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Posted: 13th Oct 2009 08:30
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http://windows8news.com/2009/10/08/windows-8-to-be-128-bit/

windows 7 is a mear 10 days away and they are already talking about windows 8 and planning for windows 9 the beta is scheduled to be released in 2011 with a release date of 2012 anyone interested in what windows 8 will be able to do?

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I remember MS saying that 7 would be the last windows OS as the way PCs are used has changed so much, MS want to rethink the whole idea of what an OS is...

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Posted: 13th Oct 2009 11:55
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Quote: "MS want to rethink the whole idea of what an OS is..."


Yeah, they don't have much idea now...
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They can afford to "start again" from a structural point of view now that they have "XP Mode" RTMed (a virtual machine that runs XP apps) so I'm really hoping they do.

Huge overhauls with really good backwards compat. did wonders for the Mac world, and can presumably do the same for Windows (albeit Win. is nowhere near as archaic as OS 9 at this point, but there are definitely some big things that could do with changes - beyond the scope of a mere update)

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i really hope they wait to come out with DirectX 12 hardware and just focus on DirectX 11 seeing as the hardware isn't out yet for consumers. i'd like to see what game companies do with directX 11 and how real we can get to photo realistic imagery

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Quote: "I remember MS saying that 7 would be the last windows OS"


They said that Win7 would be the last 32-bit Windows OS, not the last OS. Win8 will be 64-bit only, and, as their recent announcement states, there will possibly be a 128-bit version.

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Will we ever reach 64-bit though? Can you see yourself with a computer in which is 17179869184Gb of RAM? (maybe incorrect, 2^64 / 1024 / 1024 / 1024 )

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windows 11 will probably be some sort of super OS that uses touch screen only and is actually 3d (so you could make a 3d pot, put it into a program the actually be able to pick it up in real life. or pull it out the screen for £20 windows 9 will be windows xp with a couple of crummy applications added and a new theme (like vista and 7)

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Quote: "windows 9 will be windows xp with a couple of crummy applications added and a new theme (like vista and 7)"


Understatement of the day goes to *drum roll* mike5424!

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Quote: "They said that Win7 would be the last 32-bit Windows OS, not the last OS."


Nope your wrong there.

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/windows_7/with_windows_7_almost_out_start_thinking_windows_8.html

Quote: "Indeed. But it's interesting to conjecture for a moment, even as Windows 7 finally hits the street, what form its successor will eventually take. The announcement of the browser-based Google Chrome OS, back in July, focused attention on the idea of an operating system operating exclusively out of the cloud; indeed, much of the media seemed quick to declare the Chrome OS--due for release in the second half of 2010--as the end of desktop-based operating systems as we know them."
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Quote: "Will we ever reach 64-bit though? Can you see yourself with a computer in which is 17179869184Gb of RAM? (maybe incorrect, 2^64 / 1024 / 1024 / 1024 )"


64 isn't just for accessing more RAM


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Well, it's general address space, I know. Other than mounting your hard disks straight into address space, what over uses are there for such a ridiculous amount of memory space?

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Quote: "Nope your wrong there."


Quote: "I remember MS saying that 7 would be the last windows OS"


Quote: "indeed, much of the media seemed quick to declare the Chrome OS--due for release in the second half of 2010--as the end of desktop-based operating systems as we know them"


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Posted: 14th Oct 2009 02:24 Edited at: 14th Oct 2009 02:30
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Quote: "17179869184Gb of RAM"


I'm thinking it's waaay smaller than that in reality too, because even with a 64 bit processor you have other components/parts of it (that in the foreseeable future) can't use much more than a crummy addressing size (i.e. not 64 bit - normally 52 bit or 48 bit addressing)

So you're right - we probably will never 'reach' 64 bit - even if we want that amount of RAM

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For Windows 8 Microsoft are going to hire people from Apple Inc to come up with some great idea's for a new OS... And then do the complete opposite!

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Quote: "and, as their recent announcement states, there will possibly be a 128-bit version."

They should focus on only 64bit for the time being... I mean, hardly anyone makes 64bit apps for windows anyway.

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Quote: "They should focus on only 64bit for the time being... I mean, hardly anyone makes 64bit apps for windows anyway."


I agree and as i've said, they should focus on DirectX 11 just like they did with DirectX 9. we got like 5-6 years out of that and games still use it. (By the way, this is Lover of games) my computer's messed up......again so i'm writing on this name.
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Personally I want to see what happens with windows 7 if it turns out to be another vista. Well lets put it this way windows 8 is not going to happen.

Sorry to doom and gloom over here but the dev cost plus low take up of vista has taken a large chunk out of microsoft. Another vista could mean the we all start learning goggle os or linix.

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Having been using the BETA of Windows 7 for a little while and judging from other people's reviews, it's not going to be another Vista. I've refused to use Vista since having it installed and have only positive things to say at the moment.

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Quote: "Another vista could mean the we all start learning goggle os or linix."


What about Mac OS X?

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Quote: "What about Mac OS X?"

That's Taboo here...

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Quote: "Personally I want to see what happens with windows 7 if it turns out to be another vista."


I agree with Seppuku. I've had it installed for months and love it. I can't stand to use Vista after having 7 for so long, and even XP is annoying to use. It seems the reaction in general to it is the same.

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Quote: "Quote: "What about Mac OS X?"
That's Taboo here...
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B-but...b-but...it runs on Intel processors, meaning that you can dual-boot Windows with it!

Honestly, what took Apple that long to switch to Intel processors? I know they switched a few years ago now, but still, it seems like they were against the idea for several years.

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By another vista I mean doesn't meet sell targets and is not accepted. Meaning they make another loss. Which could end microsoft.

We all remember sidekick mess up?

The Mac os needs fixing. Here is an upgrade it has 60% chance of wiping everything you have done. Yep a good choice.

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Quote: "Here is an upgrade it has 60% chance of wiping everything you have done. Yep a good choice."


You mean like with every OS? Seriously, every time you install a new OS onto your system, you risk accidentally wiping the hard drive and losing your files. It might be better just to wipe the drive completely and then upgrade, so that you don't have to go through the installation process twice (in case the first attempt fails and wipes the drive).

Quote: "Mac os needs fixing."


And a free, open-source OS (Linux, Ubuntu, whathaveyou) doesn't? I'm not bashing Linux here (I like it for the most part), I'm just saying that every OS has its faults and could be improved.

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I've played with Windows 7 and quite like it. I still use Vista for all my production work, but 7 is pretty damn impressive. I personally haven't used XP since Vista came out and I think I was one of the few people who never had any real problems with Vista. In fact, Vista was a big improvement for me over XP.

My copy of Windows 7 (64-bit) is on order and I'm looking forward to upgrading my production machine with it. My biggest reason for the upgrade is mainly due to the 64-bit support. I have an Intel i7 and I don't think I'm getting my best performance out of it one win32.

As far as Mac OS goes, I finally got rid of my Mac about a month ago. Purchasing that machine was one of the worst hardware decisions I have ever made. Besides surfing the web, the machine was pretty much useless to me. Anytime I asked a Mac user about applications that do something useful, they always responded with "your Mac can run Windows and you can access all those great Windows apps".

They were pretty shocked when I told them that Windows machines could run Windows too!

At any rate, I don't want to get into a PC vs. Mac debate. For me the best machine (and OS) is the one that can let me do my work the most efficiently. I'm upgrading to Windows 7 mainly for the performance boost over Vista. There are a few nice interface enhancements that I like too.

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No I mean the fact of this nice bug http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8304229.stm. Its kind of a major bug.

Sure lots os need fixing but aleast linux doesn't have anything that will delete everything when one logs out or turn off of the machine.

Sorry for my rants I just have this one on all 90 macs at work plus sidekicks. Not happy bunny. Needs to be fines on these companies for lack of testing.

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Yeah, that is quite the bug.

And I'm sorry for being harsh in my lat post, I misunderstood what you meant. I certainly hope Apple gets that bug worked out!


Quote: "Anytime I asked a Mac user about applications that do something useful, they always responded with "your Mac can run Windows and you can access all those great Windows apps"."


Yup, I had a friend whose dad was a Mac Genius (and she bragged about it every chance she got!), and any time I asked questions I always got a similar answer. Pretty much the only thing I would use a Mac for is video editing, and that's just to use Final Cut. Cheaper and a bit more efficient than Adobe CS, IMO. Otherwise, it's Windows all the way for me.

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Its ok, Yodaman Jer I pretty much almost got fired for it and got shouted at for it. Luckly I used that link to prove it wasn't my fault.

We had also moved to sidekick the day before MS lost everyones work. Who is to blame IT man. Bugs and me are feeling the love atm.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8310867.stm its on why 7 can't fail.

Ps after being told we are having windows 7 I have decided to take said disk and hide it for 6 months. No shouting at bugs and bugs if there get fixed equals happy boss for once this year.

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Posted: 20th Oct 2009 22:57 Edited at: 20th Oct 2009 22:57
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Quote: ". Anytime I asked a Mac user about applications that do something useful, they always responded with "your Mac can run Windows and you can access all those great Windows apps"."


You couldn't have looked very hard for apps yourself

Google <what app does> + OS X and you normally get a pretty useful result. Not hard

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Posted: 20th Oct 2009 23:08 Edited at: 20th Oct 2009 23:11
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A lot isn't available for OS X. You can get Unreal 3, but not UnrealEd. Or GECK. The main apps are quite often there, but the slightly obscure stuff that's more fun than the main app never is. You won't find a working level editor for Quake 3 either. I didn't, the GTKRadiant for OS X just doesn't work. Silent crash.

Generic use software like graphic design or media players are fairly abundant, and the situation is slowly improving, but anything for a single purpose in particular seems non-existant. Thank goodness for Boot Camp.

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Quote: "You couldn't have looked very hard for apps yourself

Google <what app does> + OS X and you normally get a pretty useful result. Not hard
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I'm not saying that there aren't apps for the Mac, I'm saying that there were very few in comparison to a PC. I purchase a great deal of software and found the Mac offerings nowhere near as varied as on the PC.

I also stand by my statement that every Mac user I have ever questioned on the availability of applications always seem to revert to stating they can boot Windows and run the application there.

For many people the Mac is their computer of choice. It just isn't mine.

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Quote: "A lot isn't available for OS X. You can get Unreal 3, but not UnrealEd. Or GECK. The main apps are quite often there, but the slightly obscure stuff that's more fun than the main app never is. You won't find a working level editor for Quake 3 either. I didn't, the GTKRadiant for OS X just doesn't work. Silent crash."


You must be clutching at straws to pick a bunch of level editors for games as examples of OS X lacking native apps

Quote: "I'm not saying that there aren't apps for the Mac, I'm saying that there were very few in comparison to a PC. I purchase a great deal of software and found the Mac offerings nowhere near as varied as on the PC. "


Yeah, but for what? There are absolutely tons of apps, but if you didn't narrow down exactly what you were after, why is it surprising you got vague answers? Or do you just accumulate software for the fun of it?

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Quote: "You must be clutching at straws to pick a bunch of level editors for games as examples of OS X lacking native apps"


No, that's just the software I've tried to use on OS X at college and hit a roadblock with. It's all easily available for Windows and in some cases Linux. Never OS X. If you want a machine to run XCode, Safari (Firefox on OS X sucks even more than it does on Windows since 3.5) and the Adobe Suite, it's your OS.

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I agree, the Mac is in dire need of more free apps. There are lots of alternatives, but everything seems to have a price tag. Even a decent text editor can set you back $50

I'm surprised there's not a widespread acceptance of free open-source like they have on Windows and Linux.


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Quote: "I'm surprised there's not a widespread acceptance of free open-source like they have on Windows and Linux."


Have you never used dports?

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Quote: "Honestly, what took Apple that long to switch to Intel processors? I know they switched a few years ago now, but still, it seems like they were against the idea for several years."


If I had to guess, they stayed on with PowerPC because the x86 platform is (according to people I've spoken with that know much more than I) somewhat of a mess. The main things keeping x86 on top are wide-spread acceptance and top-of-the-line chips like the new i7's. Eventually, though, they had no choice and moved to Intel.

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They were against the idea because at lower clock speeds (i.e. the 500-800MHz region 'back in the day') PPC did have some very marginal performance advantages over Intel processors. It also helped their core business (hardware) to stick with a not-so-popular processor. Presumably the horribleness of the classic OS (before OS X rolled around) kept them on PPC as well (they had previously abandoned Intel versions of Mac OS)

The lack of clock speed range beyond a certain point, as well as heat generation problems pushed them toward Intel in the end, however

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Not to mention the fact that there was no easy or automatic way to convert RISC (big endian) to x86 (little endian).


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