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DarkBASIC Professional Discussion / Why can't I get a response?

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bruceatk
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Posted: 10th Sep 2003 04:24 Edited at: 10th Sep 2003 21:47
On 8/27 I purchased DarkBasic Pro, of course my money was taken immediately. I have sent several e-mails to [email protected] and all I get is some canned messages
Quote: "Hi,
Thanks for contacting us. We will reply at the earliest opportunity. We are receiving a high amount of emails at the moment but endeavour to reply to each and every one. Thank you for your patience.
Regards,
Chris Jones"


Nobody is that busy. I have about 7 or 8 of those. For it to take 2 weeks to receive it in this day and age is unbelieveable. Right now all I'm asking for is a shipping date.

Bruce
andrew11
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Posted: 10th Sep 2003 04:35
Um... Darkbasic.com is the old site. Try http://www.thegamecreators.com/?m=contact.

Also, it can take two weeks or more to come.

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Posted: 10th Sep 2003 04:41
Bruce are you here in the states? If im not mistaken all orders are shipped from their home offices in the uk. That could explain the delay. Im sure they arent trying to screw you on purpose, so you dont have to worry about that.

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Richard Davey
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Posted: 10th Sep 2003 04:46
Who the hell is Chris Jones? I work for the company and have never heard of the guy and have no idea why you're getting messages from him.

Bruce - email me directly ([email protected]) with a copy of your PayPal receipt and I'll find out when your package shipped.

Cheers,

Rich

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bruceatk
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Posted: 10th Sep 2003 05:03 Edited at: 10th Sep 2003 05:07
Ok, I've sent it. I am in the states and I figured it would take 2 to 3 weeks to get it. I didn't think it would take 2 to 3 weeks to be told when it would be shipped.

Here is an excerpt from the paypal receipt

Quote: "
Business Information

Business: The Game Creators Ltd
Contact E-Mail: [email protected]

If you have questions about the shipping and tracking of your purchased item or service, please contact The Game Creators Ltd at [email protected].

"


Thanks, for the quick response.
Bruce
Richard Davey
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Posted: 10th Sep 2003 05:07
I will look out for your email and in the meantime check to see if the support email address is stuck on an auto-responder or something.

Cheers,

Rich

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Ian T
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Posted: 10th Sep 2003 06:28
Perhaps Chris Jones worked for the hosting of the old addressess or somesuch? I dunno... seems funny

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Posted: 10th Sep 2003 20:39
Quote: "of course my money was taken immediately"


Naturally

Quote: "Who the hell is Chris Jones? "


My thoughts also. Seems you may have been emailing the wrong guy?

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bruceatk
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Posted: 10th Sep 2003 21:44 Edited at: 10th Sep 2003 21:46
Well Richard Davey has taken care of me. Thanks, Rich.

All I wanted to know was that my order was processed. For whatever reason I never received any e-mails from "thegamecreators.com" or "darkbasic.com". I only received one e-mail from PayPal. Everytime I would send a request for info. I would get an e-mail from someplace in the UK with a different domain name then either of those above. I cut and pasted the e-mail address from the PayPal e-mail so I know it was correct. I'm guessing that the UK response that I posted in my first e-mail is a result of the various viruses that people have been getting. I have made tracks and utilities for Motocross Madness 2 for years and my e-mail address is used as the from address all the time.

For whatever reason it seems that I never got a response until Rich's and the other e-mail's are just a strange coincidence.

Bruce
orv
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Posted: 10th Sep 2003 21:54
I just ordered DBP and I had the same problem as bruceatk had. I emailed the address on the Paypal sight regarding when my stuff would ship, I got nothing. I went to this sight to the contact section and posted a msg with my email address, I got nothing, I waited a few days and sent an email to the address on the site and have recieved nada so far.

I am no longer stressed out cause my wife called me from home and told me my pkg had arrived! I went home and began to play! But I wonder if there is a problem with DB's mail server?!?

At least I know now that I can use the forum which is not mail server dependent!
bruceatk
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Posted: 10th Sep 2003 23:53
My wife just handed me a package containing DB Pro. I've installed it, upgraded it, and it's working fine. I did need to upgrade my video driver. I have an ATI Radeon 9000 and my drivers were 6.14.01.6255. DBPro worked fine until I upgraded it and then it wouldn't run any of the examples. I reinstalled Directx 9.0b and it didn't fix it. I then went and got the latest drivers from ATI and it fixed it. I haven't had any other problems with running games with my other drivers. I had the same problem with the demo.

I'm not sure what DBPro is doing that it didn't work with the version of drivers that I had installed, but maybe it should be fixed so that it isn't that sensitive. I currently use FS 2004 and Nascar 2003 Seasons without problems both of which use DX9.

Definitely it would be nice to smooth out the purchase side of things. Here are my expectations when I purchase something in today's environment.

1. Shortly (less than an hour) after purchasing I receive an e-mail that my order has been received.
2. I receive an e-mail giving me details about the shipping date and potential delivery estimate (hopefully the e-mail arrives less than 24 hours after purchasing). It's even better if that information is available before clicking buy.
3. E-mail doesn't go unanswered for days/weeks at a time.

Again I'd like to thank Rich for spending the time to help me out.

Bruce
Preston C
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Posted: 11th Sep 2003 01:48
Hey Rich, whens my copy going to get here?

*Me is impatiently bouncing about the walls waiting for it to arrive*

The order was made by my mom, Barbara Chaderton. Could ya check, or do you need that paypal receipt? Because I dont have it


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Posted: 11th Sep 2003 12:37
Patience is a virtue...


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Richard Davey
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Posted: 11th Sep 2003 15:13
Here is what happens when someone orders:

1) You receive a payment receipt instantly from either share-it or paypal, this is your confirmation the order was paid for successfully and is in the system
2) When the order is added to our orders database you receive a second email informing of the estimated delivery time. If the order was electronic you receive the serial number / exes files at this point.
3) The package arrives.

Quote: "details about the shipping date and potential delivery estimate It's even better if that information is available before clicking buy."


It is. See the text on the page where you pick your payment method - that has estimated delivery times, etc. We cannot force people to read it, but it's there

Quote: "E-mail doesn't go unanswered for days/weeks at a time."


When we actually get it (and not some guy called chris jones!) we reply. It's around 4-5 days at the moment due to the volume of mail we get.

Cheers,

Rich

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bruceatk
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Posted: 12th Sep 2003 05:06 Edited at: 12th Sep 2003 05:07
The reason I'm making the suggestions is because #2 didn't happen.

The page describing the delivery estimate is static. It does not reflect the reality of whether or not you actually have one in stock to ship or when the actual ship date will be. So a delivery estimate on an unknown ship date is worthless. Especially when #2 doesn't happen.

I don't believe that 4 to 5 days is acceptable in todays environment and even that response time didn't happen in my case until you got involved.

I have never purchased anything that took so long, with so little information on it's status flowing my way.

I have my copy now so I'm happy.

Thanks,
Bruce
Richard Davey
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Posted: 12th Sep 2003 05:18
The problem is that number 2 *did* happen, it happens automatically. We cannot turn off the email that is sent, it just goes out. The fact you didn't receive it was the problem, not the fact this stage was missed out. Other than sending repeat emails there's no avoiding this. Quite often spam filters delete our emails and sometimes people use services like MailBlocks (which our automated system cannot self-approve).

We always have stock of all our products, so that isn't an issue. As for the shipping date, you're right we don't inform of that and without the ability to track a package anyway it's of limited value. The cost of sending items via trackable means is high and would add significantly to our product prices, which is why we don't do it. It ought to be an option though and it will be in the future.

The problem is most people just don't expect the items to ship from the UK, but they do and this adds delay no matter what method is used.

Quote: "I don't believe that 4 to 5 days is acceptable in todays environment"


It says clearly to expect this long. Forewarned is forearmed and all that. It's a realistic timescale given the volume of mail we get.

Quote: "even that response time didn't happen in my case until you got involved."


Probably because only 1 of the emails sent got here? Looking at the logs I can see that the rest of your enquiries were answered within 24 hours, if I could control them all I would, but there's only so many hours in a day. Roll-on more support staff!

Cheers,

Rich

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orv
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Posted: 12th Sep 2003 20:47
#2 never happened for me either. Maybe #2 is SUPPOSED to happen but didn't. I'm going to go back through all my email and check again.

Maybe that email is in an electronic mailbag dumped behind the house of an electronic postman who tossed it there because he's busy playing with his own copy of Dark Basic!

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