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Yian
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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 01:19
I can see that many RGT refugees are lurking in these forums, like EgoAnt, which is cool...but I wonder, will the greats like Asheron and heartbone come too?Heartbone is here but never posts...as for Asheron, I haven't see that avatar of his anywhere on these forums... I just thought that it might be good for Rich to allow the use of Kudos if TGC is going to inherit all those forum people of RGT...it might make the RGT people feel more at home...

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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 01:50
I know the kudo's from the rgt forum. It would be cool if it could be implemented in this forum. But I'm not too sure Rich wants to implement it...

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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 02:38
How about just a kudos button, but no "boo" button. I hate seeing that people have booed me at RGT, when all I've pretty much done is give some C&C for there benefit. Ah well, I'm still pretty happy with the way things are anyway.



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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 02:39
I would accept some sort of kudos system ... as long as I could switch it off and opt-out.

I'd rather things stayed as they were. I'd much rather have an honest opinion that I didn't really like as opposed to someone trying to be nice to get points.

Also, with the odd 'personality' clashes that we sometimes get, do you really think that the system would be properly representative and not abused?
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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 02:40
I've been thinking about a kudos system of sorts, but it won't be user voted. Instead the more code you post into the codebase, the more kudos you get. Write a game that makes Showcase quality, you get a stack of it, that kinda thing. Actually voting for someone proves nothing most of the time. Rating them on what they actively contribute means a lot more.

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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 02:43
Quality and not quantity I hope?

Not a bad idea.
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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 03:18 Edited at: 1st Sep 2003 03:19
@IanM

The CodeBase has a Ratings system where other users can score code snippets - so presumably higher Code Rating = more kudos?

Kudos for writing plugins listed on the DBP page would be a must for Ian,TCA and myself

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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 04:04 Edited at: 1st Sep 2003 11:00
Here are some things that could be possible with two kudos systems :

A voted kudos system increases rivalry. So I don't think it would be good. And it proves nothing, like Rich said.
And the system : “doing something to get kudos� (like codes or a game), that would surely get the quality of the games better. But some people (not all) will do it only to get a higher rank, that way they can brag about it, while other people will keep some of their productions for themselves and have less kudos. So how can we see who is really a good programmer (or modeller, or anything else), we can only see what they want to show.
There are surely many programmers, who are beginning games and will never finish them. That system, will change that : there will be more finished games. But there is a dark side : All those guys, who didn’t finish their games, are able to program, but they don’t have that much kudos as if they submitted a whole game.

It think it would be better without kudos.
If you really think about doing it : I would propose counting the code you post in the codebase, and get some kind of medal-image if you realise Write a game that makes Showcase quality.
That way, even those who post less but create entire games can be recognised faster (with medals), and those who post many codes but don’t do many entire games would also be honoured (with kudos)

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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 05:31
Just try to keep a kudos system simple. That's why I say, people can vote you kudos. That way it encourages other people to help, and if they show off a cool model or a cool game, they get kudos that way also.

Simple and effective. Can't guareentee people won't brag, but that's all in the fun.



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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 05:33
I dont think people kudos is a good idea...at all. With Raven and Simple....all hell would break lose in the kudos department. That code idea sounds good

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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 06:20 Edited at: 1st Sep 2003 06:20
Do we even need kudos? Be here a week and you kinga figure out who are the nice guys, who are the bad guys, the lazy guyys, the goofy guys, the guy that know the da code, the guys that don't, ect... We don't really need a system to tell us which guys are gonna help you out.


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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 06:50
Personally I'm against a kudos system... even with code snippits. If, for example, someone got into a bit of a fight on the forums (as most of us have), all the people on the side of his main opponent might rate his code badly. Thus, one's code might be rated poorly or highly simply because of one's controversial political or religious standpoint. Furthermore, people who were busy on team projects and didn't have time to make many snippits would lag behind other, snippit-busy coders in kudos points, their talents staying unappreciated.

That's my two (poorly spelled, if my headache is any indication of today's coffee consumtion) cents

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I'm certainly not for kudos. Instead it would be interesting to have some lil pictures that tells if you are programmer, modeller, texturer, ... You could click checkboxes in your profile to select them.

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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 11:28
Maybe allowing mods to add or subtract kudos would be an option, then kudos can be awarded to people who help the comunity in a big way and then as punishment for bad language etc. have kudos taken away.

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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 13:09
The kudos system on RGT showed some big flaws with the voting system. You could get say only 10 kudos from releasing an entire game, but lose 20 kudos from just one comment which some people disagreed with.

Therefore I don't think there can be a negative kudos option.

To be honest, it was a big deal at first, but after a while everybody just ignores it completely.

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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 14:40
There would be no "negative" kudos ability, infact kudos is probably not even the right word to use for what I have planned. For a start if you vote on a codebase (etc) entry then that vote is visible, so we can easily see if someone is just going around low-voting everything in sight. Various points will be awarded depending on what it is you contribute. A showcase quality game for example would get lots, as would authoring a tutorial, while a codebase entry would get slightly less.

The aim isn't and never was to show who's best, it's to show who has contributed most to the community.

Think of it as a gauge to see how much someone has given back to us all.

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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 15:20
Yeah, I think it would be rewarding. And of course it wouldn't be to see how good somebody is. But you aren't paid for your games, and stuff, but in this way you still aren't, but you get something else in return, and I think that's a good thing.

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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 19:11
I think the idea behind it is great, but the system would be so easy to abuse...

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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 19:35
Quote: "but the system would be so easy to abuse..."


Not if implemented carefully.

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Mouse - it's pretty hard to abuse the release of a showcase game, tutorial or DLL! Those are what would contribute most.

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Posted: 1st Sep 2003 22:53
Quote: "I've been thinking about a kudos system of sorts, but it won't be user voted. Instead the more code you post into the codebase, the more kudos you get. Write a game that makes Showcase quality, you get a stack of it, that kinda thing. Actually voting for someone proves nothing most of the time. Rating them on what they actively contribute means a lot more."


I have to agree with rich on this one, i think this would be a VERY good idea, it just needs a little ironing out.

One idea could be (not a very good one i admit), that there is an appointed panel of "jury" who all showcase and codebase submissions get pased onto, who can then give it a vote out of ten. The points are added together, and gives you extra score. E.G., i send in a code snippet and get an average of 3 our of 10 by the judges, i also added a showcase entry before that got an average of 40 out of 50 by the judges. That would make my score 53. Different types of submissions, would have a different "highest score". Sorry if that doesnt make sense, the ideas are just flying out of me lol.

Obviously, the above still has some problems. For example, what if a member of the jury dislikes a certain someone, and who should the jury be? (And how many of them?).

Still, i think the RGT system sucks, a voting system is obviously going to be abused, i mean even the lowest form of life, the common idiot, could see that.

Anyways, im quite interested in this idea, i hope someone comes up with a kewl idea that will work Mine might do, it just has flaws that could do with ironing out...


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All right, I'll just see how it turns out .

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2003 01:33
I can see the Kudos ratings now:

Rich: 14789
RobK: 10792
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I dont want kudos. I'd never get any if there were.



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Quote: "I can see the Kudos ratings now:

Rich: 14789
RobK: 10792
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Geri: -352906e+37"


Hmm... Rich could have some creative scripting methinks:

SetUserKudos("Rich",KudosOfHighestForumMember()+1)

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Quote: "Hmm... Rich could have some creative scripting methinks:

SetUserKudos("Rich",KudosOfHighestForumMember()+1) "
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Quote: "I just thought that it might be good for Rich to allow the use of Kudos if TGC is going to inherit all those forum people of RGT...it might make the RGT people feel more at home... "


said as if it would be a good thing for us to bend OUR ways to RGTers even more than we already have.

i'm sorry thier forum is going down, but to be perfectly honest that ain't our problem ... if they wanna come here they can adapt to our ways and forum rather than the other way around.

you want a forum like RGT, then make your own - this IS NOT RGT and there are quite a few of us who would prefer not to have anything to do with the RGT forum ... i still say that this place hasn't recovered from last time we were invaded by the RGT regulars, definately isn't even close to as friendly as it used to be.
This isn't RGT and quite frankly there are alot of use who PREFER it that way.

all a kudos system would end up being is just another popularity contest and quite frankly i can't think of anything more childish, we all know who has ACTUAL talent here, it obvious from what they show and how they help out others ... why on earth would we need a scale to tell us this?
even more over why would the far more accomplished users want even MORE people bothering them with every single stupid problem simply because the forum board says thier some sorta fricking guru.

It's a waste of time int he hands of the public and it'll only cause more trouble than its worth for those who might prefer to actually go unnoticed.

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' our problem '

...and define 'our'? As in this forum? This forum is the TGC forum of which Real Game Tools was (and still legally is as far as I'm aware) an affiliate. Quite a strong connection there. The DBP community? That spans both forums too. I think you're a bit confused there

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affiliate, yes...
but then i'm an affilate of a number of companies, one of which is puff interactive - but it isn't puff interactives problem that my website and forum they were hosting has gone down. It's my responsibility to find another site and host for it not thiers ...

Real Game Tools is, or should i say was the North American and Canadian Publisher for DarkBASIC Professional ... they're not longer active and soon they will no longer even have a website for support.

Although yes they've published the title, it doesn't fall the responsibilty for The Game Creators to take on the users as if RGT was the MAIN company.
They're welcome to join here, there is no disputing this partly because there is no problem with the people joining and partly because this is now really the exclusive DarkBASIC Professional website again ... however what they're NOT welcome to do is go around trying to change THIS forum to RGT.

This is NOT RGT, if RGT was the mother company then fair enough the forum & site should probably be setup to accomidate THIER business and pander to thier refugees. But it isn't, and they have a choice where by they can either learn to adapt to how THIS forum does things, else they can setup thier own just like RGT that they like so much.

It isn't this forum or this forums communities responsiblity to treat the RGT members any differently ... and infact thier comming into OUR forum now, this time for good and i think it is about time they showed a little respect to the fact that we're not here simply as THIER backup - this is a completely different community who although yes are using the same product works DIFFERENTLY.

Britian is Britian and America is America ... i no more want the Americans going over to Britian and making it Mini-America than i want the British to come over to America making it Mini-Britian.

We are two totally different nations and just because thiers is now sinking doesn't mean we have to change our ways just to suit thier selfish needs, and it is a flipping cheek that they even ask that we do!

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That's just the sort of claptrap that divides the two communities and keeps many of the users on RGT from using this board more often.

You seem to forget far too often that both boards are for the DB community and not your playground for spouting the BS that you do.

I'd like to think that I'm a respected member of the DB community, though whether that is true or not is a matter of personal opinion. I've also made a reasonably substantial contribution to the DB community and have never refused to help someone or failed to be polite to anyone - even when they have been abusive to me.

I am also in the top couple of percent age-wise and like to think that I do act my age and post responsibly. I'm certainly no little kid.

In all the years I've been involved with DB, I've never been reduced to flaming anyone, but with you I'm sorely tempted.

Quote: "this IS NOT RGT and there are quite a few of us who would prefer not to have anything to do with the RGT forum"


Like who else? I've only ever seen you with the 'keep the invaders out' attitude.

I understand your disdain for RGT since they flung you out on your arse, but you are one of the reasons why I and some of the other RGT users ventured here rarely in the past.

Quote: "they have a choice where by they can either learn to adapt to how THIS forum does things, else they can setup thier own just like RGT that they like so much."


Just exactly what is there to adapt to? This is a forum for God's sake. Log on, post a question, answer a question, contribute to a discussion and then log off again. Just what exactly do RGT users do that is so alien to you - apart from contribute to a forum that you can't?

Quote: "infact thier comming into OUR forum now, this time for good and i think it is about time they showed a little respect to the fact that we're not here simply as THIER backup - this is a completely different community who although yes are using the same product works DIFFERENTLY"


Once again, how so? What is so different about the way things are done here to the way things are done at RGT? Many of us are users of both communities and can see nothing different so what can you see that we can't?

It's about time that you grew up and stop all the negative rhetoric - using terms like 'invaded' and 'refugees' and remember that we are all primarily DB users.

All users of DB have EVERY right to use this forum as it is their forum - not yours, not mine but everyone's. They also have the right to request features and if it is the majority of the population making the request then Rich can make a decision on whether to implement it or not. If you don't personally like it then tough. If I don't like it either - then tough also.

And finally, for the record, I too think that the Kudos idea is a bit of a waste of time and don't think it should be implemented here either.

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This reminds me of "The Office" & the Swindon Branch.
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2003 13:20 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2003 13:20
I've got to agree with TDK Mans comments on the most part - I'm not entirely sure where or what this animosity is between RGT and Apollo. I've seen no "invasion" as of late in either direction and I don't believe for a second that anyone coming here from there (or the other way around) would be treated with any kind of disdain. Most users are above that kind. Equally this place is far less hostile than it has been in the past, people seem to have finally chilled out in the most part. There will always be exceptions to this I know and sad spuds like Geri, but that's just forum life.

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Quote: "ust exactly what is there to adapt to? This is a forum for God's sake. Log on, post a question, answer a question, contribute to a discussion and then log off again. Just what exactly do RGT users do that is so alien to you - apart from contribute to a forum that you can't?"


no a forum isn't as simple as Log-on and post, on the technical side this is all there is.
but when your a member of a community it'll give a certain vibe, if you moved house from say London to Manchester do you think that just because your living in a street like you used to, surrounded by similarly earning people as yourself ... that somehow how they act, what they say, and how you will get on with them will be identical?

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i don't dislike RGT because i was banned, and it has never had anything to do with that - most of ya'll don't even know why i was banned in the first place and i've heard so much crap about how the "VEGETA" was kicked out of RGT because of this that and the other ... when quite frankly me getting kicked out had nothing to do with any of you or my actions on the forum itself.
So stop bringing it up, and infact my distaste for RGT goes almost from the get go. Simply because it has a different more abrasive atmosphere than here.

;; or rather it used to, as this place seems to follow more and more with each passing week because a good number of RGT members have come here from when RGT was down and quite frankly find me ONE user here who can honestly say this place has been the same since before christmas??

i'm begining to dislike the general atmosphere around here, rather than looking forward to what is going on ... now i have to worry about what people have said next, who is bitching at who this week, what has been said that has abstained the entire community AGAIN.

and worst of all is that sodding SHEEP mentality that seems to have moved here, from everyone having thier own opinions and post arguments lasting a good 3-4posts if that, to people taking on everyone else with contriversal topics and alot of users KNOWINGLY bating people here into fights, particularly me.

thats what i truely hated about RGT ... you couldn't say anything without some smart arse going "no actually its all blah-blah-blah and showing 60pages of crap just to prove a sodding point"

apollo members would tell your wrong, but they don't show you up doing it ... they said it in a way that almost never ended in an argument, i mean christ until most of the RGT people came here and starting with freaking Simple and his "lets see how much we can wind Raven up" attitude i hadn't got into a single flamewar over anything, then all of a sudden everything hurtles up.

RGT members are quite rough and cruel about thier comments on everything, sure so someone made a block on a matrix ... if it isn't worth the attention then don't pay it.
Don't go off on a 10page tagent about how its Sooo Crap, rather than simply feeling bad that no one posted which to be honest here wasn't actually a big deal cause there was very little posting going on - they feel bad because they think that you think thier an idiot ... i'm sure that encourages them to make something bigger and better on some strange and twisted level eh!

sorry but personally i think the RGT forums just had one terrible attitude, which might not sit well with me because mine is hardly rosey - but here i actually used to get one with everyone.
Rather than being my stress free zone, its turned into the freakin' gulf ... and i'm not the only one who feels like that niether.

was a much happier place, and you guys kept away because you thought it was boring and that we talked about nothing ... it might've been but it was still much more happier and pleasent to be!

first thing ALL of your bitched about when you came here was "no edit button", "no search feature", "no attachments", "no one posts much work if any", "there are too many noobie questions", "raven's here and he's a bad person"...

all ya'll did was freaking bitch, and quite frankly i didn't want it ... and most others didn't want it either. You say you didn't come here cause of my bad attitude and others like me, but quite frankly this place was NOTHING like this no more than 9months ago - you wanna blame the attitude on the place now, look at your fellow RGT members who decided to "liven" this place up.

the cultures of the forums are totally different, you guys don't want to change what you say and how you act ... and the added freedom musta gone far too much to your heads like cheap booze cause ya'll were just interollerable.
And everyone here wanted to give you guys a chance (i didn't, cause i knew this would all end up in sodding tears - but no one ever bloody listens to me!)

look where we are today, with a forum that quite frankly is turning into a mini-RGT ... i bet we're still gonna be told that there needs to be an adjustment period here for the users from RGT to get used to how this forum is - but really they don't sodding need to anymore do they!

you think i'm spouting BS about how this forum used to be?? then ASK someone who was here before all ya'll came in!
i'm about the only sodding member here who's actually willing to ever say anything about these things.

i don't really care if people will sit here and back me up on this post ... most who were here prior to christmas are generally not on anywhere close to what they were.

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Raven,
It is funny that you feel that way. While I don't post here much, I do, and always have read these forums. This is a great little community. So is RGT. There aren't any flamewars over at RGT. In fact, I've been using the DB forums since darn near the beginning and there have been fewer flamewars at RGT than any other DB forum. Well... that is since you got kicked
It is funny. Any time anybody from RGT mentions these boards and why they don't use them the same reason always comes up: You

I'm not trying to flame you, hate you, or be mean (this time). I don't care for you personally, but I'm not going to let that stop me from using these (or any other) forums. I think it is a shame that others feel that they have to avoid this community because of ONE egocentric personality.
If you don't want to be a target, then you can easily take the 'freakin bullseye off of your forehead. Here is how: Don't be so arrogant. Speak the truth or accept when people find out the truth. Don't act like such a victim. You are responible for the reasons that people don't like you.

If you wonder why people post 60 different links to prove you are wrong on a subject, it is because a simple "that is incorrect, Raven" is never enough for you. You will post on and on about how you are right (no matter the subject) and provide no backup. So, it is best to just provide the proof from the start.

....oh yeah, and before you do your cookie-cutter reply and call me a stupid little kid, I'm 28 years old, married, have 2 kids, and a real job (making real money). I'm not afraid of anyone here or anywhere else not liking me. I call them like I see them and your reply about the RGT forum is completely off base.

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/me chips in

I feel that a _quantifiable_ rating system is a bad idea and would further widen the "got nothing better to do/hobbyist" dichotomy.

Perhaps just changing the user's status line thingy.

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'I'd like to think that I'm a respected member of the DB community'

I'm behind you there

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Quote: "There aren't any flamewars over at RGT"


*Cough* Roswell thread *Cough*
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Quote: "I think it is a shame that others feel that they have to avoid this community because of ONE egocentric personality."
To be fair this is the first "almost" flamewar which Raven has activly been part of in months, hell up untill a week ago the flamebait tag was gaining quite the level of dust on it. For the most part, the only thing I see maintaining Raven's "status" is people who weren't even here during the peek of Raven and Simple's flamewars. Last I've checked Raven hasn't done anything, however it seems to me that these people (the term 'munchkin' come to mind), who haven't seen Raven in action, have jumped the bandwagon and started to egg him on. Remember how bad the Geri posts were? I'm not talking his/her post, I'm talking about the sheer amount of replies against the guy. Hell, it seem like some of these new guys actually want a flamewar. Personally I find the whole situation a double-edged sword, on one hand I can't help but see the one sidedness of it, but I'm faced with the possibity of eating my words if Raven goes ape-nuts, and risk countless claims of me being a Raven fan-boy (along with gasholes who spam my e-mail, Shadow Robert if your out there I will rip you a new one).

To put it simply, I want everone to forget what they've heard, let the past die, and for once start making your own opinions. For the past month I've seen no ill behavor from Raven. I see no reason to contenue this grudge.


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haggis,

That isn't a flamewar. People are talking about different points-of-view about a topic that can not be proven one way or another. It started to get a bit nasty, but it straightened itself out. If you consider that a "flamewar" then you would have to consider almost any topic on any controversial subject that people have different opinions on a flamewar. If that is your idea of a flamewar, I would still have to say that there are still fewer at RGT than any other forum in the history of DB.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2003 18:39 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2003 18:40
Quote: "For the past month I've seen no ill behavor from Raven"


http://www.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=16056&b=1
And that was just yesterday.
A reason why you haven't seen ill behaviour from Raven might be related to the fact that he hasn't posted much lately. This again has maybe something to do with the fact that he announced so many programs for August/September that all vapourised.

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Arrow,
I agree. Raven has been strangely in-line as of late. Kudos to him for that. I could care less about the past. I do care about NOW though and feel the record should be set straight. Raven is wrong IN THIS THREAD in regards to RGT.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2003 18:47
ok ok maybe its not that bad, but at least everybody could try to be civil in the thread.
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He was most certainly to first one to post something in an agressive manner. I consider that post, and most of his that follow it, to be flames.

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But I'm sure that his won't be the last word.

This is a pointless discussion and has taken this thread way off-topic. Maybe it should stop.
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Sorry, my bad

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2003 20:44
lol,that was the first long ass Raven post i have read in a while...that waqs about 1100 words...lol

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bloody hell,

anyway, listen to ian, this was quite an interesting thread till you guys killed it!


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