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Geek Culture / Apple's "Magic Mouse"

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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 23rd Oct 2009 07:03 Edited at: 23rd Oct 2009 07:03
Just read about the new iMac and the brand-new Magic Mouse. Personally, I like the idea of the mouse. It's similar to the trackpad used in the MacBook Pro series.

Anybody else like the idea of it? A button-less mouse means less wear-down and a better life for the mouse. Maybe someday all computer mice will be button-less?

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DJ Almix
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Posted: 23rd Oct 2009 07:14
I personally think that is a horrible idea. I have always hated mac mouses there just annoying. I mean the gestures seems cool, but I don't like mouses at all, I think that touch gestures should not be adapted to devices other then screens like pads, mouses and other objects. I just would much rather have a hardware keyboard and a multi touch screen.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2009 07:15
It is definitely neat.

Not sure it is useful for a mouse. Might speed up things that actually use it.

It is definitely a neat gadget though.

Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 23rd Oct 2009 07:24
Personally, I think it would be very good for things like photo editing, video editing and other tasks like that. Apple also lets you zoom in on the screen by using a single gesture, which I think is great for the tasks I listed above.

I can definitely see using the gestures, especially the swipe and scroll ones. I rather like the idea of no scroll wheel. And since it's a smooth surface, you don't have to worry about foreign objects getting in the cracks between the buttons.

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Van B
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Posted: 23rd Oct 2009 10:16
Is it just me, or do Apple think that we live in this weird sorta utopia where everything has a touch screen, and a button is something to be embarrassed about.

I bet Steve Jobs has no belly button, it's a dial like on the iPod, and it uses fluff free engine technology.

Just seems to me that these things are sold to gadget hungry technophiles rather than professionals. I'm looking at my mouse at work, laser, 2 buttons, 1 scroll wheel - I look where I want the mouse pointer to be then my hand almost magically makes it go there. It won't replace a tablet, touch screen, and to be honest I don't see what real benefit it has to a pro over a conventional mouse. A scroll wheel is tactile, micro-switches are tactile - I don't need to drag photographs around, I do need to be sure when I press the mouse button, I do actually like the clicky scroll wheel that actually feels like your doing something when using it.
My mouse at home cost 1/3rd the price of this, it's a laser mouse, and it's so accurate that I can draw a pixel width line across the screen with it (if I'm careful ). I just don't see what the benefits are, besides impressing your IT-illiterate friends.

My mouse doesn't need to know if my hand is just resting on it, because me and my mouse have an agreement - if I want to click, I press the button, if I want to scroll I roll the wheel.

I do like Apples designs, they are always neat, and that magnetic cable idea is just genius, I've seen many laptops put to sleep because of dodgy power connectors. What I don't like is how they are always trying to move away from convention, and sometimes convention knows better. First their mouse has 1 button, now the whole mouse is a button, that does everything, even things that your wouldn't really need your mouse to do.

We have to wonder what is next after this thing... a keyboard with no keys perhaps, or a joystick that is just a stick. Some of us like tactile gadgets, and with the design of the iPod I thought that Apple got that too, having a wheel that is responsive and high quality made the iPod what it is today - using other media players is like squeezing a head pimple in comparison, damn horrible little joysticks and chrome-plastic button stupidity.

Personally, I'd rather see a cost effective entry level mac laptop - to compete with netbooks which are being eaten up by the low-skill end of the market. Maybe that should be a concern given the lack of anyone buying anything right now.
Horrifically long post I know, I think they annoyed me with that laser mouse spiel, they make it sound as if other mice are made from chocolate and would melt in your hand if you put a laser in one of them. Like it's been written by a marketing troll with absolutely no real understanding. It's so accurate that they fail to mention how accurate it actually is - we just know it has a lazer beam in it.


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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 23rd Oct 2009 12:06
A bad mouse, made worse. As if it wasn't bad enough that the Mighty Mouse had a cable less than a foot, and you couldn't hold down the button whilst lifting the mouse on a 24in desktop in a heavily mouse-centric OS, making the use of anything impossible.

Then came the clicker, which was actually a touch strip to determine left or right click combined with the whole bottom of the mouse as a button so if you wanted to click both at the same time (ESSENTIAL in many 3D modellers) you couldn't and in games if your finger happened to rest on the left click when you right clicked your primary fire went instead.

So now we've lost the click, we've lost all tactile feedback and we still can't click multiple buttons at once. Do we even have middle click now? Again, this is essential for many apps. Considering this is substantially more than the cost of most proper mice, this is flat out ridiculous. At least now it's wireless so we're not asking people sitting next to us to hold the bottom up on the mouse because we want to drag something somewhere else...

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2009 14:31
I like how it's already getting tons of hate, and no-one here has even been near it in a box, let alone used it yet

Quote: "As if it wasn't bad enough that the Mighty Mouse had a cable less than a foot"


It plugs into the keyboard. Of course it's a short cable

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 23rd Oct 2009 15:15
Quote: "It plugs into the keyboard. Of course it's a short cable"


Which restricts it to a 1ft radius semicircle. Which means that without setting the sensitivity thousands of miles high you can't get from one side of the screen in one swipe and so you can't drag stuff across the screen.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2009 15:28
Full heartedly agree with VanB's post.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2009 16:14
As do I. I love my $10 laser mouse from Walgreens. It does the job perfectly. Who has the money to spend on these things?

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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 23rd Oct 2009 18:47 Edited at: 23rd Oct 2009 18:48
Well, I'm going to be buying a new iMac within the next couple of months (and dual-boot it with Windows 7), so I'll see if I can't give a clearer, better review from my personal use of the device.
Like most of you on here, I do agree that the actual clicking feels nice with a mouse. But, I'm also going to give Apple a chance and try out their shiny new toy. Hopefully, I'll like it.

Quote: "We have to wonder what is next after this thing... a keyboard with no keys perhaps, or a joystick that is just a stick"


Lol, yeah, no kidding. Although, to be fair to Apple, other companies are inventing a holographic keyboard. Techincally, that would be a keyboard with no keys.

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Venge
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Posted: 23rd Oct 2009 20:06 Edited at: 23rd Oct 2009 20:07
Quote: "We have to wonder what is next after this thing... a keyboard with no keys perhaps"


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Posted: 24th Oct 2009 02:05
Kinda cool, but I agree with what Nex and Van said. The whole thing is redundant--the only new feature for non-touchpad mice they've added is the two finger swipe. Granted, this feature is very nice for apps that implement it (like OpenOffice for page scrolling, and Firefox for quickly going to the top of bottom of a page), but the number of cases for its use is limited.

As for holding control to zoom, they've had that feature in OS X for a long time. I use a regular 2 button + scroll wheel Kensington USB laser mouse with my macbook pro and I can hold Control and zoom in with the scroll wheel. Same goes for a mighty mouse, or anything else with a scroll wheel The magic mouse zoom is nothing new at all.

Another useful feature is smooth scrolling in the X and Y planes, particularly when working in an image editing program, or something like a music sequencer or FMOD since you are scrolling left and right as much as you are scrolling up and down. But again, Mighty Mouse, as painful to use as it is, already does this.

I pity the foo who uses Apple mice with their Apple computer.
Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 24th Oct 2009 04:25
I get the feeling that brining up Macs in general is VERY much taboo here. Lol.

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Posted: 24th Oct 2009 05:03
Quote: "And available on its own for just $69."


Ooh, just 69$...

I could buy 3DWS with that money

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Posted: 24th Oct 2009 05:43
The Macbook Wheel is such a stupid idea.

Why anyone would spend that kind of money on a laptop like that is beyond me.

Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 24th Oct 2009 06:13
Luckily, the MacBook Wheel doesn't exist. It's just a joke, devised by some writers from the "Onion News Network". If Apple actually went and did anything similar to that, they'd lose out big time.

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Mahoney
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Posted: 24th Oct 2009 06:45
It made one hilarious video, though.

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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 24th Oct 2009 06:48
That it did.

"...when Apple talks about their next innovation, a MacBook that will be 4 ounces lighter due to the removal of screen and hard drive."


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Posted: 24th Oct 2009 07:05
That video is great, "everything is just a few hundred clicks away".

It does hammer home a point though - just because you can put a touchscreen on everything, doesn't mean you SHOULD.

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