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Falelorn
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What is the best OS for playing games made in DBPro and DBC?

95? Does it even support DX9?

98 Best OS for games? Lot of people think so, with the updates you can use more then 512mb of Ram

XP I dont like XP for games, they seem to run slow

2k Stable

2k3 Stable but new, waiting for my copy

Ive been thinking of that post in the DBC thread about DB Console. I think it would be a fun project to play around with, I have spare comptuers, OS, I would need a newer video card, but I have the time to play around. Was thinking of documenting it.
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FieldDoc
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What has everyone got against XP and games? They have always seemed to play fine together for me. Add the fact that it is, hands down, THE most stable OS MS has released to date.


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Martyn Pittuck
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Only problem i have is with these GeForce Drivers that crash time and time again, otherwise i would be back in the top 100 ranks on clanbase

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the_winch
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Win 98 is proberly the fastest but not incredably stable.
The problem with xp and games is it's slower than win98.

If you want one to use on a db-box the best one is proberly the one you know your way around most and is compatable with all your hardware. The only trouble with win9x is they have a tendancy to need re-installing every so often.
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Kangaroo2 BETA2
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95 - don't touch it
98SE fastest (just) but v unstable with DX9 +
For me, ME and 2000 have always been buggy on my PCs but others swear by them
XP Works absolutely fine for me with all new games and DBPro and Classic BUT You need a decent enough PC otherwise it'll be slow. I would say anything less than 800Mhz 256Mb RAM stick to 98SE

Best version of Windows? 3.11 for Workgroups. (j/k)

Actually the best MS operating system would be MS-DOS 6.22, shame Pro doesn't work in it, I'd be so happy lol

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MushroomHead
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Quote: "XP I dont like XP for games, they seem to run slow"


It's debatable, I noticed a lot of lag with online games in comparison to say Win98SE but this is due to stupid unneeded services running in the background (Windows Management Instrumentation, SSDP discovery, Background Intelligent Transfer, All "Helper" services etc) ... go to blackviper and study the WinXP services guide :-

http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

There's more services you can disable than what the guide says but it all depends on what you're using down your end (e.g. using LAN networked XP's you may need some services running) so it's a matter of trial an error experimentation. At the moment I only got 26 services running ...

Additionally, install DX9.0b ... I have noticed fast response times in the new DirecyPlay and disable any memory hogging start runtimes in msconfig. Try powering down your PC/cable modem (remove power plug from wallpoint for 1 min then power up) at least once a month ... especially if you're using "shutdown" in WinXP.
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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 4th Sep 2003 18:58 Edited at: 4th Sep 2003 19:00
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95 can't run anything beyond DirectX 8.0 (there is a length and good explaination why... but not gonna go into it)

98 is just a waste of time w/DirectX9, however is alright for everything else - personally i never liked it though crashed to often for my likes and it was a pain in the ass to get networks & drivers to work first time.

98SE - i honestly don't have a clue, never used it ... but i've been told its alright. Can't see how it can be that much better than 98 to be honest though.

MillenniumEdition - this is THE fastest Mircosoft OS to date, only drawback is that it is also THE most tempermental, it'll run DirectX 9.00 fine ... but 9.01 and 9.02 register as Dx8.1 and its a 50/50 gamble if they'll create a device.
Also ATi & nVidia cards tend to make it a little unstable using thier personal features.

2000 - really more of a professional OS for workstations, but is a very stable system ... not particularly fast though especially when emulating the other OSs

XP Home - Not to be touched with a barge pole, but if you have to then install SP1a and it should be fairly stable and workable.

XP Professional - With the exception of that annoying MSBlast virus which i've recently had the pleasure of finding out how much i hate sodding 18yo's with too much bloody time on thier hands ... it is THE most stable OS i've used. Never had a driver problem with it as it'll run all other Windows drivers flawlessly, although much faster using specially made drivers and its speed with DirectX is on par with Millennium Edition. Standard Desktop is a tad slow at time on FAT32 ... convert the entire system to NTFS 4096 and really the entire system will run faster than curry with laxitives.

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just looked at that black viper thing... that dudes got my face!

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OSX Using Happy Dude
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Posted: 4th Sep 2003 19:38 Edited at: 4th Sep 2003 19:39
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XP Home is very good, especially after SP1. Okay, pre-SP1 it had trouble with a few devices (for some reason, one of my machines it the graphics card decided it didn't want to set itself up on the AGP port), but had no trouble since SP1.

The only real problem with XP is that you do need a lot of memory - but as its cheap, who cares ?

Anyone one tried Server 2003 yet ?


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Falelorn
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I wouldnt say XP is the most stable OS, 2000 is by far. XP is very nice tho.
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CattleRustler
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I personally love 2000 Pro - I have never crashed it (unbelievably)


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Martyn Pittuck
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you must have some good drivers

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Falelorn
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I have only crashed 2000 once, and it was my fault with a coding error. It was the blue screen of death crash to. Besides that its a very forgiving OS.
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Mattman
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Quote: "[edit-]
just looked at that black viper thing... that dudes got my face!
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weird, he does kinda look like you...


i program dbc on a 98SE, and pro on xp. both are fine

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koshi
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most games ive played on xp work fine, but i had a couple that crashed.. so i dunno, other then that i like xp.

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Arrow
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The one thing I hate about XP is playing older games. DOS baced games and the like are a bbitch to get working some times. The times I do get them to work I get no sound.


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Hey Raven, what's wrong with XP Home? I have two friends with XP Pro whereas I have home and honestly I can't tell the difference, they both run the same things stabely. The only thing I hear is that Pro has more security features or something.

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Mattman
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Linux! lol

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OSX Using Happy Dude
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Linux is a pain (until it has decent and reliable drivers for modern equipment). When Linux crashes it takes out the whole computer, which is rather annoying.

It's good for offices where you wont be playing games, and probably wont have the latest hardware, but for home use its something to be avoided.


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MicroMan
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I've been doing unbelievably stupid things to my Win2k and it's never crashed because of it. The only time it crashed was when I bought a bank of flaky RAM.

Then it behaved like a ... pardon my french .... b***h, and I actually got to see its version of the bsod. But only for about two milliseconds before the whole system crashed down and rebooted.

That continued for a couple of days. Luckily it was easy to identify the cause. But otherwise, I've never had a crash with it. And it runs for weeks 24-7 without a problem.

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CloseToPerfect
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I use 98se on 3 computers and dbp runs fine on them and I have use dx9 since the beta.

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Shock
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Quote: "Linux is a pain (until it has decent and reliable drivers for modern equipment). When Linux crashes it takes out the whole computer, which is rather annoying."


Actually, the latest versions of Linux RedHat own any windows os out there. It's one hell of alot more stable than windows (yes, more stable than windows xp).

There's only one reason why i dont use it as my primary os, and thats (obviously) program compatibilty. You can get windows emulators, but thats exactly what they are, emulators. Theyre buggy, slow, and some programs wont run in them.

And i use WinXP Pro to program in both DBC and DBP.

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Win 98 and DX9.0b works just fine, has no issues and is listed as compatable with DX9.0b on the MS download site, you won`t find much on the knowledgebase about problems with DX9.0b and 98 either, I run just this combo and it is stable with over 130 mainline games I have installed from RTCW to Doom, Raven keeps going on about DX9.0b being unstable in 98 but that seems to be his problem, the rest of the world are copeing fine

my specs

AMD 1.2ghz cpu
384mb ram
1xsis pci card for monitor 1
1xGeForce4mx 64mb for monitor 2
1x 20gig hd C:
1x4.2gig hd D:
dvd drive 38x F:
cdrw 24x E:
latest detonator drivers
latest mobo drivers
last and latest win98 patches

last crash (trivial..just needed reboot) sometime mid June after 6 hour code session involving over 40 compiles.

not bad for an "unstable" system, especialy considering I run two monitors at different resolutions alongside DB and plenty of apps in the taskbar.

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