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Yian
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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 00:15
If say you have a mp3 file or an image file which is copyrighted, and then u convert it to another format, then strictly speaking it will change, due to the different format and so it will be a different file, with no copyright right?

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 00:22
No idea though if you pick up harry potter and translate it into latvian then it's still harry potter so you could be sued for selling it.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 00:27
i know but that is completely different

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if the file ITSELF is copyrighted, such as a texture from UT2K3, then no, you can't do that.

however your question is somewhat ambiguous as the MP3 format itself is also copyrighted. so if you took an MP3 from a game.. wow, double trouble?

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 00:38
could you explain a bit more please is that because copyright=you're not allowed to even change the thing?

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 01:14

Try and think of it from the creators point of view. You spend a zillion hours, or 2 minutes, creating something for use with something X. Some dude comes along and changes the format, and uses that content (which was the "work/creative" part) in something Y, should the original creator of said item be pissed, uh, yaah.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 01:18 Edited at: 28th Aug 2003 01:19
i know but that is completely different

no it isn't - same idea and content, just different format.

It'sa a tricky issue as if you copyright a book then it's an actualy physical thing - but a file is just a state of electrons that's why MPs are currently rushing laws and e-copyright and mucking up the system on the way.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 01:35
sorry didnt get that about MPs why do they muck up?

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 02:10
Copyright is exactly as it sounds. It's your right to ownership of all copying, be it:
(1) Saving a file in another format.
(2) Taking a photo of a photo.
(3) Transcribing a book into another language.
(4) Playing someone elses tune and recording it yourself.

They're all just forms of copying and they all break the laws of copyright.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 02:13
ah yes finally! thx for that!

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 03:21
don't be a

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Yian
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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 03:33
huh?

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 03:35
a pirate. a pirate is someone who breaks copyright laws.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 03:50
Jeez he just wanted to know.

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Yian
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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 05:17
I'm not pirate...but i will say this: there are a few users of these forums(one was dear Geri) who not only download cracks and stuff but even make them!!I met 2...one was I think his forum name is BlackXStudios and the other is LuciferX who posted stuff about cracking DB right on the forum!

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 05:19
Yeah, stupidity knows no bounds.


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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 14:35
sorry didnt get that about MPs why do they muck up?

The problem is to do with intellectual property. In the olden days, when you buy a book you buy a book. It's your book. You can't copy the book, photocopying it is banned because it's a new hard copy of the book.

The problem is, if you get a picture off a web site that is copyrighted, print it off and with superhuman ability recreate it exactlky in ms paint without using the original file then you have made an identical copy. But it has nothing to do with the original copy. You may not have even seen the original in your life nad by chance copied it.

So the US digital millenium copyright act was rushed in in hope to solve the problems. However, it has created an interesting scenario:

- You buy an XBOX, Normally, it's yours. Youc an smah it up, rip it apart, do whatever you want with it.
- However with DMCA you can't. You can be sent to jail for open up your xbox, as you could be suspected to be bypassing the copy protection. It is illegal to bypas the copy protection, even if you don't run pirated games!
- Australia deemed that xbox mod chips has legal uses and now microsoft is threatening to withdraw the xbox from australia because of that!

It's a tricky subject and I'm no expert so I could have ritten a load of rubbisj for all I know. See http://www.hackingthexbox.com

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 14:41
ooh I am so sorry i had to go and ask that question...feel all dizzy now..(David i your sig is the best i have seen )

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 14:48
Btw, incase you still wanted to know, the MP3 issue is double the complexity because (1) You're copying someones music and (2) the MP3 format in itself has copyright restrictions.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 14:51
yes...someone said that before, DrakeX i think?

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 14:52
(4) Playing someone elses tune and recording it yourself.

Erm unfortunately it doesnt apply to tunes and alcoholic drinks.

You can cover a bands songs but you cant sample origianl parts.
thats why we have Cover Bands

Drink recipies cant be copyrighted as well, I dont know why exactly,It was something to do with the liquor ownership laws at the time I think of the law being written.



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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 14:55
i think there once was a ps2 vs Xbox discussion here once...not sure which proved to be the best

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 15:07
Quote: "ooh I am so sorry i had to go and ask that question...feel all dizzy now..(David i your sig is the best i have seen )"


I outdid myself there as well never typed that much before.

ps thanks - looking for a third quote...

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 15:24
Quote: "i think there once was a ps2 vs Xbox discussion here once...not sure which proved to be the best "
Xbox has better specs, but PS2 has better games.


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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 15:25
Quote: "There are 10 people in this world"


Uh... shouldn't it be "There are 10 typesof people in this world"?

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 15:35
Yes i also think it should be 10 types, but it still looks ultra cool!

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 15:37
I think I saw that on a t-shirt at http://www.thinkgeek.com


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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 15:45
Hmm yes i thought i also read it somewhere before,and it for some reason reminded me of T-shirts.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 15:59
oops

Theres no place like 127.0.0.1
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Bus station = where bus stops Train station = where train stops. Workstation = ?
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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 16:06
LOL

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how about this for a third?

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I like it soon i'll make a php scrupt that'll pull a random quote and make an image out of it so I can have unlimited random quotes in my sig

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Quote 43#

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 17:38
bus station=where bus arrives workstation=where all the work is brought together

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Quote: "You can cover a bands songs but you cant sample origianl parts.
thats why we have Cover Bands"


Don't know where you heard that Indi, but I assure you that's not the case. There are two types of cover bands - the pub band who goes around playing peoples music and aren't big enough to be a bother to the original artist, and then bands like Steps doing covers of Abba etc. who undoubtedly pay royalties to the original artist/label to be able to cover their music.

If people could legally cover other peoples music without risk of copyright infringement, then their wouldn't be a music industry. Any music played on instruments is very simple to replicate, so if it was legal to copy and sell other peoples music simply by performing and recording the tracks yourself, CDs wouldn't be £14. What's to stop any other company rerecording all the material on a CD, putting together and new package and selling it for £2?

The only rational answer is because it's illegal.

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bus station=where bus stops
workstation=where work stops

I like that one better for some reason....

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 19:39 Edited at: 28th Aug 2003 19:57
I'm mostly singing songs, when I'm taking a bath ... Can I be sued, if they are copyrighted ?

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 19:52 Edited at: 28th Aug 2003 19:53
Quote: "There are two types of cover bands - the pub band who goes around playing peoples music and aren't big enough to be a bother to the original artist, and then bands like Steps doing covers of Abba etc. who undoubtedly pay royalties to the original artist/label to be able to cover their music."


Actually you have to pay royalties when you play someone else's music if the composers/writers are registered with PRS/MCPS or GEMA or ASCAP or whatever, no matter how popular your band is. You don't have to ask the composers unless you change the song structure or melody.

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Away with the pretty fairies.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2003 22:39
'I'm mostly singing songs, when I'm taking a bath ... Can I be sued, if they are copyrighted ?'

I believe the singing-songs-while-bathing concept is copyrighted. You're violating two copyright laws! CIA! FBI! Interpol! Get him!

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Posted: 29th Aug 2003 01:22
er is it just me or has this copyright thing gone a little too far? LOL

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It's just you. This is the usual path to insanity that most forum posts take.

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