparison.

If they were to make a techy Mac then I might want one, because they are neat and well designed machines - but if they made one that I didn't have the urge to clean after every use, then I might be more inclined to spend money on one. Does anyone remember when you'd go and buy a computer and got a programming language with it! - imagine that!, a standard programming language. Apple and M$ both have an excellent vantage to do this, but they don't because they are not trying to sell me a computer, they don't have to, I have 5. They only have to sell computers to technically backward people who need everything pretty and shiny so it grabs their attention, which is why everything has the same look, ohh translucent drop shadowed boiled sweets look so good on a GUI...

It's great though, because instead of a feature, we can have a blurry translucent bit where a useful feature could be left lying. GUI's should concentrate on being functional, fast and neat looking, they don't have to go to these lengths - I'd rather see a neat and compact GUI, allowing me to fit more on my screen.

I recently had dealings with a shiny new Mac, and came away completely underwhelmed. Mac fanboys seem to think that anyone they show a Mac to will either fall in love with it or they are an idiot. In situations like that I tend to play the 'I've forgotten more about computers than you will ever know' card. Incidentally, I was installing software on the mac and setting up the network so that it could... remote control a desktop PC 2 feet away. Yeah those marketting guys and their Mac's really know their stuff, I'm off to distract them with some bits of tinfoil and some glass beads... ohhh! user friendly!.

I really didn't mean to rant like that - ohh well nobody will read it anyway. Maybe I'll print this out and give it to people when they ask if they can have a mac, they might decide not to bother asking me if they read that first.


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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 10:19 Edited at: 11th Sep 2009 10:21
Quote: "You know what I realized, I think programmers are (or should be) above the whole Mac vs Windows argument. A consumer will have to wonder, "will this one let me do [something] more than this one?" but a programmer is going to do what he wants regardless of the system."


Possibly, but still, there is the cost to consider.

Quote: "Microsoft Indoctrinates Best Buy Employees against Macs

Hah, this should really stir the bees nest then "


Wow, what an unbiased article. Apple Insider.

However, the article did admit that a PC can be built with the same performance as another mac for $300 less. It also said the cost was made up by going in for repairs\assistance, but really, how often does a new computer break down? And how many people are going to pay that much for a repair? Not me, I'll fix it myself. And usually, computers that break down are old enough to be replaced anyway.

Also, it says that Mac buyers are more secure because they don't have to worry about getting a bad system. What a bogus argument! If a customer buys an old computer with broken parts, he not only pays less, but he also must have been very stupid.

Again, the article says that Microsoft forgot that a Mac can run BootCamp. How hypocritical, because the article forgot to mention how much more you'll pay to run windows! It defeats the purpose of owning a Mac.

Microsoft did go too far, but most (if not all) of their points were valid, even when they did twist the information a bit to make a point.

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Quote: "Again, the article says that Microsoft forgot that a Mac can run BootCamp. How hypocritical, because the article forgot to mention how much more you'll pay to run windows! It defeats the purpose of owning a Mac."


Actually it means you get the best of both worlds. You might find you need something on Windows and need something on Mac OS, for example, I was developing an application for Mac, yet I also wanted to market for Windows - I could rebuild my app in Windows and test it without having a second computer, or vice versa, a Windows app that I want to run on Macs too.

But you don't trust Mac because of their dealings in the past, but lets be honest a good number of countries don't necessarily have a great history and you may still buy their products and they've probably trampled on companies to get where they are, even Microsoft. Microsoft's recent dealing with Caligari has left their company falling apart and they ended up having to release TrueSpace 7 for free.

Quote: "Also, it says that Mac buyers are more secure because they don't have to worry about getting a bad system. What a bogus argument! If a customer buys an old computer with broken parts, he not only pays less, but he also must have been very stupid."


Not really, I'm the only person in the house who pays £50 a year (though this time round, I managed to pay £25) on internet security, because I don't like or trust the freebies and without internet security and because I'm the only PC user, all of the trojans that tried to attack my computer, would have been capable. I used to have a lot of problems when it came to security. Of course, a smart PC user can avoid compromising their security. It's not entirely a bogus argument.


I enjoy using Windows, but if I had a choice, I'd go back and I would have chosen a Mac the same price as my PC - I originally chose my PC for power a year ago, and it delivered, but I could have gotten the best of both worlds for the same price - I actually prefer MacOS' design and how the operating system is laid out and like some of the MacOS exclusive apps, sure it would have been lower spec (less RAM, lesser Graphics card), yes, but that doesn't make much of a difference, because I don't use the full power of my PC anymore for the following reasons: poor optimisation on PC games, I have a console to play with and I find now that newer games make my laptop overheat, like the Batman-Arkham Asylum demo, Fallout 3 isn't entirely smooth on the PC and The Last Remnant isn't too great (I have to play on its lowest settings, even then it isn't comfortable), Mass Effect was just a disaster - and they are all games I can play on the 360.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 14:39 Edited at: 11th Sep 2009 14:46
Wow, all this hatred of a high cost product - jealousy really riles some people up it would seem

Quote: "You know what I realized, I think programmers are (or should be) above the whole Mac vs Windows argument."


Amen to that. It is, at the end of the day, a machine: and you should buy the one that fits your needs, not the one that bows to the preconceived opinions of the "crowd"

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Quote: "but at least (IMO) Windows has more to offer for what I pay."


You realise OS X always is (and pretty much always has been) cheaper than Windows, right?

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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 15:15
Quote: "You realise OS X always is (and pretty much always has been) cheaper than Windows, right?"


I'm sure his argument still stands.
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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 15:21 Edited at: 11th Sep 2009 15:26
Quote: "I'm sure his argument still stands."


Care to elaborate as to why? Considering both OSes do practically identical things in terms of 'value' - they run other applications and have a few bundled extras (combined with the fact Windows has been aping OS X recently any way) I don't consider his argument particularly valid at all given the higher initial cost of Windows

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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 15:33 Edited at: 11th Sep 2009 15:36
Quote: "combined with the fact Windows has been aping OS X recently any way"


So true. I wish they'd stop spoiling Windows to make it compete with the initial "wow" factor of OS X...



Though Windows 1.0 did have something resembling the SuperBar, it's far inferior to the Task Bar. The Dock'd be pretty good if it would sit on the bottom of the screen and not ~16px above it and running apps were kept apart from non running apps.

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Quote: "Care to elaborate as to why?"

Well maybe he's a gamer? In which case OS X would be completely useless to him unless there's some crappy clone of Windows' minesweeper game.
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Quote: "Well maybe he's a gamer? In which case OS X would be completely useless to him unless there's some crappy clone of Windows' minesweeper game."


If he's a gamer, then his games "offer" more, not Windows itself. Either OS is completely useless for that purpose without additional purchases

Also, it seems most people are intent on just dwelling in ignorance and laughing it up, rather than looking at the platform (OS X) itself - there are loads of (mainstream) games available for it. Heck, even Starcraft II is going to be dual-platform with Win/OS X on release (presumably using Cider's tech). Besides, if games are the only pivotal reason behind an OS decision, maybe being a console-tard would be a better choice (considering practically all games are on consoles these days any way)

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Quote: "Either OS is completely useless for that purpose without additional purchases"


As are the games without Windows.
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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 19:53 Edited at: 11th Sep 2009 19:56
Well all we can do is go by personal experience.

I bought a Mac Mini and thought I'm a good candidate for the apparent throngs of people who switch and never go back to PC. Do those people actually exist?

I spent months making my iPhone game and wrestling with the OS. Friendly? Windows 7 is much friendlier than OSX in my opinion. Easy to use? As for the fact that the icons are laid out nice? Sure. But once I want to dig deep I would run into dead ends, like trying to get my generic webcam to work. On Windows 7 "it just worked" (funny, as that's the Apple mantra, isn't it?) I didn't even have to install drivers, and this cam is no-name, but on the Mac I was told to install 3rd party drivers which never worked anyways. "It just (doesn't) work".

Compatibility? Not unless I want to install boot camp and run Windows apps inside of my OSX. Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of getting a Mac? Hello, I prefer practicality over sexy. And yes, I think Windows 7 is sexier than OSX anyways. I couldn't even find a good free text editor! Almost everything I searched for as alternatives to the PC apps I use (document diff'er, text editor, MP3 player, SVN client, etc.) are only offered as commercial apps. I can probably find emacs for free and go into the terminal, but why wouldn't I just install Linux for a good command line OS??

I'm confused.

I released my iPhone game and haven't had the need or desire to turn the Mac on again.

Even if I were to get into graphic design, photo manipulation, and video editing, I would STILL use Windows 7 as my OS of choice. I really think it's a left-brain/right-brain problem, because I just don't see the usefulness IN MY OWN OPINION.

The only thing I felt was more like a hipster when I turned it on. I guess that's... ok??

Yes that was a rant


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Posted: 11th Sep 2009 21:19
Quote: "text editor"


There is TextEdit but it's a seriously annoying program if you don't want to write a letter, etc.

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Quote: "Microsoft Indoctrinates Best Buy Employees against Macs"


My experience with Best Buy has been exactly the opposite, I remember overhearing one sales associate trying to sell a Mac to some students over a PC on the bases that it's "just easier to use." I wanted to turn and say something but alas, I just wanted my headphones.

Quote: "Amen to that. It is, at the end of the day, a machine: and you should buy the one that fits your needs, not the one that bows to the preconceived opinions of the "crowd""


Well, I was trying to say that either one is going to do the job for a developer, but from what Jeku is saying, it looks like Mac's aren't too dev friendly. I found that to be true on my school computers (AppleScript, Objective-C... grr), but I was hoping that on the newer machines that wouldn't be the case.

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Quote: "I have a console to play with and I find now that newer games make my laptop overheat, like the Batman-Arkham Asylum demo, Fallout 3 isn't entirely smooth on the PC and The Last Remnant isn't too great (I have to play on its lowest settings, even then it isn't comfortable), Mass Effect was just a disaster - and they are all games I can play on the 360."


I too, have a 360, but that doesn't stop me from playing games such as Battlefield 2 when I'm in the mood. Also, I am unable to play FPS games on the 360 without a mouse...but anyway, sometimes a console isn't enough, and you'll need a good machine to run intensive games like BF2.

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Amen to that. It is, at the end of the day, a machine: and you should buy the one that fits your needs, not the one that bows to the preconceived opinions of the "crowd""


Exactly my thinking...

Quote: "Compatibility? Not unless I want to install boot camp and run Windows apps inside of my OSX. Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of getting a Mac?"


Yeah, and I find it funny how Apple advertises that Windows can run on a Mac. Even worse, they show a picture of Windows Vista...

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Quote: "Well all we can do is go by personal experience."


Ah, the main reason I discredited the creation of this thread in the first place.

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Quote: "Windows 7 is much friendlier than OSX in my opinion"

That's a hard one to debate. Many people who are new to Mac have probably been using Windows for quite some time. Therefore you're going to feel more comfortable, knowingly or not, with a Microsoft-designed UI. It's a different interface and it's unfamiliar, there will be a learning curve.

Quote: "You realise OS X always is (and pretty much always has been) cheaper than Windows, right?"

Prices from Amazon:
Leopard - $190
Snow Leopard upgrade - $29
Vista - $120-$170 (depending on which version)
Win 7 - $200-$320

I really think MS needs to stop making a dozen versions for each OS. If you want Windows in a different language than default, you have to buy Ultimate ($300). Need to join a domain or run XP-compatible software? That's Professional version. What does Home do for $200? Looks pretty.

Quote: " because instead of a feature, we can have a blurry translucent bit where a useful feature could be left lying. GUI's should concentrate on being functional, fast and neat looking,"

I agree completely. It makes me thing of something I read about web designing. Don't make your information fit your design, design to fit the needs of the information and data. I think both Apple and Microsoft need to evaluate that rule.

The whole argument that Mac is for more for graphics and multimedia, frankly Windows can do just the same. And Mac will run on AD server in a corporate setting no problem. The biggest difference is which GUI you prefer to use, and supported software is a minor issue only because most can be found on both Mac and Windows; with some exceptions.

Quote: "There is TextEdit but it's a seriously annoying program if you don't want to write a letter, etc."

Give Coda a try. Although, I really do wish some kind soul would port Notepad++ to Mac cause it's the best.


For me, Windows has a better file explorer and I like their networking better than Mac because Mac tries to hide too much from me I think. Good for dumb people, bad for smart people. But I like the fact Mac doesn't need a messy registry and that its file system doesn't need defragged ever because it handles file fragments on the spot during file operations (so i've heard).

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Posted: 12th Sep 2009 08:58
Oooh a Mac vs PC thread. I should probably preface this with a disclaimer: I'm browsing on my Macbook Pro right now--BUT I'm on my XP partition for playing with DarkGDK.

I'll quote this too:
Quote: "Amen to that. It is, at the end of the day, a machine: and you should buy the one that fits your needs, not the one that bows to the preconceived opinions of the "crowd""

Simply because I find little significant differences between all these operating systems. At my software engineering internship this summer we had to wait for PCs to come in and the IT guy for our room to install RedHat on them, so in the meantime we decided to write part of the solution in Java (everyone gets a PC with XP Pro in their cube automatically) then migrate the code over to our Linux workstations once they were good to go. Simultaneously, other members of the project had to wait for Sun Workstations with Solaris 10 on them--and in the meantime wrote part of their solution in Visual C++ Express 2008 with macros that would easily let them switch from WinSock to Berkeley sockets once the Sun machines came in (they were writing code for a real-time system that HAD to conform to C99).

So, in the end, you can get the same thing done with whatever you have available. However, I jumped for a Mac because although you can produce music just fine on a Windows machine, I've found that there is a certain advantage that Macs provide to musicians.

First, the "it just works" mantra worked for my midi keyboard. I connected my Korg X50 to my macbook via USB, and the Audio/MIDI Setup utility automatically recognized that a Korg X50 had just been plugged into the USB port and I could start using it with MIDI applications right away. XP Home, on the other hand, required a slog through Korg's website looking for drivers. A minor nuisance, but still nice.

Furthermore, the Audio/MIDI Setup utility is a really easy and quick way to adjust global settings for ALL of your music production programs. Also, I have a Digidesign Mbox, and being able to visually connect the Mbox to an older MIDI keyboard without USB, then send a test byte down the line both ways without having to open up Pro Tools or Sibelius was quite nice. I also went and bought the academic version of Logic Studio ($150, schweet deal) simply because the sheer amount of stuff you get with it is amazing. Pro Tools is still the best for recording and sample-smoothing editing, but the fact that Logic came with 40 gigs worth of samples and virtual instruments was a dream come true. I'm tempted to move my recording over to Logic because I simply don't want to pay for the plugins for Pro Tools.


That being said though . . . it's not all good. I've tried to learn Objective-C and it does seem a little counter-intuitive. And maybe it's just me (or Microsoft spoiling me with Visual Studio 2008), but Xcode is a real pain to use. For Mac, I've given up on Obj-C, and really C++ too, in favor of Java. NetBeans is a wonderful IDE. In fact, the rare occasion I do feel like writing a console C++ program, I'll usually do it in NetBeans or Eclipse CDT. Really though, I can't express enough how much I've grown to love Java in the past few months.

Quote: ". . . on the Mac I was told to install 3rd party drivers which never worked anyways. "It just (doesn't) work"."

I ran into a similar problem. There are virtually no external USB numpads that work with a Mac. Step-input on Sibelius revolves around the numpad, so it's vital for me. I had to go hunting on Amazon until I found a numpad by Genovation that would somehow work with Apple's default drivers.

Quote: "It's great though, because instead of a feature, we can have a blurry translucent bit where a useful feature could be left lying. GUI's should concentrate on being functional, fast and neat looking, they don't have to go to these lengths - I'd rather see a neat and compact GUI, allowing me to fit more on my screen."

I'm with you there VanB--my dock is shrunken and hidden lest it decide to start magnifying icons when I'm in the middle of a painfully precise edit. It's just painful and unnecessary--I ended up just installing an app called Butler that gives you what is essentially a Vista-like run menu. It's just faster to type Alt-Space, ff, Enter to open up Firefox rather than move away from the keyboard, pull the dock up, mozy over to the Firefox icon, and click. Although, I do find Expose extraordinarily useful for managing my workspace.



In the end, I find that Mac and Unix(BSD, Solaris, etc.) and Linux are so obviously similar that the argument of Mac's viability isn't even worth it. OS X really ticks me off sometimes (especially Finder), but in the end I like it because I found Logic Studio's interface and value too good to pass up, and because it's BSD I can still be a power user via the Terminal (Go go MacPorts). As soon as I can afford a copy of Windows 7 though, I'm totally bootcamping that--it looks fantastic.

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