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BatVink
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Posted: 12th Sep 2003 16:34
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Please don't shoot...just an observation.

Is there a new policy on locking threads of late? There seems to be a lot of it going on. Granted, in some cases it's necessary (questions in Code Snippets for example), but others seem to be rather snappy decisions. "2 years and a day" was locked and posts deleted. "Price List" was deemed irrelevant, even though it was in General Talk. Others have apparently "run their course". Surely a thread runs it course it's own way, that's how Forums work.

Like I say, just an observation. If it's a new policy to raise the bar, fair enough. But I'd love to know!

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Posted: 12th Sep 2003 16:54
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"2 years and a day" was highly borderline to say the least. Geri's post proclaiming Osama Bin Laden as a "hero" was nothing more than troll and flamebait and I have no wish to see it get discussed here, it is utterly irrelevant. I would have left your final post in if it hadn't quoted him, I left the original even though it's not really relevant to this forum or our web site.

"Price List" was advertising warez (sorry, but ripped off PSX roms is warez, no matter how you put it). This is against the AUP.

Threads older than 30 days are auto-locked to save on old chestnuts being regurgitated.

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Posted: 12th Sep 2003 17:14 Edited at: 12th Sep 2003 17:15
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No problem...how did Geri get back in anyway?

...and where does your artwork come from Rich? Your avatars are always eye-catching.

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Posted: 12th Sep 2003 17:54
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I noticed that you fixed the titles, I wonder then why mine still sayes User (joke)?


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Posted: 12th Sep 2003 18:39
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NYFD is also another candidate that could be locked - its over, so there isn't much else to discuss.


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Posted: 12th Sep 2003 18:48
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'Your avatars are always eye-catching.'

Agreed


While I'm sure most of the people here don't mind patriotism and might gain strength from talking about certain events with others, the simple fact is that the members of this forum come from a diverse selection of countries all around the world, and have their own beliefs, religions, and political standings. While we generally get along all right, starting a politically related thread is like shooting a bazooka at an oil tank.

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Posted: 12th Sep 2003 19:32
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Ohh, crud, sorry Falelorn - I hope I wasn't the only one involved in getting your thread locked, I can't really remember what I posted - but I should know better than to post my political views here.

Sincerest appologies to all.


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Posted: 12th Sep 2003 19:41
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What I don't understand was why the NYFD thread was threatened to be locked, What did NWC Omega say now? I didn't see it? I only started the thread as a way to pay respect to people who died, and the next thing I know it's ready to be locked. And what's the big deal if a thread (in the General area, mind you) gets political? Isn't this what the general area is for?? It seems that the mods use their mod power to lock/delete threads at will, when they don't personally agree with the topic, not caring if the thread follows the forum rules. There are plenty of other threads that are pointless that have been allowed to go on indefinitely (ie @Randi) I guess in that particular case the Mods want to see randi in her underpants also - hence the thread lives.

Moderate the forums however you deem fit, and I will follow all of the rules, but please be consistent.
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Posted: 12th Sep 2003 19:56
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Randi's thread isn't political flamebait. If you don't see why political threads should be locked, I can safely say you haven't any idea how nasty they can get. They bring out the worst in everyone, nobody ever convinces anybody of anything, friendships get broken and a quantity of users leave never to be seen again.

They should be locked before they get nasty, that's simply the way of things in online forums not devoted to that purpose .

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Posted: 12th Sep 2003 20:05
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Quote: "Isn't this what the general area is for??"


Within reason, yes. No matter what "general talk" might mean the fact still remains that if the topic is against our AUP, contains obvious/blatant troll/flamebaiting or is just against the views held by our company then we will lock or remove it.

This web site and forum is the property of The Game Creators and we can lock and remove threads as we see fit without justification, prior warning or explanation no matter how inconsistent the action seems I'm afraid.

If Randi wants to complain about that thread, we'd take action against it also.

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Posted: 12th Sep 2003 20:20
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This forum is absolutely nothing compared to the music forums I visit! Bwahaha. The cencorship policy here is about as restrictive as a pair of clown shoes. There's not many forums where you can diss the product they're selling and rant and rave about problems with it and how you think its crap, and still not receive some kind of cencorship.

I'm very very touchy about threads being locked, and this forum has never stuck me as being a harsh forum for cencorship. If this was like some of the other forums I visit, this thread would've been locked and deleted just for questioning the staff in the first place.

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Posted: 12th Sep 2003 21:11
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@Rich: I understand

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Quote: "They bring out the worst in everyone, nobody ever convinces anybody of anything, friendships get broken and a quantity of users leave never to be seen again"


If that's the case then the users who leave had no reason to be here in the first place, and the friendships were never really freindships at all. This is a community to discuss DBC/DBP and whatever else we like. As the policy states, if TGC wants to remove a thread for whatever reason then they can, and that's fine, but the logic that censorship somehow makes or breaks the community doesn't really make sense - does it?

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Posted: 12th Sep 2003 21:39
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I don't believe censorship helps a community grow, but at the same time I have to draw the line against warez and "Osama is a hero" threads. They just stir-up too much angst and negative feelings to be worth letting run their course.

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Posted: 12th Sep 2003 21:49
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@Rich: I agree totally - there is a line that needs to be drawn at some point to keep order and rule.

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Rich, why are all 9/11 topics deemed irrelevant? Irrelevant to what? Just curious, because I know it's been said a thousand times but this IS general talk.

And I'm curious, if someone says something stupid in a thread, why lock the entire thing when you can just catch it in its tracks and delete the message?

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Posted: 13th Sep 2003 02:37
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Quote: "Rich, why are all 9/11 topics deemed irrelevant? Irrelevant to what? Just curious, because I know it's been said a thousand times but this IS general talk."


I generally deem them irrelevant - its all been and gone now. Therefore there isn't anything to talk about.


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Quote: "And I'm curious, if someone says something stupid in a thread, why lock the entire thing when you can just catch it in its tracks and delete the message?"


It depends. If the message has been there for a long time before a mod "catches" it, and the post turns into a pile of cinders, then it might as well be locked. If we see the message as soon as it has been posted, we can delete it.


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Posted: 13th Sep 2003 03:41
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Just a side thought - is tca a "mini me" of one of the MODS
Always seems to answer for (and ahead of) a mod, but then when the mod answers, the mod's points are so much more valid and realistic than TCA's - just curious what TCA's relationship is to TGC?

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Posted: 13th Sep 2003 04:15 Edited at: 13th Sep 2003 04:15
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Well it says "Moderator" below TCA's name so I guess he's a moderator.

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looks like i missed out on something trivial

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How could you miss out when the entire conversation is just a mouse-scroll away?

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I understand and partialy agree with the thread being locked. And im fine with you guys locking/deleting whatever you want, its your forum.
Just wondering tho (im new here), did my reply have anything to do with your decision to delete it?

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Quote: "- its all been and gone now. Therefore there isn't anything to talk about."


i strongly disagree, and hope im misunderstanding this statement.
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Posted: 13th Sep 2003 07:32 Edited at: 13th Sep 2003 07:32
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Im not sure why my 2 YEars and a Day thread was locked.

The idiots who posted flames and hurtful opinions should have just been deleted.

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Quote: "just curious what TCA's relationship is to TGC"

None, execpt to bug Lee with bug reports.


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Quote: "Always seems to answer for (and ahead of) a mod"

Way to much of a generalisation there - aside from the proceeding quote, name other times when I have answered before Richard.

I wasn't actually answering for Rich - should have edited it bit - but I felt the quote needed a mention in case it stemmed from my previous posts.


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The "2 years and a day" post itself was fine, however, I have seen several other forums where a post like that which had purely innocent intentions turned into a flamewar.

It's a sad fact of life but it happens.

Having said that, I personally prefer to delete offending posts in the thread rather than locking it if possible.


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Quote: "Rich, why are all 9/11 topics deemed irrelevant? Irrelevant to what?"


This is not a forum for political debate and ultimately that is what those threads descend into. I kept the feelings of the original poster in mind by leaving their entry intact and locked it when I could have removed it entirely. Our whole web site and company is about making games, don't loose sight of that.

Quote: "I know it's been said a thousand times but this IS general talk."


And it IS our site. See my post above for clarification on this as I've already explained it once and don't see the need to repeat myself. Everything has limits.

Quote: "Im not sure why my 2 YEars and a Day thread was locked."


Because as harmless as it was meant, it stirred up trouble. The topic itself being the catalyst for this. If you need to discuss it that badly there are hundreds of forums dedicated to it.

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Ok thanks for reply Rich, I understand. And as stated it was ment as a innocent view, and that others had (tho I never got a chance to read) turned it into a political debate.

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Yeah, thanks, I was just curious.

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Quote: "and that others had (tho I never got a chance to read) turned it into a political debate.
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Falelorn, you were just unfortunate to catch the attention of someone who posted a very off-beat comment. I haven't seen him/her post since, probably banned again for the umpteenth time.

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Geri? just a shot in the dark, but that name seems to be a trouble maker (if my memory is on par) if not sorry, I appologize.

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Maybe you're thinking of Tom and Geri. Yes, Geri is a trouble maker, he'll never let that cat eat him. Always hitting him with pans, and blowing him up.



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Yea, 9/11 posts I rather just have locked right away. You never know where they'll lead.



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LOL Yellow

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Quote: "Yea, 9/11 posts I rather just have locked right away. You never know where they'll lead."
Agreed, it always leads to Bush's tactics on terrorism and Iraq, which is chalked full of nastiness just waiting to get out. Need I remind us of the legendary Flamewar, The Elimenation of Evil thread?


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OK _ IF THIS THREAD ISN'T LOCKED DUE TO WHAT ARROW SAID THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS POLITICAL OR NOT

consistency?

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No, read Arrows post carefully and you can distinguish from where the "political" element stopped. He said "it always leads to Bush's tactics on terrorism and Iraq" - which he is right about, it does. Then he said "which is chalked full of nastiness" - talking about peoples comments on the subject are always full of flame bait and angst. Which, he is right about! He was not saying Bush is chalked full of nastiness - which you I assume thought he did. There is a subtle but very blatant difference.

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I'm all about subtlety.


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