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FPSC Classic Product Chat / Advice on Creating a huge jail level

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Work4TheKing
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Posted: 20th Jan 2010 02:03
Hello,

You guys have always been a big help in giving great advice in game creating especially when it comes to fps creator. I was wondering if you could help me with this idea i have. I wanted to create a huge jail that the player can run around in. This jail will consist of many different rooms, from a kitchen, jail cells, yard area, library, etc. I just want the person to get a sense that it is free-roaming that they can go freely back and forth to each section. I am currently using the fenix mod so do you have any advice for me how to pull this off? Thanks.
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Posted: 20th Jan 2010 12:04
For performance I'd suggest building it on several layers.
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Posted: 20th Jan 2010 16:13
Well, that is possible. Several layers. Layers underground and up from the ground. And make sure there's no floating hallways, as you can go outside.

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Posted: 20th Jan 2010 18:12
to convey the "hugeness" of it all, I suggest massive hallways with tons of cells with only a sink, toilet and bed.



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Posted: 20th Jan 2010 18:24
Are you talking Jail, or Prison?

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Posted: 20th Jan 2010 22:19 Edited at: 20th Jan 2010 22:19
Quote: "Are you talking Jail, or Prison?"


Are you asking from experience?

I would think he's talking prison (kitchen, library, yard, etc) which really shouldn't be too difficult if done correctly. The way most prisons are designed, you never have very large areas and there are many tight turns, short halls and lots of doors. That should help to keep your frame rate up. Your biggest room, aside from the yard might be the mess hall. Some older prisons have large common population areas, but most of the newer facilities have them broken down into smaller areas of cells surrounding a common area. Don't forget things like the dispensary, laundry, showers, etc.

You can search some prison plans/layouts on Google.

Brian.

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Posted: 20th Jan 2010 22:29 Edited at: 20th Jan 2010 22:41
Well; a Jail is normally run by the County (USA) and the Sheriff, whereas a Prison is run by either the State, or the Federal Government and a Warden. A Jail isn't normally that large. A Prison houses quite a few inmates, and varies in size and makeup. I am a Corrections Officer at a Prison that houses somewhere in the neighborhood of over 2,000 inmates of varying security levels.

Tight turns isn't something that is planned, in most prisons; as they are potential ambush points. However, when it can't be avoided; mirrors on the walls are used.

The Prisons you see that are multi-leveld with balconys and bars for doors are referred to as "Galleries". Most of today's prisons house inmates in cells of 1 or 2 in capacity, utilizing doors instead. Some prisons are all on one level (mine is one-level on the side I work, and bi-level on the other side (which I occasionally work at as well). Passage to any area; especially the Chow Hall is either controlled, or controllable. There are numerous things to be concerned about when talking about the physical makeup of a Prison; I suspect Jails are similar.

Aside from Housing Units; main areas of traffic are:

- Programs (school, library and other activities)
- Big Yard (with weight pit)
- Small Yard (with weight pit)
- Kitchen
- MSI (factory, where prisoners work)
- Walkways to each area

Where I work; I carry a radio, keys and cuffs on me...no weapons of any kind. Any weapons we have would be too late in coming, to save anyone in immediate danger. We only have gun towers on one side of the complex; my side has none. The level of inmate goes from 1 (unsecure), all the way to 5 (maximum). My facility is labeled as a level 2; however, we regularly host anywhere from level 2 to level 4. There are no doors on my side, it's all open-bay setting (8 men to a cube). You have to walk among them everyday; backup may or may not make it in time, if they want you...they can take you at any time. You have to be able to communicate effectively with these guys...both for your sake, and you co-worker's.

I would sat that anywhere from 1/4 to 1/3 of the population I work with are doing life (life in Michigan is your natural life). There is no death penalty, so they really don't have much to lose if they want to take you out.

Since Michigan closed down all it's mental health prisons; the mental patients have been put into General Population throughout Michigan (which has contributed to the Department's costs significantly, just by the meds alone). They are a particular problem for us, as well as the other inmates.

-Keith
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Posted: 21st Jan 2010 10:04
Quote: "backup may or may not make it in time, if they want you...they can take you at any time. You have to be able to communicate effectively with these guys...both for your sake, and you co-worker's.
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Posted: 21st Jan 2010 10:26 Edited at: 21st Jan 2010 10:27
KeithC:
You're not scared to watch out 'bad guys' like murderers ?

Please apologize my bad english, I'm French.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2010 15:00 Edited at: 21st Jan 2010 15:01
It's a little like going to Iraq; you're on edge for awhile, but you have to learn to control your emotions...and at times become just a little complacent. Otherwise you'll drive yourself crazy. I rely on the selfish nature of the inmates; they know if they start something we'll tear their house apart and make their world a nightmare for the foreseeable future, and they don't want that.

The murderers are easy to get along with; most of the murderers did it once, as a crime of passion or rage. It's the child molesters I can't stomach (usually the other inmates can't either, many of them have kids too).

It may sound odd; but (much like my military service) you have to come to terms with the fact that you might die or become seriously hurt in the line of duty. As long as my family is taken care of, that's all I care about (I didn't see myself as a Corrections Officer, working in a prison; but the bills have to get paid somehow). I'm worth a lot of money to my wife, if I die!

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Posted: 21st Jan 2010 16:44
well, that would all work in FPSC if it were possible to have 5000 characters in a level. In my next project, I was planning on a huge prison level set piece. basically, It was 3 segments high, and got wider the higher it went. It was a big long massive hallway, sort of a T-shape lined with nothing but cells on every floor. in that level, the prisoners took over the prison and being a police officer, you were sent in. I tried to use lots of grey lighting on grey walls. It made for a drab, uninspirational environment that everyone would hate.

keep your prison simple, and functional. there are so many times I made dumb mistakes:

buttons next to cells that open doors that prisoners could easily reach
no way down from the raised floors
cells were just bars and had no doors
etc. etc.

you really have to watch out for those things, they can make or break immersion.



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Posted: 22nd Jan 2010 02:53
I am in the process of making a small prison for my game.

I have done a fair bit on it so far.

Consists so far of cells,(doors that open and shut) upper and lower levels and walkways, main hall Kitchen, bathroom, Warden office.

So far spent about 10 hours on it.
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Posted: 22nd Jan 2010 16:34
I love it when original posters ask for help...then never return.

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Posted: 22nd Jan 2010 16:37
Thanks everyone for your feedback! I am sorry i was talking about a prison and not a jail, thanks picking that up!!
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Posted: 22nd Jan 2010 16:49
maybe he's lurking and just reading the answers?



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Posted: 22nd Jan 2010 17:00
So you are alive! lol

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Posted: 22nd Jan 2010 22:20
Two years ago, when I was a 'noob' (I'm still a noob, BTW I hate that word), I've tried to recreate the whole Nova Prospekt Jail seen in Half Life 2, but I've never made it...

Please apologize my bad english, I'm French.

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Posted: 22nd Jan 2010 22:31
Quote: "Two years ago, when I was a 'noob' (I'm still a noob, BTW I hate that word), I've tried to recreate the whole Nova Prospekt Jail seen in Half Life 2, but I've never made it..."

lol, yes. I have tried a lot of stuff. Ravenholm, God of War scenes and that kinda stuff, when I was a "noob" at game designing.

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Posted: 22nd Jan 2010 22:38
Quote: "lol, yes. I have tried a lot of stuff. Ravenholm, God of War scenes and that kinda stuff, when I was a "noob" at game designing."


Reminds me of the time when I tried re-creating the Spencer Mansion from the original R.E. game, lol. I thought I did a pretty decent job at it, and that was back in V1.07.

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Posted: 29th Jan 2010 11:14
I work in our warrant office in our jail. look up durham county jail on google maps and you can see how a fairly recient looking jail will look like, atleast on the outside . Of coarse not all counties are the same. I see you said this will be a prison, but if you ever decide to a jail, there ya go.


Durham County Jail
219 S Mangum St Durham NC

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