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Yian
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2003 01:43
I am lately hearing from many of my friends that computer software(not sure about hardware) are very cheap in third world countries especially Pakistan. I tried to think the reason...could it be the crappy currency of these countries? I dont think so since the price the shops say in pakistan will get the software, are the same as any other shop in the world... For example in Lebanon it is about 50 pence an hour on really fast internet/lan cafes! Could anyone help me to find the reason of this????

-john D.
the_winch
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2003 02:32
It's usually because the cost of living and wages are so low there. It's kinda hard to sell copies of windows when it costs as much as people earn in a year. You either sell no software or reduce the price and sell some. Piracy will be a problem as well, in order to have a chance to compete with the pirate software they have to reduce the prices.

Price is generally set at what people are prepared to pay not the minimum possible.
Yian
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2003 02:47
wow! but doesn't that create any competition for other markets non-3rd world country? I hear many English people are going to pakistan just to get tons of CDs and stuff for like really cheap prices...

-john D.
Rob K
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2003 02:53
The software is cheap because

a) Virtually ALL software is pirate ( > 94%)

b) It many cases, you cannot buy legit versions short of importing them

Yian
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2003 02:59
no RobK I have a very close friend and he is sure that a copy of XP Pro original(retail) was about 4 pounds in i thin pakistan..I used to think it was pirated but many people come back with originals...I am 100% sure of this since I live in Cyprus which is close to countries like Lebanon and Syria...

-john D.
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2003 03:13
@John

I also have a close friend who regularly visits Pakistan as that is where he is from, and he says that he sees very little legal software out there.

Retail WinXP may be cheaper out there, but not £4. Microsoft could barely afford the box and CD for that. Microsoft would never, in their right minds, make umpteen thousand % less to sell in a country, it just wouldn't be worth the effort.

It is a pirate copy or your friend recalled the price incorrectly. Convincing pirate maybe (and I have seen some good ones), but not the real thing.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2003 03:20
Yeah, I have a bunch of Bosnian music and software CDs from some friends in the army. Everything sells for £5, no matter what it is, and it's all pirated, and it's all very convincingly pirated. I bought a copy of tomb raider back in the day and the only thing that gave away that it was a pirate was the fact the image printed on the CD was some topless porn image of Lara. I'm sure the Bosnian market is very similar to the Pakistani market.

... I forgot to mention. The best thing is, as far as I understand it, it's perfectly legal for us to buy it, pirated or not.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2003 05:07
Yes, a lot of countries in the Middle East don't have any / very few copyright laws relating to software. So its all legal.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2003 06:42
John the reason is what was mentioned before... you can't retail something for more than what people are willing to pay.
Althought i do find it hard to believe that it'd be only $8 in Pakistan - somewhere closers to $20 i'd suspect.
But then its also to the supply&demand rule ...

if in the UK the population is say 100 people and in Pakistan its 10,000 people - now if you say that 75% of these people will buy Windows...

this means 75 Britains and 7,500 Indians
if you sell the software in the UK for $120, in pakistan you can make the exact same profit by charging only $12 ... you tag this concept into the fact of the cost-of-living which marketeers must always take into account, also the increased production costs (which for a big company like microsoft is something stupid like $4/copy)

simply economics really for those who've taken it
you always strive to make the most profit, and you don't always make the biggest profit but retailing at an extorsionate price.

The reason Windows is so expensive in the UK & US is because we're stupid enough to pay the prices ... if people refused to upgrade because of prices the priceing structure would be reworked to make people happy to again gain the biggest retail<->cost (profit)

its why alot of 3rd world countries will pay staff daily, because most would rather earn $1/day rather than $10/week - its seems better to be earning something everyday that you can spend right away than earning a bit more per week.

Yian
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2003 14:15
ok well thanks...not sure if its not a copy didnt look like one,but I still have a friend who is an expert in England with PCs and says it is originals...

-john D.
Yian
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2003 14:16
ok well thanks...not sure if its not a copy didnt look like one,but I still have a friend who is an expert in England with PCs and says it is originals...Still thx for clearing that up

-john D.
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2003 16:33
Oh yeah a friend of mine got GTA3 from singapore I think (on holiday), $8 Aus, and It came with the crack lol.

As for winxp for $4, they would still earn a bit (the cd costs like 5cents to make, the box and the paper are the expensive parts).

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2003 19:20 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2003 19:21
Quote: "if in the UK the population is say 100 people and in Pakistan its 10,000 people - now if you say that 75% of these people will buy Windows...
this means 75 Britains and 7,500 Indians
if you sell the software in the UK for $120, in pakistan you can make the exact same profit by charging only $12 ... you tag this concept into the fact of the cost-of-living which marketeers must always take into account, also the increased production costs (which for a big company like microsoft is something stupid like $4/copy)
simply economics really for those who've taken it "

What do we learn here:
1) 75% of 10,000 Pakistanis are Indians
2) $12 * 7,500 = $120 * 75

Simply economics for those who've taken it ... but hard maths for those who haven't.

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